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Bishops Announce Unprecedented Massive Catholic Opposition to Obamacare
Creative Minority Report ^ | 10-29-09 | Matt Archbold

Posted on 10/29/2009 1:00:21 PM PDT by marcbold

Wow! This is big news. For months the bishops have been threatening to oppose the healthcare legislation as long as it included abortion funding. But I didn't expect this. Wonderful news. Catholic.org reports:

An E-mail directive has been sent from the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops Pro-Life Activities Secretariat mobilizing every parish in the United States of America. It contains an urgent message which is to be distributed in every parish this weekend and announced at every single Mass. This massive and urgent appeal may be unprecedented in our history as Catholics in America. It is an effort to mobilize the Catholic faithful on an urgent matter of public policy concerning the fundamental and foundational human right to life.

The E-Mail specifically asks that no parish opt out of this initiative.

The bishops are urging all parishes to insert a document into all parish bulletins across the country. The pdf of the file is here.

The text reads:USCCB NATIONWIDE BULLETIN INSERT

Tell Congress: Remove Abortion Funding & Mandates from Needed Health Care Reform

Congress is preparing to debate health care reform legislation on the House and Senate floors.

Genuine health care reform should protect the life and dignity of all people from the moment of conception until natural death. The U.S. bishops’ conference has concluded that all committee approved bills are seriously deficient on the issues of abortion and conscience, and do not provide adequate access to health care for immigrants and the poor. The bills will have to change or the bishops have pledged to oppose them.

Our nation is at a crossroads. Policies adopted in health care reform will have an impact for good or ill for years to come...

“No one should be required to pay for or participate in abortion...

(Excerpt) Read more at creativeminorityreport.com ...


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1 posted on 10/29/2009 1:00:22 PM PDT by marcbold
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To: NYer

Ping


2 posted on 10/29/2009 1:04:00 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: marcbold; all the best
The E-Mail specifically asks that no parish opt out of this initiative. The bishops are urging all parishes to insert a document into all parish bulletins across the country. The pdf of the file is here.

The text reads:USCCB NATIONWIDE BULLETIN INSERT

Tell Congress: Remove Abortion Funding & Mandates from Needed Health Care Reform

Hey knuckleheads! Tell Congress: Remove Health Care Reform!

Show me just one Catholic bishop who will speak up against coveting your neighbors’ goods. That is why Catholics ignored the Bishops on abortion. They know abortion is wrong but overlooked the Dems on that point because those same politicians pandered to their covetousness. Same for protestants and evangelical pastors, leaders and activists. American politics and government at all levels is driven by government-mediated coveting. Until the Church takes a stand against this we can expect to sink deeper and deeper into socialism and, oh yeah, abortion.

FReeper all the best, November 5, 2008.


4 posted on 10/29/2009 1:07:51 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him" - Job 13:15)
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To: marcbold

The Catholic Church leadership is abhorent. They are right on this by accident, but right none the less.

Even a blind squirl finds a nut now and then.


5 posted on 10/29/2009 1:13:07 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Government For the People - an obviously concealed oxymoron)
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To: SJSAMPLE; Alex Murphy

Ya know...I have always thought that you guys, especially Alex Murphy, were probably alienated former Catholics who were so PO’ed they spent most of their time attacking the Church. And that may be the truth.

But why don’t you go for something positive? Many bishops in the US have spoken out against the very concept of the government controlling what are referred to as “life decisions” (birth and death), and they have obviously managed to strong-arm their weaker brethren into doing at least this much.

Condemn what is bad. But encourage what is good. Unless, of course, your whole project is hatred of the Catholic Church, in which case maybe you should go back to the Jack Chick Comic Book Circle.


6 posted on 10/29/2009 1:14:50 PM PDT by livius
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To: Alex Murphy

They keep telling us that this church (and others) are not preaching socialism from the pulpits, but their own press releases make it clear.

Once the abortion issue is off the table, they’re gonna have to answer some REAL questions.


8 posted on 10/29/2009 1:22:15 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: libstripper

It works only if Pelosi goes all in on abortion.
If she and Obammy cave, then you’ve got some Bishops on record supporting Obamacare because they’ve got the only thing they’ve requested.

What about the other issues?
Now they’re on record as being FOR those other things.

Win or not, it proves a point about these Bishops and the leanings of this church.


11 posted on 10/29/2009 1:26:49 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Houghton M.

It’s because the real issue here is not abortion, healthcare or Obama. It’s that we all recognize how clever and on the money Tenacious is. The actual issues, the outcomes do not matter as long as prejudices are advanced.


12 posted on 10/29/2009 1:30:49 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: marcbold

obamacare must include the bomb- the legislation he promised to NARAL when he was campaigning.

No opt-out of abortions for reasons of conscience..

Any provider (Dr, nurse, hospital) that treats fed patients or receives any govt funding - must abort on demand.


13 posted on 10/29/2009 1:33:50 PM PDT by silverleaf (Ours is the only country on earth with a ventriloquist dummy for President)
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To: silverleaf

Hey folks, you need the Catholics on board against Obamacare.

You should be thanking your lucky stars that we are on board, rather than trashing us for our opposition to abortion. Do you want to lose and get Obamacare? Please. I know there are folks who are pro abortion and against Obamacare, but I’ll take their support in a common clause. We both have the same enemy here, so lets defeat him on Obamacare.


15 posted on 10/29/2009 1:40:36 PM PDT by BenKenobi
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To: marcbold; AngelesCrestHighway; NoObamaFightForConservatives; AuH2ORepublican; wtc911; tcrlaf; ...
This massive and urgent appeal
may be unprecedented
in our history as Catholics in America.
It is an effort to mobilize the Catholic faithful
on an urgent matter of public policy
concerning the fundamental and foundational
human right to life.

This Bishops' statement on Health Care Reform is to be be printed or hand-stuffed in every parish bulletin and/or distributed in pews or at ALL church entrances THIS SUNDAY.

The message is to be announced at all Masses THIS SUNDAY.

The following petition is to be used in the Prayer of the Faithful at all Masses THIS SUNDAY:

That Congress will act to ensure that needed health care reform will truly protect the life, dignity and health care of all and that we will raise our voices to protect the unborn and the most vulnerable and to preserve our freedom of conscience. We pray to the Lord.


Action


Health care reform could be voted on as early as next week. These materials need to be in the hands of Catholics starting this weekend. Thank you for your efforts in getting the word out.


Note: I'm, personally, not interested in a lot of chat about "This isn't the exact message I would have chosen" or "This isn't the proven best tactic" or "Why didn't they do this two months ago" or "The USCCB sucks moldy citrus" or "Why doesn't the Pope excommunicate ... followed by a list the length of the Boston phone directory and bolding your own particular favorites.

The fact is, if 1/10 of the Catholics (joined by 1/10 of the non-Catholic pro-life people) act on this, it will

BLAST AWAY THIS BLASTED BOGUS HEALTH REFORM BILL.
Why?

Because if a Life/Conscience amendment is demanded by, oh, say, 6 - 10 million voters, and the ghastly Madame Pelosi blocks it from going to a floor vote, people will raise holy hell and the center-right section of Dems in the House will revolt and kill the bill.

If a Life/Concience amendment is, in fact, brought up, it will pass and the Left will kill the bill.

Thus saith Mrs. Don-o. Please act, please make this as big as possible as fast as possible.

If you wish to be removed from my Ping List, please PERSONAL MESSAGE ME. I'm asking for PERSONAL MESSAGE so I see it and act on it promptly.

Thank you.

16 posted on 10/29/2009 1:42:55 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (It's not like a box of chocolates.. more like a jar of jalapenos, It could burn your butt tomorrow.)
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To: marcbold
Tell Congress: Remove Abortion Funding & Mandates from Needed Health Care Reform

What happens if it does get pulled? Do they then support it?

I think the illegal immigrant issue is being pulled and they are just trusting prior court precedent requiring them to be covered will put it back in after the fact. I wouldn't put it past the Rats to try the same two step with abortion.

17 posted on 10/29/2009 1:45:20 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

bump


18 posted on 10/29/2009 2:05:35 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: SJSAMPLE

That is not going to be off the table because it is an essential part of the Obama agenda. Eventually many bishops are gojng to realize that the Democratic Party is anti-Catholic. One problem is that Nancy Pelosi and the other pro-abort Catholics did not get her false notions about Church teachings out of the air but from bishops/clerics who have not been true to Church teachings.


19 posted on 10/29/2009 2:22:11 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Tenacious 1

“What are our dear Bishops going to do when the government takes government funding of abortions out of the bill? They will support it.”

Fault them then for that. The fact remains that their opposition is not accidental.

I said the bishops are stupid politically. If abortion funding were taken out of Obamacare and they support it (which is likely, I agree), they’d be stupid.

Their stupidity has and will cost us dearly.

But this was not accidental. It’s the very principle that will save us. They may be stupid politically but they are right and principled theologically.

They realize that as long as one favors legalized abortion one cannot be working for the common good.

The Democrats have made legalized abortion the hill on which they will die.

Thank God that the bishops have a theological, principled moral center. If the Democrats continue on this trajectory, the Democrats’ principled, die-hard pro-abortion stupidity may prove the means by which the bishops finally wean themselves from Democratitis in general. A new generation of bishops will help.

I am sorry I misunderstood your post. Perhaps it’s because you wrote it misunderstoodably. You wrote that it’s accidental that they oppose Obamacare.

That’s just plain false.

If you meant that their opposition to Obamacare is a “double-effect” of their opposition to abortion, you could have written that.

“Accidental” however denies them any moral credit for their stand. And that’s wrong. In this instance, despite their other stupidities, they are morally creditable, particularly morally creditable because we both know they (stupidly) would like to support the rest of Obamacare.

Write precisely and you won’t be misunderstood.

And devout Catholics can readily fall into a knee-jerk anticlerical pettyness that is anti-Catholic. I have breakfast after Mass with a group of conservative Catholics who regularly fall into that trap.


20 posted on 10/29/2009 2:28:43 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

Nonsense. Gibberish.


22 posted on 10/29/2009 2:32:15 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: SJSAMPLE
It's not simply abortion,, it's the conscience clause too.
23 posted on 10/29/2009 2:43:51 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED
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To: Mrs. Don-o
And to think that I have been posting these links all along!

Bishops Announce Unprecedented Massive Catholic Opposition to Obamacare

Archbishop Charles Chaput on the Current Struggle Between Catholics and "Caesar"
The Bishop's Ax Falls on Obama. And on the Vatican Curia (bombshell article)
US Bishops: Heath Package Still Funding Abortions (Urge Congress to Keep Working)
Catholic Bishops Declare They Will ‘Vigorously’ Oppose Health Care Bill as It Now Stands
Bishops Restate Vow vs. Obamacare's Abortion

Important: US Bishops taking the gloves off on health care reform
BREAKING: Catholic Bishops On Health Care - Change Bills Or Else
U.S. bishops warn of vigorous opposition if Congress fails to fix health care bills
List: *41* Bishops against Obamacare (and counting!)
Bishop Murphy Issues Video Statement on Health Care Reform [Diocese of Rockville Centre]

Health Care Principles [Bishop Samuel Aquila, Fargo, ND]
Florida Bishop [Thomas Wenski] Weighs in on Health Care Reform
ObamaCare and Catholic social teaching [Bishop Neckless]
Some Catholic bishops question gov't health care
Boston’s Roman Catholic Cardinal Says He Confronted Obama about Abortion in Health Care Plan....

Iowa Bishop: Don’t Be Railroaded into the Current...Health Care Proposals
in a message issued by the Diocese of Sioux City (The Church on Universal Healthcare)
Nazi Health Care A Catholic Bishop Speaks Out Against "End of Life Care" (Germany, 1941)
Bishop Nickless: "No Health Care Reform is Better than the Wrong Health Care Reform"
Cardinal Rigali, Abp. Chaput Intensify Warnings Against Obamacare's Abortion Expansion

24 posted on 10/29/2009 3:02:23 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Thanks to netilsmom for the ping!


25 posted on 10/29/2009 3:06:33 PM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: wmfights
From what I've read, the bishops will not be placated with any half-measures regarding abortion. They want any health reform legislation to explicitly state that the government will not directly or indirectly pay for abortions. This will not happen — NARAL et all are much too strong — so they bishops will oppose Obamacare.

As a libertarian Catholic, I am exasperated by about 95% of what the USCCB does. However, I think the bishops — for motives that may range from noble to pragmatic to suspect, but who cares about their motives, anyway? — are going to stand firm on this one.

26 posted on 10/29/2009 3:17:50 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: Tenacious 1

The American Bishops sold out long ago, but since our new Pope there has been a resurgence of conservative viewpoints. I cannot even defend my own Bishop, but I will defend the faith. Don’t label all of us.


28 posted on 10/29/2009 3:20:26 PM PDT by tioga
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To: livius
I think you were just Swarzeneggered.

Wot
A
Riot

=

WAR.

;)

30 posted on 10/29/2009 3:27:40 PM PDT by Lorica
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To: livius
Are you a former Catholic? If not, why do you love/hate the Church so much? Normally this is the province only of former Catholics - or non-Catholics thinking about converting.

What makes you think I love/hate the [Catholic] Church so much?

31 posted on 10/29/2009 4:01:54 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him" - Job 13:15)
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To: Alex Murphy

You wouldn’t hate the Church so much if you didn’t love her.

People who don’t care - well, they simply don’t care. You care.


32 posted on 10/29/2009 4:16:04 PM PDT by livius
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To: SJSAMPLE
Just my opinion, but as a long-time observer I'd hazard a guess that Pelosi and Obama will NOT cave on abortion; because if they do, the Left will abandon the current legislation.

I reckon that if the pro-life church people unite on this, we could sink the HealthScam for another decade, if not another generation (in politics nothing is forever.)

If 1/10 of the Catholics (joined by 1/10 of the non-Catholic pro-life people) act on this, it will

BLAST AWAY THIS BLASTED BOGUS HEALTH REFORM BILL.
Why?

Because if a Life/Conscience amendment is demanded by, oh, say, 6 - 10 million voters, and the ghastly Madame Pelosi blocks it from going to a floor vote, people will raise holy hell and the center-prolife-BlueDog section of Dems in the House will revolt and kill the bill.

If a Life/Conscience amendment is, in fact, brought up, it will pass and the Left will kill the bill.

33 posted on 10/29/2009 4:22:18 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (It's not like a box of chocolates.. more like a jar of jalapenos, It could burn your butt tomorrow.)
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To: livius
You wouldn’t hate the Church so much if you didn’t love her. People who don’t care - well, they simply don’t care. You care.

And again with this "I hate the Church so much" stuff.

Show me - cite the posts, provide the links - where I hate the Church.

34 posted on 10/29/2009 4:22:31 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him" - Job 13:15)
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To: utahagen
They want any health reform legislation to explicitly state that the government will not directly or indirectly pay for abortions.

I'm sorry, I think you missed my point. If the only objection they have is abortion what stops the Rats from pulling it and counting on the courts to reinsert it later after it's passed. They are taking the same approach to illegal immigrants. They pulled those provisions, but they know court precedent will require them to be covered.

As a libertarian Catholic...

Where's the liberty in the govt taking over health care and the individual losing the responsibility for their own life?

35 posted on 10/29/2009 4:29:04 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Salvation
You are doing a fantastic job.

I just called my pastor. He'd already heard from Bishop Stika in Knoxville.

Y'know, in some parishes this isn't going to make a bit of difference, but in some, people will take 'holt and run with it.

We may activate just the percent of active ingredients we need, and tip this dang boulder over the edge. By a milligram. By a whisker.

36 posted on 10/29/2009 4:34:51 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (It's not like a box of chocolates.. more like a jar of jalapenos, It could burn your butt tomorrow.)
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To: wmfights
I don't believe the rats will explicitly exempt abortion from coverage, which is what the bishops are demanding. Yes, the bishops will go along with anything when it comes to immigration, but I think they will oppose Obamacare.
37 posted on 10/29/2009 4:56:09 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: marcbold

I’ll be shocked if we actually have this mentioned at our parish.

Also, my bet, if it is mentioned, is that it will be framed in terms of retaining Catholic hospitals’ independence and as a part of vaguely supporting life as a seamless garment, from conception through natural death.

They’ll ask us to consider thoughtfully taking some action, and keeping this issue in our prayers.

I think my parish shies away from politics, as there are a wide spectrum of political opinions among the members, and also the pastor doesn’t want to endanger the tax exempt status of the parish (even though that is not affected by a legislative effort, as opposed to endorsing candidates.)

I’ll be interested to see how this plays out in real parishes.


38 posted on 10/29/2009 5:59:52 PM PDT by married21
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To: Houghton M.

Don’t neglect Confusion & Delay.


39 posted on 10/29/2009 7:13:28 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Abortion is a side issue for them.
Once they get the overall plan signed into law, they can add amendments to it all they want. This may be a deal breaker for some Catholics, but the left doesn’t give up and plays the game very well.


40 posted on 10/30/2009 5:21:01 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: livius; SJSAMPLE

Jack Chick materials are not allowed at all on the Religion Forum. Do not mention Chick in any context.


42 posted on 10/30/2009 5:47:08 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

Que?


43 posted on 10/30/2009 6:07:02 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: SJSAMPLE
You're quite right about the need to stop any and every health scam that makes its venomous appearance in Congress. Even if it had no content but the title, the Enemy would want it passed in order to fill in the blanks later via gambits, subterfuges and court orders.

The abortion issue gives us a tactical opportunity, however, to apply the breaks and then throw a spanner into the gearbox.

It's THE MAJOR dealbreaker for me (beinst I'm against murder, legalized murder, and extra-and-specially the compulsory subsidy of legalized murder.) But it's not the only dealbreaker--- not by a ong shot. 'Cause it's NO DEAL all the way.

44 posted on 10/30/2009 6:08:08 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (It's not like a box of chocolates.. more like a jar of jalapenos, It'll burn your butt tomorrow.)
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To: Alex Murphy; livius

livius said a “love/hate” relationship.

In the past 10 days, you have posted a total of 15 articles. Of those, 10 have been about Catholics or the Catholic Church. Evidently you are searching out articles about Catholics or the Church in order to post them.


45 posted on 10/30/2009 8:29:38 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: nanetteclaret; annalex
In the past 10 days, you have posted a total of 15 articles. Of those, 10 have been about Catholics or the Catholic Church. Evidently you are searching out articles about Catholics or the Church in order to post them.

It's called "discussing current news." A lot of that occurs on Free Republic - no reason why it shouldn't happen in the Religion Forum, too. The real issue is why is no one else posting these articles?

From a post of mine on February 20, 2007:

...I don't post "anti" threads. I post news and op-ed articles that have a culturally religious component - Catholic, Protestant, Mormon, etc - just about anything that strikes me as worthy of intelligent discussion (UFOs, anyone?). Since the Catholic Church is the single largest denominational body in the US, you'd expect that they would produce the single largest number of news articles per religious group. If posting news articles is being contentious, then I suggest that Catholics persuade their priests and bishops to stop putting themselves in the news, and stop bashing the messenger when there's something to post.
And from May 22, 2008
IMO most people don't take notice of threads in the Religion Forum unless a) it was posted by someone they know, or b) THEIR beliefs are mentioned in the thread title. Case in point - you thought I was a "weird disgruntled Catholic." I'd bet most Catholics on FR never noticed the many threads I posted about the Calvinists, the Baptists, the Dispensationalists, the Mormons, or the Swedenborgites. They're out there - you probably just didn't notice them.
"That’s what FR is for, posting articles for discussion, on topics of interest to the poster. We have a lively Religion forum in great part thanks to Alex."
-- annalex, May 12, 2009.
46 posted on 10/30/2009 8:40:26 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him" - Job 13:15)
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To: Religion Moderator

My apologies! I thought that was meant in jest.


47 posted on 10/30/2009 8:42:41 AM PDT by livius
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To: SJSAMPLE

My apologies!


48 posted on 10/30/2009 8:44:23 AM PDT by livius
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To: Alex Murphy; nanetteclaret

I stand by those comments of mine. I think it is very good for people of all religious persuasions to pay close attention to the Catholic Church and seek to discuss the developments in that arena with others.

The Catohlics should welcome critical attention given them. It is a good sign.


49 posted on 10/30/2009 10:21:45 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Alex Murphy

Like I said, of the 15 you posted in the last 10 days, 10 were about Catholics. That’s just the facts.

Oh, and you did manage to post a really bizarre article, which claims the appearances at Fatima were actually UFOs, so I guess that falls under the heading of “Catholic” as well as “other.”


50 posted on 10/30/2009 10:24:54 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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