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1 posted on 11/02/2009 3:53:33 PM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 11/02/2009 3:54:12 PM PST by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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The idea that a Prince of the Church would think that a doctrine would need to be invented to ease the suffering of those who have lost a loved one is incredible.

Did Jesus ease the minds of the brothers of the rich man across the great gulf?

Does the Bible not say that whoever adds anything to the Bible will have the curses of the Bible added unto him?

Dangerous ground to be treading.

5 posted on 11/02/2009 4:27:54 PM PST by wbarmy (Hard core, extremist, and right-wing is a little too mild for my tastes.)
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Ratzinger stated: "Limbo was never a defined truth of faith. Personally—and here I am speaking more as a theologian and not as Prefect of the Congregation—I would abandon it since it was only a theological hypothesis. It formed part of a secondary thesis in support of a truth which is absolutely of first significance for faith, namely, the importance of baptism. To put it in the words of Jesus to Nicodemus: "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God"

I think catholics are fairly clear why evangelicals do not believe in purgatory. More likely non-catholics are unclear why catholics "do" believe in it.

For the sake of evangelicals a bit more explanation about the origin of the doctrine of purgatory might be interesting.

No one is going to change anyone's mind, probably, but it helps to know where your brother is coming from on a given issue.

Ratzinger is first rate, by the way.

7 posted on 11/02/2009 4:35:56 PM PST by marron
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Interesting. All of Orthodoxy and Oriental Orthodoxy pray for the dead and none of us believe in purgatory. Several hundred million Christians praying for the dead and yet not believing in purgatory would seem to put the lie to any notion that a belief in purgatory is the sine qua non of a belief in the efficacy of prayers for the dead.


8 posted on 11/02/2009 5:07:56 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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