To: NYer; redgolum; Mr Rogers
Not a completely correct debate. As the article points out, the Lutherans do pray for the dead (Red, is the article correct?) and I'm pretty sure Anglicans do as well. Baptists, I don't know -- Mr. R, what's the norm for Baptists on this? Calvinists, Presbyterians as the article points out, definitely NOT, but what about Methodists?
secondly, it's more correctly an Apostolic Church belief, not just Catholic -- our Orthodox, Coptic, Armenian and Assyrian and Syriac brethern would also have similar beliefs as us CAtholics with regards to praying for the departed.
posted on 11/03/2009 4:30:57 AM PST
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Baptist doctrine in the US is principally derived from Calvinism. This is particularly true in the north, where there is little distinction in doctrine from Reform churches.
Very crudely, and by no means universally, Baptists tend to track Calvinism in all doctines of salvation except predestination through foreordination, where Baptists are frequently more Arminian and thus more evangelical in focus and practice. Nevertheless, there are many Baptist believers and congregations which are decidedly Calvinist, and differ from Reform belief only on doctrines of baptism and church governance.
I am a Baptist, have known a fair number of Baptist pastors, been friends with most of them, and listened to many more. Not one has advocated or condoned intercessory prayers for the dead, that I have heard. The doctrine is rejected, rather strongly in many instances.
posted on 11/03/2009 5:23:50 AM PST
by Psalm 144
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The Lutheran view of the Communion of Saints isn't like the Catholic view. Most synods do not have any sort of intercessory prayer for the dead, and we don't “pray to” saints. We believe that once you die on this earth, you will be judged. And that judgment is personal (in other words I can not have someone still on earth try to get me out on their own petitions).
We do believe that those saints pray for us (as stated in Revelation).
Some of the Scandinavian and African synods are a bit different.
posted on 11/03/2009 4:53:52 PM PST
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