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ELCA will not allow synods to maintain traditional standards
Lutheran Core ^ | November 02, 2009 | David Baer

Posted on 11/03/2009 10:01:33 AM PST by rhema

ELCA synods will not have the option of upholding traditional Christian teaching on marriage and homosexuality in their standards for pastors and other rostered leaders according to a draft of candidacy rules released Oct. 10 by the ELCA churchwide organization.

No synod or bishop may make decisions on ministry standards that differ from the new policies of the ELCA churchwide organization as defined by the 2009 Churchwide Assembly, the policy draft explains. The ELCA now allows pastors and other rostered leaders to be in committed same-sex relationships.

“By the governing documents, all candidacy and call decisions are made on an individual basis, thus no body can make a blanket statement of approval or disapproval for a group of candidates. Nor can a body alter the policies which this church has accepted. However, a decision making body may express its general understanding of what will best serve the mission of Christ in the places and times for which they have decision making responsibility. No body can restrict the authority given to another by the governing documents. Thus, for example, a synod council cannot bind a synod call committee nor can a synod bind its congregations, but any of these entities may express convictions and preferences to the others,” the draft states.

The only option for a synod candidacy committee that wishes to uphold traditional standards for sexuality is to transfer a candidate to another ELCA synod. “There is local option on same-sex blessings — no congregation is to be forced to perform them (that is what the Assembly adopted; we will have to see how it develops). But ordination policy as proposed is, so far as I can see, tolerance as long as one does not obstruct. A synod could urge partnered gay and lesbian candidates to go somewhere else, but it could not outright refuse them,” the Rev. Dr. Michael Root of Lutheran Theological Southern Seminary wrote on the “Lutherans Persisting” blog.

The proposed standards suggest that those who believe in biblical standards for sexuality resign from synod candidacy committees: “Individuals who have a share in discernment and decision-making responsibility need to decide whether they can function in that role under the new policies.”

Professor Root and those participating in the discussion at Lutherans Persisting have traced the way the decisions on allowing pastors and other rostered leaders to be in same-sex relationships were transformed from the local option proposed by the Sexuality Task Force to indisputable change in ELCA policy by the ELCA Church Council.


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1 posted on 11/03/2009 10:01:33 AM PST by rhema
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To: lightman
Ichabod Synod ping


2 posted on 11/03/2009 10:02:48 AM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: rhema

Heh... who did not see this coming.


3 posted on 11/03/2009 10:04:37 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: rhema

Maybe they figure that decimating the ranks of the church - destroying it - is just as good as perverting it from within. so it’s a win-win for them.


4 posted on 11/03/2009 10:08:16 AM PST by cvq3842 (A fool and his liberty are soon parted.)
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To: rhema
This is why the Lutheran churches in my town have stopped sending money to the ELCA. Next step is leaving the organization.

People are asking, "Are you a sodomy or non-sodomy Lutheran?"

5 posted on 11/03/2009 10:08:17 AM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: rhema
ELCA synods will not have the option of upholding traditional Christian teaching.

I fixed it for them.

6 posted on 11/03/2009 10:10:31 AM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: rhema

So when the majority of Lutheran churches stop sending $$’s the synod will be stuck with their new rules and a few queer preachers?


7 posted on 11/03/2009 10:10:57 AM PST by Adder (Proudly ignoring Zero since 1-20-09!)
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To: All

Sodom Land.


8 posted on 11/03/2009 10:12:16 AM PST by rbmillerjr (It's us against them...the Establishment RINOs vs rank and file...Sarah Palin or bust)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

Good for them. Cut off the money to the sodomy church. This is all they understand.


9 posted on 11/03/2009 10:15:23 AM PST by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
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To: Adder

Amen brother. Cut off the cash is the name of the game.

Unfortunately we have to fight back against these devious creeps. It could be worse - they use to feed us to the lions. ;-)


10 posted on 11/03/2009 10:19:10 AM PST by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
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To: Frantzie

As I recall, didn’t one church sucessfully sue to retain their assets against the confiscation of the parent church? That would be a good sign for the flocks.


11 posted on 11/03/2009 10:20:09 AM PST by 50sDad (The Left cannot understand life is not in a test tube. Raise taxes, & jobs go away.)
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To: aberaussie; Aeronaut; aliquando; AlternateViewpoint; AnalogReigns; Archie Bunker on steroids; ...


Lutheran (EL C S*A) Ping!

* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.

12 posted on 11/03/2009 10:30:35 AM PST by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: 50sDad
when the sheet hit the fan re: history of sexual molestation with a few priests....in my diocese, the Bishop made it clear that declaring bankruptcy would not affect the assets of the parishes....

well....that lasted about 2 minutes..suddenly, when they settled, the parishes were not separate entities but part of the whole so the parishes got assessed huge amounts to pay for what the diocese elite settled for...

my point is.......I hope the Lutheran churches are individual entities and not just considered an asset of the larger group.....the national people like to proclaim individuality except when it comes to money and then all of a sudden they all belong to the national church....

13 posted on 11/03/2009 10:33:07 AM PST by cherry
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To: rhema

As always with liberals, tolerance is a one-way street.


14 posted on 11/03/2009 10:39:38 AM PST by superdad
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To: rhema; lightman
I was in an ELCA church recently and I noticed a symbol I had not seen before displayed on the altar and lectern. The symbol, in white on a green background showed a triangle inscribed in a circle, with a cross on top of the circle. The cross had equal length arms so that it looked more like a plus sign.

I'm guessing that the triangle in the circle represents the Trinity, but I wondered if this type of symbol is common in Lutheran churches, or is something new.

15 posted on 11/03/2009 10:40:24 AM PST by wideminded
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To: rhema

Wow. It’s hard to believe that some of these people want to join the Catholic Church.


16 posted on 11/03/2009 11:03:27 AM PST by stevem
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To: rhema; lightman

NOW comes the open coercion! All that foofarar about “bound consciences” was just that—foofarar!!!!

The ELCA mis-leaders are just as bad as their false god obama, who is “the one” they really follow, not Christ.

Well, back in 2008 God Himself took me out of the grasp of the ELCA mis-leaders and all their tommyrot and delusions. He will take many others away from them over the next year or two. Thanks be to God!!!!


17 posted on 11/03/2009 11:25:12 AM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: rhema

Und you vill celebrate faggotry or you vill be SHOT !


18 posted on 11/03/2009 12:41:57 PM PST by jimt
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To: wideminded

The symbol you are describing sounds like a conflation of the “cross of victory” (Cross above a globe) with a symbol of the Trinity.

If I recall correctly this is something sold through the ELCA church supply & publishing house Augsburg-Fortress.

Traditionally the globe had bands of equal length, like a pair of lines of latitude plus a band of equal length running vertically. The three points of the bands were to represent the Trinity; but I suppose someone felt the symbol could be improved by replacing the bands with the triangle.


19 posted on 11/03/2009 12:57:15 PM PST by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: rhema; SmithL
Another thread:

To: SmithL ELCA leaders emphasize it's up to individual congregations whether they want gay or lesbian pastors.

For now.

29 posted on Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:59:00 PM by xone [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse]

20 posted on 11/03/2009 9:02:08 PM PST by xone
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To: rhema

Of course, we all knew it was thus from the get-go.


21 posted on 11/04/2009 5:34:19 AM PST by fwdude (It is not the liberals who will destroy this country, but the "moderates.")
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