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In aftermath of Maine, gays step up their attacks on the Church
American Papist ^ | November 5, 2009 | Thomas Peters

Posted on 11/05/2009 10:08:05 AM PST by NYer

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1 posted on 11/05/2009 10:08:07 AM PST by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

It’s amazing how ignorant the average person is about the ramifications of gay marriage on their own families. They float through life with the “why shouldn’t they be married”, pie in the sky mentality. Relativism, as Pope Benedict XVI has often said, is the greatest threat to our christian faith.


2 posted on 11/05/2009 10:11:52 AM PST by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer

I think folks in Maine have awakened from their stupor - and not just the Catholics. One of the gays said that they wanted to know the name of every person who voted for it, implying that some retribution was going to be taken. But I’d bet that when a bunch of university gay folk show up at a dairy farm out there - they’re going to be outgunned, literally.

These political gays live in their own stupid little world.


3 posted on 11/05/2009 10:13:09 AM PST by livius
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To: NYer

The Catholic Church is still fairly powerful in Maine. Protesters likely don’t want to poke that particular sleeping lion.


4 posted on 11/05/2009 10:13:09 AM PST by wbill
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To: NYer

bookmark


5 posted on 11/05/2009 10:13:22 AM PST by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: NYer

Such is the tolerance of the left...


6 posted on 11/05/2009 10:13:35 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: NYer

just imagine how “comfortable” the margin would have been if every gay couple’s dogs and dead parents didn’t vote!


7 posted on 11/05/2009 10:14:24 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (Fight for it or lose it.)
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To: NYer

Hey, what ever happened to the ERA?

;)

“Wrong side of history”, indeed.


8 posted on 11/05/2009 10:14:27 AM PST by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: NYer

Too bad these folks don’t channel their energy to solving the world’s problems, such as hunger and war, to name two.

The Church (all faiths) must keep on keeping on. Maybe some day these “activists” will get the message that most people don’t want gay marriage.


9 posted on 11/05/2009 10:14:49 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: NYer

Great article!


10 posted on 11/05/2009 10:15:31 AM PST by CatQuilt (Lover of cats =^..^= and quilts)
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To: NYer

What part of “NO” don’t the gays understand.....the “N” or the “O”?


11 posted on 11/05/2009 10:15:55 AM PST by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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To: NYer

After Maine, where the Catholic church actually organized a second collection to raise money to prevent gay people from having civil rights, the situation shifts again. Using a tax-exempt church to raise money to defeat the civil rights of fellow citizens is not too shocking in the age of Benedict. It is shocking if one believes in a separation of politics and religion, and if one believes that the church of Jesus should stand in solidarity with the marginalized, rather than seeking to marginalize and demonize them still further.

Say what? Separation of politics and religion? Haaaa, Haaaaa,Haaaaaa Jesus supporting gays? Haaaaa,Haaaa,Haaaa


12 posted on 11/05/2009 10:18:31 AM PST by 1776 Reborn
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To: NYer

I love the ending with Luke 6:22

It nails it.


13 posted on 11/05/2009 10:20:37 AM PST by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: massmike

Threads on this subject always have a post from a Gay who says time is on their side and they gleefully anticipate the demise of The Greatest Generation. The problem is, they’ll be too busy celebrating that generation’s grave in front of them, to notice the Islamic generation behind them.


14 posted on 11/05/2009 10:22:56 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: fatnotlazy

Their brains are located below their belts.


15 posted on 11/05/2009 10:23:35 AM PST by RobbyS (he)
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To: NYer

Yeah!What “bigots” they must be in Maine to see anything wrong with THIS......

What same-sex “marriage” has done to Massachusetts
It’s far worse than people realiize.
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/marriage/effects_of_ssm.html

Boston Globe celebrates homosexual school clubs persuading kids to “come out” as teenagers (and earlier).
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/07d/globe_mag_111107/index.html

Horror stories in the schools
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/info/kbase/horror_stories.html

Brutal fascist tactics against citizens
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/info/kbase/facist_tactics.html

Depraved ‘Gay Pride Week’ in Boston supported by politicians and corporations.

Part I: Mayor of Boston holds ceremony to raise rainbow flag over Boston City Hall
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/events07/pride_week/city_hall_flag_0601/index.html

PART II: Friday night - “Boston Dyke March”.

The “Boston Dyke March” was about as raunchy as it gets . But that didn’t stop our Governor from participating the next day and giving “Pride” his official approval.
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/events07/pride_week/dyke_march_0609/index.html

Entire day of madness . . .
Homosexual “Youth Pride Day” activities with kids — supported by your tax dollars

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/09b/youth_pride/index.html

Mass. tax-funded GLBT Youth Commission issues chilling report of its activities
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/09a/gaycomm_report/index.html

Radical homosexual / transgender handouts given to kids in MA schools. Your tax dollars at work.
HANDOUTS: At high school’s “Gay Lesbian Bisexual Transgender Appreciation Day”.
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/09a/NNHS_gayday09/index.html

Ma. man fired from job over Christian belief in traditional (real) marriage
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/09d/vadala/index.html


16 posted on 11/05/2009 10:23:49 AM PST by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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To: livius

Maine is much smarter than the other blue state I live in: Mexifornia.

The mass last weekend at my L.A. parish church was a mother who was pleading for tolerance after discovering his son was gay and was ironically, demonizing other states for not accepting her views.

I had to walk out while the lemming idiots were clapping afterwards. No wonder I really dont give money to this parish no matter how much they beg.


17 posted on 11/05/2009 10:23:53 AM PST by max americana (i)
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To: NYer
Who else would they attack but the church. Even though the general population voted them down, they know what GOD said about their life style. By attacking the church they are attacking God. Not a fruitful venture in the long run.
18 posted on 11/05/2009 10:26:19 AM PST by fish hawk (It's sad that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom. Isaac Asimov)
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To: NYer

Last I checked, 31 states have voted down gay marriage. Why aren’t they complaining and attacking the churches in those states as well.


19 posted on 11/05/2009 10:26:46 AM PST by Wee-Weed Up
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To: fatnotlazy

“Too bad these folks don’t channel their energy to solving the world’s problems, such as hunger and war, to name two.”

That’s difficult when you think with your genitals and rectum.


20 posted on 11/05/2009 10:27:21 AM PST by GunsAndBibles (God save Calif. - 'cause it's gonna take a miracle.)
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To: 1776 Reborn

As if gays didn’t have the support of tax-empty foundations. But that’s a red herring. Gays did not hesitate to use the courts and their connections in the Democratic Party to deprive the people of Massachusetts the right to vote on this issue.


21 posted on 11/05/2009 10:28:14 AM PST by RobbyS (he)
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To: NYer
Get the State out of the marriage business and this problem vanishes.

As usual, Government is the problem.

22 posted on 11/05/2009 10:29:36 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: max americana

With all due respect, you should seek another parish.
Peace be to you...


23 posted on 11/05/2009 10:32:48 AM PST by OriginalChristian (If you can't get LIFE right, nothing else you think or say matters...)
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To: OriginalChristian

It’s the only Catholic parish in Hollywood unfortunately.


24 posted on 11/05/2009 10:34:13 AM PST by max americana (i)
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To: massmike; wagglebee
Thank you for posting those links. It is so very important to show others what happens when the definition of marriage changes. I still recall reading a news article written a few days after MA legalized gay marriage. The author's son was a 1st grade student on that fateful day. No sooner was the announcement made when a team of gays descended on each and every classroom to begin the indoctrination process. The next day, the author pulled his children from that school and enrolled them in a Catholic school. What is most disconcerting, though, is that this trend is not local or even national. It's is worldwide. And despite what they say, it is not a matter of civil rights. They have as much right to marry a person of the opposite gender as do you and I.

Heads up! The gov of NY is planning to introduce a bill to the legislature next week, legalizing gay marriage in this state.

25 posted on 11/05/2009 10:34:40 AM PST by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer
The GLBT fifth column thinks it can shame or harass the margin of loss into voting their way.
26 posted on 11/05/2009 10:37:49 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: RobbyS

Yeah, I think they should be granted legal business partnership contracts by the government,not marriage licenses, to deal with the legal issues surrounding property ownership and custody disputes. I think the churches should be the only ones to actually marry anyone according to their own religious beliefs. That’s my view, I know it is a bit too middle of the road for many regarding this issue but I think it would resolve this issue from the
governments point of view in my lifetime at least.


27 posted on 11/05/2009 10:39:12 AM PST by 1776 Reborn
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To: max americana

You’re five minutes from Burbank. Go to St. Finbar of St. Charles Borromeo in Toluca Lake.


28 posted on 11/05/2009 10:41:42 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: Rutles4Ever

typo, “or” St. Charles Borromeo


29 posted on 11/05/2009 10:42:21 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: Rutles4Ever

Is it a lib parish? I’m wary of any church close to Hollywood.


30 posted on 11/05/2009 10:43:47 AM PST by max americana (i)
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-The gov of NY is planning to introduce a bill to the legislature next week, legalizing gay marriage in this state.-

Like Patterson’s approval rating wasn’t low enough already....


31 posted on 11/05/2009 10:48:21 AM PST by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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To: max americana

St. Finbar was not at all liberal, at least back in the 90’s. Can’t vouch for what it’s like now, but they were very focused on the Eucharist when I lived in the area.

You should pay them a visit this Sunday and see. I take it you go to Holy Name(?) in Hollywood?


32 posted on 11/05/2009 10:56:19 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: NYer
In aftermath of Maine, gays step up their attacks on the Church

Does this mean the opposition of gays toward the Catholic Church's tenet now stands at 110%?

33 posted on 11/05/2009 10:57:28 AM PST by stevem
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To: Rutles4Ever

Thanks for the info. I dont want to mention the name of it but it’s “close” to CNN (maybe that’s why it’s liberal).


34 posted on 11/05/2009 11:02:32 AM PST by max americana (i)
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To: max americana
I had to walk out while the lemming idiots were clapping afterwards.

The lemming idiots should have their hands taped to their sides. Actually, your pastor should tell people they should NOT applaud in church. There is no reason for it, no permission for it, and it's always used to get simple-minded idiots (mostly women, I hate to say) to lend their "solidarity" to some liberal cause.

35 posted on 11/05/2009 12:08:13 PM PST by livius
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The standard argument is

“How can two people of the same sex being married be a threat to your marriage?”


36 posted on 11/05/2009 12:10:18 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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The militants won't stop until all churches are like this one: http://www.mccchurch.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Sexuality_Spirituality&Template=/CM/HTMLDisplay.cfm&ContentID=629
37 posted on 11/05/2009 12:18:05 PM PST by thecraw (God allows evil...God allowed Hussein...Lord willing he'll give us Sarah to clean up the huge mess.)
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To: MrB
The standard argument is “How can two people of the same sex being married be a threat to your marriage?”

Same as saying, "If I get an abortion, how that that be a threat to someone else's right to carry their baby to term?"

38 posted on 11/05/2009 12:21:51 PM PST by thecraw (God allows evil...God allowed Hussein...Lord willing he'll give us Sarah to clean up the huge mess.)
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To: NYer

The anger displayed by gays seeking affirmation and approval of their relationships as normal and natural used to surprise me. I have wondered why?

It is of interest to me that the rise of the demand for “gay marriage” correlates to the rise of lesbianism, female homosexuality. It is natural for women to want children and to have a partner in the care of raising those children.

Yet, due to the nature of the homosexual union, reproduction is impossible. Artificial means must then be used. Likewise, marriage, as it has been defined and understood for centuries, is between a man and a woman.
Therefore, “gay marriage” must also be achieved by artificial means. As is evident, the voting public is not ready to grant gays that sanction, so they have turned to the courts to impose it. It would therefore follow, that acceptance must also then be artificially imposed.

I submit that the anger stems not from the fact that society has not gleefully adopted the homosexual agenda, but rather a kind of self aversion in the subliminal knowledge that the natural things they desire cannot be attained by their unnatural sexual desires.

It is projection and transferal of blame. Like a spoiled child angry when its parents won’t consent to what is bad for the child and the family.

I believe that even should gays gain the “marriage” they seek, they will still find themselves angry and bitter. Remember it was once enough to be able to practice the “alternative lifestyle” free of discrimination. No matter the concessions, they will never be happy as it will never be enough to quell the knowledge that their sexual desires are disordered under the laws of nature and not just the laws of God.


39 posted on 11/05/2009 12:22:56 PM PST by Jvette
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To: NYer

Come on Palin.


40 posted on 11/05/2009 12:29:58 PM PST by Rappini ("Pro deo et Patria.)
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To: Rutles4Ever

Shaming and harassment is the way they implement ALL of their communist agenda.


41 posted on 11/05/2009 12:58:15 PM PST by ichabod1 ( I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet.)
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To: MrB
“How can two people of the same sex being married be a threat to your marriage?”

Straw horse argument. It's not about a particular marriage; it's the institution of marriage which we don't want to be forced to redefine.

A counter question would be, what should the definition of marriage be, and who should decide what that definition is?

42 posted on 11/05/2009 1:47:17 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (A trade: Conservative Anglicans for Liberal Catholics and a heretic to be named later.)
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To: max americana

Was that a Catholic church, and if so, which one?


43 posted on 11/05/2009 1:48:45 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (A trade: Conservative Anglicans for Liberal Catholics and a heretic to be named later.)
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To: Lurker
Get the State out of the marriage business and this problem vanishes.

Stop tearing sown societal institutions in order to validate mental illness as healthy and normal and the problem goes away.

44 posted on 11/05/2009 1:52:19 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (A trade: Conservative Anglicans for Liberal Catholics and a heretic to be named later.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

I’m definitely with you.

Either marriage is defined objectively as it is in the Bible as one man and one woman,

or there is no objective definition, and whatever anyone of any generation wants it to be, that is what it will be.

There is no way that it will go anywhere but in the direction of

any number of men, their daughters, their pets and the pets’ fleas constituting a “marriage”.


45 posted on 11/05/2009 1:59:55 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

clue on post 34. If you live in L.A., you’ll know it..


46 posted on 11/05/2009 2:10:23 PM PST by max americana (i)
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To: NYer

I get a kick out of that “wrong side of history” line. Hah, they are on the wrong side of history! When was there ever same sex marriage in human history?


47 posted on 11/05/2009 3:50:08 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: 1776 Reborn

IMHO, one function of the law is to protect rights arising from the relationship between a man and a woman and their relation to their children. Marriage is a institution that predates any state, or any positive law, and one of the obligations of the state is to protect families.


48 posted on 11/05/2009 4:03:20 PM PST by RobbyS (he)
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To: fatnotlazy

The more the gays get their way, the worse off they are. They are like so many bratty kids who are never happy. Look what happened when the gay movement brought them out of the closet. They went to places such as San Francisco and New York City where they lived in large gay enclaves. This was the gay Disneyland. At last they were surrounded by people just like themselves. They could do anything they wanted in an environment of total acceptance. And that is exactly what they did - they did everything they wanted with as many people as they wanted and they ended up with AIDS. Be careful what you wish for.


49 posted on 11/05/2009 4:06:48 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Jeff Chandler

And if you change the definition of marriage once, how many more times will it be changed?


50 posted on 11/05/2009 4:21:41 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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