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Did Neanderthals Have Sex with Modern Humans?
Fox News ^ | November 06, 2009 | Charles Q. Choi

Posted on 11/13/2009 5:05:13 PM PST by HarleyD

We are currently the only human species alive, but as recently as 24,000 years ago another one walked the earth — the Neanderthals.

These extinct humans were the closest relatives we had, and tantalizing new hints from researchers suggest that we might have been intimately close indeed. The mystery of whether Neanderthals and us had sex might be solved if the entire Neanderthal genome is reported soon as expected. The matter of why they died and we succeeded, however, remains an open question.

Maybe not nasty and brutish, but still short

Why did Neanderthals go extinct?

Roughly 30,000 years ago, the Neanderthals disappeared, although pockets might have survived until as recently as 24,000 years ago. Since they vanished just as modern humans were emerging there, scientists have long speculated that we might have driven their extinction.

"I think we did away with our competition," asserted paleoanthropologist Ian Tattersall at the American Museum of Natural History in New York. "We either did it indirectly by out-competing them over resources or directly by conflict. Homo sapiens is completely different from any other hominid that ever existed — we process information about the world in a different way."

Other scientists have suggested that Neanderthals weren't destroyed so much as absorbed by modern humans. "Maybe they were wiped out by disease or by conquerors, but maybe they did leave important genes into our gene pool," said paleoanthropologist Milford Wolpoff at the University of Michigan.

Paleoanthropologist Tim Weaver at the University of California at Davis also noted that our species apparently could live at higher population densities than Neanderthals. As a result, this slight difference, with or without interbreeding, would have led to us replacing them.

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Here is an article that I found rather interesting. In the scriptures it states the following:

And again...

The questions in these passages is 1) where did these other people come from for Cain to marry, and 2) what is meant by the sons of God versus the women of men? Could these be the Neanderthals-another race of creatures but not on the same level and God-breathed beings?

1 posted on 11/13/2009 5:05:14 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

Of course they did. Remember Bill and Monica?


2 posted on 11/13/2009 5:06:15 PM PST by max americana (i)
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To: HarleyD

No doubt. Ted Kennedy and various human waitresses...


3 posted on 11/13/2009 5:07:37 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: max americana

LOL!!! One was a neanderthal. One was an intern.


4 posted on 11/13/2009 5:07:46 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

Had beer been invented yet?


5 posted on 11/13/2009 5:08:09 PM PST by bigbob
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To: HarleyD

There is an interesting Christian fiction series on Nephilum. Very distracting stuff tho, like the end times, easy to lose focus of your primary mission.


6 posted on 11/13/2009 5:08:15 PM PST by momincombatboots (Tom Lyons: Son in Law, Husband Father 1988-2009 KIA 090809- Hero 2 me)
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To: HarleyD

Cue photo of Helen Thomas.


7 posted on 11/13/2009 5:08:45 PM PST by samtheman
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To: HarleyD

See the thread posted a little earlier “The Greatest Friday night mugshot I’ve ever seen on ‘The Smoking Gun’”

There you will see the child born of this loving union.


8 posted on 11/13/2009 5:08:57 PM PST by BlueStateBlues (Blue State business, Red State heart. . . . .Palin 2012----can't come soon enough!)
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To: max americana

“Roughly 30,000 years ago, the Neanderthals disappeared, although pockets might have survived until as recently as 24,000 years ago. Since they vanished just as modern humans were emerging there, scientists have long speculated that we might have driven their extinction.”

“driven their extinction”/ What run over by a SUV?


9 posted on 11/13/2009 5:09:33 PM PST by TNoldman (Conservative Values FOREVER! LION = Let's Impeach Obama Now!)
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To: HarleyD
The main difficulty here is that by the time the Hebrews began discussing the issue the Neanderthals had been gone for 10,000 or so years.

Now that doesn't mean the stories themselves don't have a very early ~ even Ice Age ~ origin, but there are few such tales. (Lot, his wife and the visit to the area of Sodom may be such a story).

Eventually some smart guys somewhere will figure out the references to this one.

10 posted on 11/13/2009 5:09:39 PM PST by muawiyah (Git Out The Way)
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To: HarleyD

Democrats are Exhibit A.


11 posted on 11/13/2009 5:09:50 PM PST by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: HarleyD

My wife, a “Modern Human”, says her Neanderthal does.


12 posted on 11/13/2009 5:10:16 PM PST by jwalsh07 (Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what you can do for Obama.)
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To: max americana
Remember Bill and Monica?

Stop the insulting of neanderthals!

They are people too.

They sell insurance Geico insurance..

13 posted on 11/13/2009 5:11:45 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: HarleyD
"Did Neanderthals Have Sex with Modern Humans?"

YES.

14 posted on 11/13/2009 5:12:23 PM PST by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: HarleyD; MrsLilac

According to my wife the answer is “Yes”. And as recently as days ago.

And I still do as often as she wants me to.


15 posted on 11/13/2009 5:13:25 PM PST by AZ .44 MAG (I'm Jim Thompson and I say our government is a joke and its current make up is the punch line.)
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To: samtheman

don’t forget Paris Hilton...


16 posted on 11/13/2009 5:14:13 PM PST by johnandrhonda (have you hugged your banjo today?)
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To: HarleyD

Yes, but only after drinking too much.


17 posted on 11/13/2009 5:14:19 PM PST by Gator113 (Obamba, Reid, Pelosi, the socialist triad.)
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To: OldDeckHand

You really have to make that photo morph into a neanderthal. I mean it’s already so close...


18 posted on 11/13/2009 5:14:52 PM PST by madison10
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To: max americana

Perfect way to explain Bozo and his “wookie” stinking up the White House!


19 posted on 11/13/2009 5:16:17 PM PST by tiger63
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To: HarleyD

Is that how we got ‘Me-shell’? Just wonderin’.


20 posted on 11/13/2009 5:16:52 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (I don't have a 'Cousin Pookie'.)
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To: HarleyD

Hey, I never touched one. Honest. Well, maybe that time during my teen years, but I had too much to drink.


21 posted on 11/13/2009 5:17:32 PM PST by irishtenor (Beer. God's way of making sure the Irish don't take over the world.)
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To: HarleyD

Ever look at a snowboarder?


22 posted on 11/13/2009 5:18:23 PM PST by WellyP
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To: HarleyD
What is an “extinct human”? I guess that I should be asking what is his definition of human?
23 posted on 11/13/2009 5:21:33 PM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: HarleyD

"I don't see how that's any
of your damn business!"

24 posted on 11/13/2009 5:22:07 PM PST by Stultis (Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia; Democrats always opposed waterboarding as torture)
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To: HarleyD
Did Neanderthals have sex with modern day humans?

Yep.

Proof?

Red Hair is a Neanderthal trait.

Anyone who carries the HLA-B27 genetic defect (Ankylosing Spondylitis) is also a descendant of a Neanderthal.

I'm lucky, I got both.

The Noords were also descendants of the Neanderthals, and I remind you all on this thread that the Noord's raped, pillaged and plundered most of modern day Europe, so if you have European descent in your bloodline, you're all a bunch of Neanderthals too!

USC - A proud knuckle-dragging, cromagnum Neanderthal descendant.

25 posted on 11/13/2009 5:22:58 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: samtheman

Cue her? Hell, just ASK her! She was probably around back then.


26 posted on 11/13/2009 5:24:05 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: usconservative

OK, now for the redhead photos. Isn’t Kucinich’s wife Lizabeth a redhead?


27 posted on 11/13/2009 5:25:20 PM PST by BlueStateBlues (Blue State business, Red State heart. . . . .Palin 2012----can't come soon enough!)
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To: usconservative

Ooga Booga.


28 posted on 11/13/2009 5:25:31 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: HarleyD

That explains the Kennedy clan...


29 posted on 11/13/2009 5:54:43 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: HarleyD

Biblical scholars seem to agree that Cain married a sister, and that marriages between brothers and sisters were common early on.

It wasn’t forbidden until Leviticus.

It is ghastly for us to think about, but as caveats, remember that people were living hundreds of years then; so brothers and sisters were not necessarily raised together. Also, presumably the progressive genetic damage we are all inheriting was not yet present, so genetic problems were not as likely at all.


30 posted on 11/13/2009 6:03:38 PM PST by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: HarleyD
When I was in college, the Neanderthal chicks were so easy to score with.

I never left the Phi Sigma Sigma house without a chick, as long as I brought along raw mutton.

31 posted on 11/13/2009 6:06:51 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: HarleyD


32 posted on 11/13/2009 6:12:01 PM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: mountn man

That's not a neanderthal, that's a damn' alien!!!

33 posted on 11/13/2009 6:21:14 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Marie2
Biblical scholars seem to agree that Cain married a sister, and that marriages between brothers and sisters were common early on.

It may well be that some biblical scholars agree but it does not add up to what we are told about what Cain did. And have you noticed how closely the names of Cain's genealogy are to those of the Adam's genealogy?

Notice what is written in Genesis 4:14 "..... Behold, Thou has driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from Thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that everyone that findeth me shall slay me."

Why would Cain be worried about 'everyone' and not his immediate family if only his immediate family were the only peoples on this earth? No other children are recorded by Adam and Eve until after Cain left the area. And I agree we do not know how many other children Adam and Eve had, only the genealogy listed in chapter 5 leading up to Noah.

34 posted on 11/13/2009 6:21:45 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: usconservative

It’s not all bad; I recall reading that Neanderthals actually had larger brains than modern humans. Interbreeding might explain the glorious European schnozzola.


35 posted on 11/13/2009 6:22:02 PM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: HarleyD
I have always had a pet theory that down syndrome is actually Neanderthal DNA trying to assert itself, this is why they almost all look alike.

Just a theory, don't hate on me.

36 posted on 11/13/2009 6:22:26 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied, the economy died)
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To: HarleyD
Did Neanderthals Have Sex with Modern Humans?
  1. Newsies are obsessed with sex.
  2. Scientificists keep changing their minds as to whether interbreeding was possible between neandertals and h. sapiens.

37 posted on 11/13/2009 7:16:36 PM PST by Lee N. Field (I am not a navi, nor do I ramble on pretending to be one on teh Interwebz.)
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To: HarleyD

I am not convinced that those Neanderthal genes are extinct at all. Over the years as I went to work, from time to time I would observe some men—oddly enough, it was never women—on the subway who had a distinct resemblance to the drawings of cavemen that I have seen. Sometimes I would see one who complemented the facial looks with mass amounts of dark hair emanating from his shirt cuffs.

No, they still walk among us.


38 posted on 11/13/2009 7:35:14 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: HarleyD

It is understood by many exegetes that the sons of God were the lineage of Seth, and the daughter of men were from the lineage of Cain. The descendants of Adam and Eve married their siblings. The Neanderthal DNA was too different from Cro-Magnon DNA for them to have produced viable offspring.


39 posted on 11/13/2009 7:42:58 PM PST by Nosterrex
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To: HarleyD

I think I might have dated a few during my single days!


40 posted on 11/13/2009 8:12:13 PM PST by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life!)
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To: OldPossum
I am not convinced that those Neanderthal genes are extinct at all. Over the years as I went to work, from time to time I would observe some men—oddly enough, it was never women—on the subway who had a distinct resemblance to the drawings of cavemen that I have seen. Sometimes I would see one who complemented the facial looks with mass amounts of dark hair emanating from his shirt cuffs.

Interesting observation. One might wander among the hills of Tennessee or Afghanistan and see folks that, shall we say, differ more in appearance than the average? Am I agreeing with the Neanderthal theory? Not quite. But there are many unknowns.

41 posted on 11/13/2009 8:18:18 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Re: Bawney Fwanks - could be that’s why the species died out? No reproduction, no continuation of the species.


42 posted on 11/13/2009 8:18:38 PM PST by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life!)
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To: HarleyD

Very interesting. God, that Bible....


43 posted on 11/13/2009 9:59:53 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Just mythoughts

From a brief article from Answers In Genesis:

“Since the Bible describes all human beings as sinners, and we are all related (“And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth,” Acts 17:26), the gospel makes sense only on the basis that all humans alive and all that have ever lived (except for the first woman6 ) are descendants of the first man Adam. If this were not so, then the gospel could not be explained or defended.

Thus, there was only one man at the beginning—made from the dust of the earth (Genesis 2:7).

This also means that Cain’s wife was a descendant of Adam. She couldn’t have come from another race of people and must be accounted for from Adam’s descendants.”

for the full article, reasonably succinct - here is a link:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/who-was-cains-wife

They make the very solid theological point that only sons of Adam can be saved. There is only a plan of salvation for those who fell, who were Adam’s posterity.


44 posted on 11/13/2009 10:21:50 PM PST by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: Marie2; Just mythoughts
“Since the Bible describes all human beings as sinners, and we are all related (“And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth,” Acts 17:26), the gospel makes sense only on the basis that all humans alive and all that have ever lived (except for the first woman6 ) are descendants of the first man Adam. If this were not so, then the gospel could not be explained or defended. Thus, there was only one man at the beginning—made from the dust of the earth (Genesis 2:7).

I would, of course, agree with you. There is only ONE descendant from Adam. The point being, at least according to this article, is that homo sapiens were completely different, and processed information differently (perhaps divinely), than the neanderthals. It could be safely argued that those descendants, the descendants of Adam, made it through the Great Flood. The rest would have perished. And there wouldn't be a conflict with the text as the scriptures may be abscribing "the race of men" to homo sapiens.

45 posted on 11/14/2009 12:26:35 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
It happens all the time "Down the Shore"...

Hot Chicks With Douchebags


46 posted on 11/14/2009 2:54:23 AM PST by Rodamala
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To: MarkBsnr
Interesting observation. One might wander among the hills of Tennessee or Afghanistan and see folks that, shall we say, differ more in appearance than the average? Am I agreeing with the Neanderthal theory? ... many unknowns.

Add back country New England, and it sounds Lovecraftian.

47 posted on 11/14/2009 8:26:26 AM PST by Lee N. Field (I am not a navi, nor do I ramble on pretending to be one on teh Interwebz.)
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To: Stultis

48 posted on 11/14/2009 8:36:35 AM PST by Gamecock
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To: Marie2

The word ‘blood’ was added in Acts 17:26. And there are two different days of flesh beings created/formed in Genesis 1 and 2.


49 posted on 11/14/2009 1:10:30 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Rodamala

Of course they had sex together. The question is whether they had children as a result.


50 posted on 11/14/2009 1:14:14 PM PST by DavidAccord
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