Skip to comments.Old Catholics tell Romans to ignore your bishops
Posted on 11/17/2009 11:13:30 AM PST by Gamecock
The Southern Province of the North American Old Catholic Church calls on bishops of the Roman sect to abandon their devisive and hate-filled attitude toward lesbian and gay people. The Roman bishops began a meeting on Monday (11/16/2009) in Baltimore, MD, and are expected to issue a major "pastoral letter" against equal rights for gay people.
"It is like they are telling their brothers and sisters: Thou Shalt Not Love," says Archbishop Wynn Wagner, the Regionary Bishop of the Southern Province USA of the North American Old Catholic Church (NAOCC). "They have forgotten the message of love, in their rush toward a notion of post-modernism."
The North American Old Catholic Church has called the month of November a Month of Prayer for those hurt by the Roman bishops' actions. The Old Catholic Church -- being closer to the ancient teachings of Christ -- does not consider gender or sexual orientation to be an impediment to any sacrament, including ordination and marraige.
"We call on adherents of the Roman sect to ignore the pronouncements of the later-day Pharisees," the archbishop continued. "They certainly don't speak for traditional Catholicism. Remember to pray for those bishops and those they hurt."
So the lady priest thinks Rome is a sect.
The woman priest is probably coming up with arguments defending Saddam’s use of rape and torture room.
the Roman sect
Garbage imitation ‘church’.
Is she a lesbian?
These people are N-V-T-S...nuts!
(a little Roman lingo there)
So do a lot of other nuts who have separated themselves by their own animus from the Church founded by Christ.
David Ferrie, of JFK assassination conspiracy fame, was an ‘ordained’ Old Catholic priest!
17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
I do not understand the lack of clarity and descernment of spirits in the "Priests"
AAAAAARRRGH!!! This is not a Catholic Church. It was founded in 2007. I say again it was founded in 2007. They elected their own Bishops..... Yep, you quessed it, IN 2007!!! I can’t take it no mo. The Holy See, declares that homosexuals are welcome to worship in the Catholic Church. It’s as if... Dare I say it... The Catholic Church is eeeevil. One problem; No other entity gives more to the poor than Catholics. Well, maybe one. That would be America. I’m a proud member of both those parties.
Anal sex and related activities of same sex attracted couples is not only unorthodox in all that our Messiah taught, one has to lose all reason to embrace this damning behavior.
Using judgement, is not passing judgement. Where only our Savior can do the latter, we are all called on to do the first.
Repent, join the church and stop allowing a sexual proclivity decide your eternal disposition. Although we live in the natural, we are called to the supernatural.
Rise above the selfish desires and lustful urges and accept salvation. We must decrease and He must increase. It doesn’t work any other way.
See post 10.
Are you a stand-up philosopher? ;-P
Do try to refrain from pontificating on things of which you display a negative understanding.
Ratzinger didn’t call for “global authority”.
"Love thy neighbor as thyself" does NOT mean to boink him!
Et tu? Argle bargle?
Hello? Just because a group assumes to themselves the nae “Catholic” does not in anyway affiliate them the the Catholic Church. These people disagree with fundamental Church doctrine and are in open opposition to the authority of the Church. They are another tradition of Protestantism and no more Catholic than you are.
Read it. The putrid intent of this encyclical is couched in platitudes and seemingly harmless concern for the poor.
All enforced "with teeth."
As is the case with a lot of papist errors, the devil's in the details.
Rev. Meredith Moise, besides being a gay rights activist, is trying to start gay-friendly Christian youth centers.
Another Roman Catholic denomination.
“The Old Catholic Church — being closer to the ancient teachings of Christ....”
Where did they get this wisdom?
By such posts you are displaying either your ignorance or your anti-Catholic bigotry (spoken by a Protestant).
And now, here's His Grace...........*giggle*..........Archbishop Wyn Wagner, our spriritual leader! Oh yeah.........I'm really gonna listen to this guy....LOL!!
Da Bishop sez.........
Thanks for posting!!
This outfit is to Catholicism what the ELCA is to Lutheranism.
Too late. We already have it.
Stand by for instructions. You will be among the first incarcerated. Resistance is futile.
But be of good cheer. It's all predestined!!
I’ll not return your personal insult in kind on this thread about another Roman Catholic denomination.
Love. Hate. It all gets so confusing.
Isaiah 5 is brought to mind:
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
The she-Bishop (1 Timothy 3:1-2 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;... but I digress...) ... The she-Bishop talks about "love" when she is in fact advocating hatred.
1 John 5:2-3 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
God's commandments are very clear on sin. And particularly on the sin of homosexuality - it is an abomination in HIS eyes. And yet, Ms. Bishop Wagner advocates rebellion. Disobedience to God's commandments - and she calls this 'love'... No, this is hatred. Hatred for God's Word. And hatred for those trapped in the snares of sin - and telling them that they are well and that they have no need of repentance. This is cruelty beyond measure. Akin to telling a heroin addict that they have no need to kick their habit...
Woe onto them that call evil good, and good evil...
What a paranoid reading of the encyclical. Paranoid or purposely deceitful.
It always amazes me to see you or other Orthodox Presbyterian Calvinists railing against that straw interpretation of the encyclical.
It was America's first fascist president, a staunchly stiff-necked Calvinist Presbyterian named Calvin Coolidge, who invented global government (the League of Nations).
And you lecture Catholics about totalitarian mentality?
Do you likewise admire Cardinal George for his loyal support of Obama's health care plan?
They pick some weird sticks to beat the Church with, this one actually makes the Church look good. So of course, it would be a good time to branch out into other perceived Catholic flaws that have nothing to do with these Old Catholic dorks urging real Catholics to ignore Church teaching because it is against priestesses and gay clergy in “relationships”.
Another false post about the Catholic Church from Dr. Eckleburg.
As Machen wills.
A falsehood is still false, even when repeated.
The practice of repeating falsehoods, in the apparent hope that folks will believe them, has a long and sordid history.
LOL. Just another protestant group who thinks they’re more Catholic than the Pope.
Someone utters the word "Catholic" (or writes it), and certain folks regurgitate their tired litany of false witness.
It's predictable ... and pathetic.
As Goebbels wills.
Wynn Wagner (born January 18, 1951) is best known as the author of Opus-CBCS, a wildly popular computer bulletin board system (BBS) from the early 1990s. Before he was a computer programmer, Wynn was a professional singer and recording artist. In the 1960s, he sang on an album that won a Grammy. In the 1970s, he was a broadcast journalist.
In addition to software, the bishop has composed a Mass and written several books: A Catechism of the Old Catholic Church available at St. Alban Press, influential (gay fiction, available at MysticWays, a Book of Prayer (currently out of print), Pax et Fides (currently out of print).
Dude's a software engineer and composes "Masses" in his spare time........LOL!!
Oh man.......talk about a side splitter!!
And this guy?
Kinda reminds me of the crackpots who contend they are more Calvinist than Calvin.
A highly-educated and learned Biblical scholar who happens to be Christ’s Vicar on earth?
Yes, I do believe I’ll listen to him.
You sure His Grace isn’t posing for the Red Hat Society?
That purple and red looks fantastic on 60+ year old girls!
lol. Slowly step away from the history book, Petronski. Slowly...slowly...
Coolidge was against the League of Nations as were most Republicans led by Elihu Root.
You must be confusing (yet again) names, dates and facts. It was Woodrow Wilson who pushed for our acceptance of the treaty (which was rejected.)