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Old Catholics tell Romans to ignore your bishops
Examiner.com ^ | November 16 | Rev. Mother Meredith Moise, SPSA

Posted on 11/17/2009 11:13:30 AM PST by Gamecock

The Southern Province of the North American Old Catholic Church calls on bishops of the Roman sect to abandon their devisive and hate-filled attitude toward lesbian and gay people. The Roman bishops began a meeting on Monday (11/16/2009) in Baltimore, MD, and are expected to issue a major "pastoral letter" against equal rights for gay people.

"It is like they are telling their brothers and sisters: Thou Shalt Not Love," says Archbishop Wynn Wagner, the Regionary Bishop of the Southern Province USA of the North American Old Catholic Church (NAOCC). "They have forgotten the message of love, in their rush toward a notion of post-modernism."

The North American Old Catholic Church has called the month of November a Month of Prayer for those hurt by the Roman bishops' actions. The Old Catholic Church -- being closer to the ancient teachings of Christ -- does not consider gender or sexual orientation to be an impediment to any sacrament, including ordination and marraige.

"We call on adherents of the Roman sect to ignore the pronouncements of the later-day Pharisees," the archbishop continued. "They certainly don't speak for traditional Catholicism. Remember to pray for those bishops and those they hurt."


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1 posted on 11/17/2009 11:13:33 AM PST by Gamecock
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To: Alex Murphy; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; Quix

So the lady priest thinks Rome is a sect.


2 posted on 11/17/2009 11:15:01 AM PST by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

yawn.


3 posted on 11/17/2009 11:15:06 AM PST by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: Gamecock

The woman priest is probably coming up with arguments defending Saddam’s use of rape and torture room.


4 posted on 11/17/2009 11:16:19 AM PST by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: Gamecock

the Roman sect

lol


5 posted on 11/17/2009 11:17:05 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Barney Frank is the most disgusting person I can think of. I been thinking about it for months now.)
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To: Gamecock

Garbage imitation ‘church’.


6 posted on 11/17/2009 11:18:08 AM PST by IbJensen (America being militarily and economically strong isn't enough: We must be morally strong!)
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To: Pope Pius XII

Is she a lesbian?


7 posted on 11/17/2009 11:21:24 AM PST by cameraeye (A happy kufir!)
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To: Gamecock

These people are N-V-T-S...nuts!

(a little Roman lingo there)


8 posted on 11/17/2009 11:21:48 AM PST by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: Gamecock
So the lady priest thinks Rome is a sect.

So do a lot of other nuts who have separated themselves by their own animus from the Church founded by Christ.

9 posted on 11/17/2009 11:23:20 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Gamecock

David Ferrie, of JFK assassination conspiracy fame, was an ‘ordained’ Old Catholic priest!


10 posted on 11/17/2009 11:23:57 AM PST by Ozone34 ("There are only two philosophies: Thomism and bullshitism!" -Leon Bloy)
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To: Gamecock
So just what is unclear in Romans first chapter

17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

I do not understand the lack of clarity and descernment of spirits in the "Priests"

11 posted on 11/17/2009 11:24:04 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: Gamecock

AAAAAARRRGH!!! This is not a Catholic Church. It was founded in 2007. I say again it was founded in 2007. They elected their own Bishops..... Yep, you quessed it, IN 2007!!! I can’t take it no mo. The Holy See, declares that homosexuals are welcome to worship in the Catholic Church. It’s as if... Dare I say it... The Catholic Church is eeeevil. One problem; No other entity gives more to the poor than Catholics. Well, maybe one. That would be America. I’m a proud member of both those parties.


12 posted on 11/17/2009 11:28:36 AM PST by 724th (If the enemy is in range, so are you.)
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To: Gamecock

Anal sex and related activities of same sex attracted couples is not only unorthodox in all that our Messiah taught, one has to lose all reason to embrace this damning behavior.

Using judgement, is not passing judgement. Where only our Savior can do the latter, we are all called on to do the first.

Repent, join the church and stop allowing a sexual proclivity decide your eternal disposition. Although we live in the natural, we are called to the supernatural.

Rise above the selfish desires and lustful urges and accept salvation. We must decrease and He must increase. It doesn’t work any other way.


14 posted on 11/17/2009 11:33:01 AM PST by panzerkamphwageneinz
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To: 724th; Ozone34
2007

See post 10.

15 posted on 11/17/2009 11:34:09 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: B Knotts

Are you a stand-up philosopher? ;-P


16 posted on 11/17/2009 11:34:37 AM PST by MortMan (Stubbing one's toes is a valid (if painful) way of locating furniture in the dark.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Another Roman Catholic denomination.

WRONG!!!!!

Do try to refrain from pontificating on things of which you display a negative understanding.

17 posted on 11/17/2009 11:37:25 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Ratzinger didn’t call for “global authority”.


18 posted on 11/17/2009 11:38:23 AM PST by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: Gamecock
"It is like they are telling their brothers and sisters: Thou Shalt Not Love," says Archbishop Wynn Wagner...

"Love thy neighbor as thyself" does NOT mean to boink him!

20 posted on 11/17/2009 11:39:47 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., hot enough down there today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Another Roman Catholic denomination.

Et tu? Argle bargle?

21 posted on 11/17/2009 11:40:27 AM PST by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Hello? Just because a group assumes to themselves the nae “Catholic” does not in anyway affiliate them the the Catholic Church. These people disagree with fundamental Church doctrine and are in open opposition to the authority of the Church. They are another tradition of Protestantism and no more Catholic than you are.


22 posted on 11/17/2009 11:45:54 AM PST by Flying Circus
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To: Pope Pius XII; Gamecock
Did you read the encyclical? Ratzinger calls for a "global authority" over the U.S.' and the world's national sovereignty, immigration policies; natural resources, economics, health, and environmental programs, etc.

Read it. The putrid intent of this encyclical is couched in platitudes and seemingly harmless concern for the poor.

All enforced "with teeth."

As is the case with a lot of papist errors, the devil's in the details.

23 posted on 11/17/2009 11:48:26 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Gamecock

Rev. Meredith Moise, besides being a gay rights activist, is trying to start gay-friendly Christian youth centers.

http://www.christianyouthcenters.com/


24 posted on 11/17/2009 11:49:15 AM PST by iowamark
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To: Flying Circus

Another Roman Catholic denomination.


25 posted on 11/17/2009 11:50:54 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Gamecock

“The Old Catholic Church — being closer to the ancient teachings of Christ....”

.
Where did they get this wisdom?


26 posted on 11/17/2009 11:57:56 AM PST by 353FMG (Save the Planet -- Eliminate Socialism)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

By such posts you are displaying either your ignorance or your anti-Catholic bigotry (spoken by a Protestant).


27 posted on 11/17/2009 11:58:18 AM PST by tjd1454
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To: Gamecock
Oh man, what a crack up!! Absolutely hilarious!!

And now, here's His Grace...........*giggle*..........Archbishop Wyn Wagner, our spriritual leader! Oh yeah.........I'm really gonna listen to this guy....LOL!!


Da Bishop sez.........

Thanks for posting!!

28 posted on 11/17/2009 11:58:56 AM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: Flying Circus

This outfit is to Catholicism what the ELCA is to Lutheranism.


29 posted on 11/17/2009 12:00:08 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Did you read the encyclical? Ratzinger calls for a "global authority" over the U.S.' and the world's national sovereignty, immigration policies; natural resources, economics, health, and environmental programs, etc.

Too late. We already have it.

Stand by for instructions. You will be among the first incarcerated. Resistance is futile.

But be of good cheer. It's all predestined!!

30 posted on 11/17/2009 12:02:59 PM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: tjd1454

I’ll not return your personal insult in kind on this thread about another Roman Catholic denomination.


31 posted on 11/17/2009 12:05:48 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Gamecock
"It is like they are telling their brothers and sisters: Thou Shalt Not Love," says Archbishop Wynn Wagner, the Regionary Bishop of the Southern Province USA of the North American Old Catholic Church (NAOCC). "They have forgotten the message of love, in their rush toward a notion of post-modernism."

Love. Hate. It all gets so confusing.
Isaiah 5 is brought to mind:

20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

The she-Bishop (1 Timothy 3:1-2 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;... but I digress...) ... The she-Bishop talks about "love" when she is in fact advocating hatred.
1 John 5:2-3 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

God's commandments are very clear on sin. And particularly on the sin of homosexuality - it is an abomination in HIS eyes. And yet, Ms. Bishop Wagner advocates rebellion. Disobedience to God's commandments - and she calls this 'love'... No, this is hatred. Hatred for God's Word. And hatred for those trapped in the snares of sin - and telling them that they are well and that they have no need of repentance. This is cruelty beyond measure. Akin to telling a heroin addict that they have no need to kick their habit...

Woe onto them that call evil good, and good evil...

32 posted on 11/17/2009 12:07:10 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Gamecock
My guess is that the list of congregation members for the Old Catholic “church” is the same as the one for the Unitarian/Universalist “Church”.
33 posted on 11/17/2009 12:07:24 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; MarkBsnr; wagglebee; Mad Dawg; NYer; Salvation
Did you read the encyclical? His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI calls for a "global authority" over the U.S.' and the world's national sovereignty, immigration policies; natural resources, economics, health, and environmental programs, etc.

What a paranoid reading of the encyclical. Paranoid or purposely deceitful.

It always amazes me to see you or other Orthodox Presbyterian Calvinists railing against that straw interpretation of the encyclical.

It was America's first fascist president, a staunchly stiff-necked Calvinist Presbyterian named Calvin Coolidge, who invented global government (the League of Nations).

And you lecture Catholics about totalitarian mentality?

That's rich.

34 posted on 11/17/2009 12:08:12 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: marshmallow
I've read your appreciation of Ratzinger's fascist "global authority" encyclical.

Do you likewise admire Cardinal George for his loyal support of Obama's health care plan?

35 posted on 11/17/2009 12:09:46 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Another Roman Catholic denomination...

LOL

36 posted on 11/17/2009 12:09:56 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Flying Circus

They pick some weird sticks to beat the Church with, this one actually makes the Church look good. So of course, it would be a good time to branch out into other perceived Catholic flaws that have nothing to do with these Old Catholic dorks urging real Catholics to ignore Church teaching because it is against priestesses and gay clergy in “relationships”.

Freegards


37 posted on 11/17/2009 12:12:38 PM PST by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
...this thread about another . . . Catholic denomination.

Another false post about the Catholic Church from Dr. Eckleburg.

As Machen wills.

38 posted on 11/17/2009 12:13:35 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: B Knotts

That’s funny!


39 posted on 11/17/2009 12:14:05 PM PST by Gamecock
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To: Petronski
I see that this poster has repeated his/her false statement thrice.

A falsehood is still false, even when repeated.

The practice of repeating falsehoods, in the apparent hope that folks will believe them, has a long and sordid history.

40 posted on 11/17/2009 12:15:12 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Gamecock

LOL. Just another protestant group who thinks they’re more Catholic than the Pope.


41 posted on 11/17/2009 12:15:18 PM PST by Antoninus (The RNC's dream ticket: Romney / Scozzafava 2012)
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To: Ransomed
Pavlov rang his bell, and his dogs salivated.

Someone utters the word "Catholic" (or writes it), and certain folks regurgitate their tired litany of false witness.

It's predictable ... and pathetic.

42 posted on 11/17/2009 12:17:44 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
The practice of repeating falsehoods, in the apparent hope that folks will believe them, has a long and sordid history.

As Goebbels wills.

43 posted on 11/17/2009 12:17:50 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski; Gamecock
From Wiki:

Wynn Wagner (born January 18, 1951) is best known as the author of Opus-CBCS, a wildly popular computer bulletin board system (BBS) from the early 1990s. Before he was a computer programmer, Wynn was a professional singer and recording artist. In the 1960s, he sang on an album that won a Grammy. In the 1970s, he was a broadcast journalist.

In addition to software, the bishop has composed a Mass and written several books: A Catechism of the Old Catholic Church available at St. Alban Press, influential (gay fiction, available at MysticWays, a Book of Prayer (currently out of print), Pax et Fides (currently out of print).

Dude's a software engineer and composes "Masses" in his spare time........LOL!!

Oh man.......talk about a side splitter!!

44 posted on 11/17/2009 12:17:58 PM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow; Dr. Eckleburg
I'm really gonna listen to this guy....LOL!!

And this guy?


45 posted on 11/17/2009 12:18:57 PM PST by Gamecock
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To: Antoninus
Just another protestant group who thinks they’re more Catholic than the Pope.

Kinda reminds me of the crackpots who contend they are more Calvinist than Calvin.

46 posted on 11/17/2009 12:19:44 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Gamecock

A highly-educated and learned Biblical scholar who happens to be Christ’s Vicar on earth?

Yes, I do believe I’ll listen to him.


47 posted on 11/17/2009 12:21:03 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: marshmallow

You sure His Grace isn’t posing for the Red Hat Society?

That purple and red looks fantastic on 60+ year old girls!


48 posted on 11/17/2009 12:22:36 PM PST by OpusatFR (Tagline not State Approved. Thoughts not State Approved. Actions not State Approved)
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To: Petronski; Gamecock; HarleyD; Alex Murphy; the_conscience; Dutchboy88; wmfights; blue-duncan; ...
It was America's first fascist president, a staunchly stiff-necked Calvinist Presbyterian named Calvin Coolidge, who invented global government (the League of Nations).

lol. Slowly step away from the history book, Petronski. Slowly...slowly...

Coolidge was against the League of Nations as were most Republicans led by Elihu Root.

You must be confusing (yet again) names, dates and facts. It was Woodrow Wilson who pushed for our acceptance of the treaty (which was rejected.)

49 posted on 11/17/2009 12:24:16 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Gamecock

50 posted on 11/17/2009 12:26:41 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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