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He must be right - he's got a ~really~ kewl shirt.
Posted on 11/19/2009 8:53:31 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
The Vatican has just completed a five day conference on astrobiology where scientists convened to discuss the detection and implications of extraterrestrial life. A major driving force behind the conference was the Director of the Vatican Observatory, the Jesuit priest Father Jose Gabriel Funes. In May 2008, Funes gave an interview to the Vatican’s L’Osservatore Romano newspaper saying that the existence of intelligent extraterrestrials posed no problems to Catholic theology. The conference itself was officially convened by the Vatican's Pontifical Academy of Sciences, chaired by its religious leader Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, and was held on private Vatican grounds from November 6-10. Together with Funes’ 2008 interview and subsequent public comments by him, the conference demonstrates a welcome openness by the Vatican on the possibility and implications of extraterrestrial life. The Vatican’s openness to discussion of extraterrestrial life is no accident. It is part of an openness policy secretly adopted by the United Nations in February 2008. In fact, the Vatican is playing a leading role in preparing the world for extraterrestrial disclosure.
For most observers, the conference was an innovative scientific gathering sanctioned by the Vatican's Pontifical Academy of Sciences to show the Holy See’s support for modern science in the detection of extraterrestrial life. The conference primarily focused on the detection of primitive extraterrestrial life forms, and featured presentations from nearly 30 international experts in astronomy, physics and biology. Marc Kaufman from the Washington Post reports:
Scientists (many of them nonbelievers) are offering presentations on subjects as varied as how life might have begun on Earth; what newly found "extremophile" microbes living in harsh places on our planet might tell us about possible life on others; and how life forms might be detected in our solar system, or how their bio-signatures might be found on and around the many distant exoplanets.
Discussion of the implications of intelligent extraterrestrial life, both scientific and theological, did not appear prominently in the conference agenda. One of the presenters, however, Prof Paul Davies commented on the religious implications of discovering intelligent extraterrestrial life: "If you look back at the history of Christian debate on this, it divides into two camps. There are those that believe that it is human destiny to bring salvation to the aliens, and those who believe in multiple incarnations," Davies pointed out that the multiple incarnations theory, the idea that multiple examples of Jesus Christ would be found in the universe “is a heresy in Catholicism."
The Vatican, through Funes, is supporting the idea that the incarnation of Christ is a unique event in Earth’s history tied in to humanity’s ‘fall’ and ‘original sin’. This idea was a major focus in Father Funes’ May 2008 interview which was titled "The extraterrestrial is my brother." Funes said that intelligent extraterrestrial life may not have experienced a ‘fall’, and may be “free from Original Sin … [remaining] in full friendship with their creator.” This makes it possible to regard them as ‘our brothers’ as Funes explained:
Just as there is a multiplicity of creatures on earth, there can be other beings, even intelligent, created by God. This is not in contrast with our faith because we can't put limits on God's creative freedom… "Why can't we speak of a 'brother extraterrestrial'? It would still be part of creation…
Most importantly, Funes’ statement makes possible the idea that Christianity can be exported to extraterrestrial worlds that have not experienced a ‘fall’ and are free from original sin.
The Vatican’s new openness on extraterrestrial life is consistent with reports of secret discussions held at the United Nations that began in February 2008. The Vatican’s permanent representative to the UN, Archbishop Celestino Migliore, was reported to have attended along with a number of other prominent government officials to discuss increased UFO sightings and the implications of extraterrestrial visitation. Significantly, Migliore's position requires that he maintains close relations with the Vatican's Pontifical Academy of Sciences. At the time of the secret UN discussions, Migliore made a presentation on moral issues associated with scientific problems such as climate change. Most importantly, the UN discussions reportedly led to a new policy of openness being adopted by approximately 30 nations that would begin in 2009.
Another noteworthy participant reported to have attended the 2008 UN discussions was Britain’s Permanent representative at the time, Sir John Sawers. Sawers was later appointed to head Britain’s prestigious foreign intelligence service MI6. The appointment of a diplomat to head an intelligence service was highly unusual. According to a BBC report: “giving the job to someone more recently associated with diplomatic service was regarded as a break from the tradition.” Seen in the context of the February UN meetings, perhaps MI6 was acknowledging the need for greater diplomacy in dealing with problems posed by a new openness policy on UFOs, and eventual disclosure of extraterrestrial life.
The Vatican sponsored astrobiology conference was a landmark event. It showed that the Vatican was willing to officially sanction public discussions on the existence of extraterrestrial life. More significantly, it showed that the Vatican was willing to initiate a comprehensive dialogue on the theological implications of the discovery of intelligent extraterrestrial life. The Vatican’s astrobiology conference is yet one more sign that major global institutions are preparing for some kind of formal disclosure concerning UFOs and/or extraterrestrial life. This is a direct outcome of a series of landmark meetings at the UN beginning in February 2008 that led to the adoption of a new openness policy.
After more than a year of openness, the Vatican is taking the openness policy to a new level, and preparing the public for some kind of formal extraterrestrial disclosure announcement. Numerous independent sources have predicted such disclosure is imminent, and that the Obama administration is expected to play a prominent role. The Vatican is also positioning itself to play a major role in such an announcement and in a post-disclosure world. Its emerging theological position that extraterrestrials “are our brothers” is a welcome departure from more hostile depictions of extraterrestrial life found in some religious denominations and in Hollywood movies. On the other hand, the idea that the Vatican could justify sending missionaries to convert extraterrestrials born without original sin, does raise major concerns. The Vatican, nevertheless, is currently playing a constructive role in preparing the public for the imminent disclosure of extraterrestrial life.
(VIDEO AT LINK)
[Event Notice: Dr Michael Salla will speak about the theological implications of extraterrestrial life at the upcoming Earth Transformation Conference on the Big Island of Hawaii (January 7-12, 2010).]
Whoever thought that V stood for Vatican?
Galileo kept coming to mind while I read this.
Read the novel “The High Crusade” by Poul Anderson.
“a hundred races, united in Christendom, the English tongue, and the English Crown...”
“they proved they had souls, and could be saved...”
“our former enemy Hurga, now known to this world of Yorkshire as Archbishop William...”
One of the later subplots in the novel is the wholesale conversion of multiple pagan or atheistic alien races to Christianity.
The “author” is the same RAVING LUNATIC who said the we were planning for disclosure a few weeks ago.
The guy is a nutter, 1st Class.
In 1504 while Christopher Columbus was stranded in Jamaica, he used his foreknowledge of a lunar eclipse to fool the natives into provisioning his men. Knowledge is power. Could a modern people such as ourselves fall for similar trickery? Should we necessarily respect or trust the ‘highly evolved’ or technologically advanced?
Has the Vatican decided that extraterrestrial intelligent beings, if ever found, will not have spirits but have souls? ... Until the terminology gets sorted out, the whole exercise is a game.
Ping!!
Do you think he worked on Ron Paul or Cynthia McKinney’s campaign?
The theological implications of something that hasn’t happened are zero! Postulating such things seems a waste of time to me but I do understand that others like to think on these things!
Even if it did happen and the Church was all fine and dandy theologically that would not stop the rest of the world pronouncing that the Bible and Christendom was dead. Of course Islam and Hinduism etc would still be ok!
Many people are dying to find another form of life so they can officially wipe Christianity off. When they found those little squiggles in the Mars rocks it wasn’t a day until someone had a go at me about the death of my religion.
Mel
Maybe himself, he’s got the other lunatic conspiracy theorists giving HIM endorsements, lol.
ENDORSEMENTS
“Historians will eventually learn a host of academics in America well knew there was an extraterrestrial presence engaging the planet Earth and the human race, but did not have the courage to speak out against the government imposed truth embargo or risk the criticisms from uninformed colleagues. Dr. Michael Salla is not one of them. Lacking neither the courage nor the intellectual honesty to take on the most important issue in history, he is helping to found an extraordinary field of study and policy - Exopolitics. This new way of thinking about the world is the logical and inevitable extension of the citizen/science process underway in earnest since 1947 to confirm and understand the extraterrestrial presence.
For six decades the great universities of a free nation have completely abrogated their responsibility to seek and to teach the truth, however inconvenient that truth might be to the State. This is unacceptable and will be changed. In due course there will be various departments of extraterrestrial studies in every university and college in America. And that powerful and appropriate circumstance will owe much to Michael Salla.”
Stephen Bassett, Executive Director of Extraterrestrial Phenomena Political Action Committee & Executive Producer of the X-Conference
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“Michael Salla presents an astounding and eye-brow raising alterative history of the past 100 years. He postulates that since at least the 1930s every major war and policy decision has been in response to an undisclosed extraterrestrial presence on Earth. He traces actual events, ranging from the Nazi development of flying saucers to the recent US invasion of Iraq, to this unworldly element within government and societal issues. Salla’s case could be easily dismissed as fringe conspiracy theory except that it is well supported by the data, answers many of recent history’s most perplexing mysteries and, with each passing year, is gaining credence with thinkers all around the globe. Read and contemplate this thesis today. Tomorrow, it may be the news headlines.”
Jim Marrs, Author of Rule by Secrecy and Alien Agenda
***
“Exopolitics represents the biggest fork in the road ahead for mankind.
This book is essential reading”.
Duncan M. Roads, Editor, NEXUS Magazine
***
Public Reviews from Amazon.Com
Few recent UFO books in my library have made significant contribution to the field, but this one sure did. There’s so much conspiracy theory out there that you could spend years exploring it, but Salla draws it all together into focus, all the while keeping in mind the question, “What exactly does it take to convince a jury?” But wait, there’s more! Salla’s book is multi-faceted. It’s a political analysis AND a conspiracy theory. Whilst most researchers might be tempted to enter into endless phylosophical political debate, Salla approaches his thesis by building a framework on the assumption that, since there has already been a long standing ET presence, we already have an exopolitcal relationship - a very dubious and clandestine relationship - one that desperately needs to be exposed before mankind can move forward.
Salla reviews all the major conspiracy theories, not because he beleives them, but because that’s what an impartial scientific person does. He rates his sources, so you don’t have to, and confesses that, although one particular source might not seem reliable, it’s the volume of corroborating sources that gives credence. Salla explores many recent major world events in the context of the ET presence, and some of it, such as the Iraq-Stargate connection, is completely new to me, and he draws it all together into one concise volume, with loads of references for the curious. Salla admits that his book is far from complete or perfect, but it’s a foundation stone and it’s a great starting point for bigger things to come. I thought some of the chapters needed some editing for typographical errors or some updating, and the language was a little “dry”, but the book is otherwise brilliant.
Richard Jones, August 28, 2006 (East Australia)
***
This is among the best book on UFOs I have read. Others are “Alien Agenda” (Jim Marrs) and “UFOs and the National Security State” (Richard Dolan). The author presents an alternative view behind the real causes of many major world events for the past 70 years (a hidden ET presence on Earth). Although mainstream society may scoff at some of his theories, he presents very powerful evidence, quoting from a variety of sources. Although some of the “whistleblowers” claims, border on the fantastic, like the mysterious Dr. Neruda saying that BST (Blank State Technology-the most advanced form of time travel) is being developed by some rogue elements within the NSA, they are presented in a very coherent, intelligent fashion, which make them very difficult to ignore. Dr. Salla is a very brave man for a Ph.D, presenting a theory, which may be ridiculed by mainstream science, society and the media. Do read this book only if you have an open mind, otherwise don’t spend 50 bucks and then blame the author. It may change your view of our planet. It certainly has mine.
Prashant Pradhan, March 7, 2005, (Kanpur, India)
thought you might be interested.
He must be right - he's got a ~really~ kewl shirt.
Very interested but it will have to wait for another day.
Thanks.
EXOPOLITICS
Political Implications Of The Extra-Terrestrial Presence
This is serious stuff, if you're crazy!
http://www.exopolitics.org/Book-endorsements.htm
THANKS.
OBVIOUSLY the globalist crew is grinding things ever onward according to their script.
Yeah. Riiiight.
My question is: Is this guy really nutters or has he found a New Nutter Way to make a buck?
. . . . Because we need to know these things:
Vatican prepares for extraterrestrial disclosure
[snip]
After more than a year of openness, the Vatican is taking the openness policy to a new level, and preparing the public for some kind of formal extraterrestrial disclosure announcement.
Numerous independent sources have predicted such disclosure is imminent, and that the Obama administration is expected to play a prominent role.
.
what could anyone say about such silliness?
“It is part of an openness policy secretly adopted by the United Nations...”
Now that just sounds silly, doesn’t it?
I love the UFO subject, but this is pathetic, IMO. No position has been taken by the Catholic Church, and no “preparation” by the Church has been exposed in the article. This guy is a loser.
Um, no, this has nothing to do with globalism, this is the ranting of either a lunatic or a money hungry con artist like the rest of the rabid cultists who believe in flying saucers, alien abductions, crop circles, aliens cutting secret deals with governments, and the suckers who buy the books and tapes. You know, crazy stuff.
LoL I just watched it for the first time tonight via dVr.
. . . . Because we need to know these things:
_________
What things? That there’s another hungry con-artist ready to spin tall tales about spacemen and flying saucers and trying to sell books on his website to gullible suckers?
“Numerous independent sources have predicted such disclosure is imminent,....”
A US Air Force pilot, in 1967, told me that his plane had followed one...that our government knew they existed back then...
I’m still waiting for them to tell us!
Here are the operative words. NB:
the Obama administration is expected to play a prominent role.
He never lets a crisis go to waste.
Thought this would be of interest — sorry if you’ve already been pinged to the thread...
I remember perhaps a year ago the Pope releasing a statement that belief in Extra-Terrestrials was not at odds with Catholic Doctrine because we are ALL God’s children, and it was silly to think we were the only ones He created in this vast universe.
I don’t have a link handy though, so I can’t remember the exact wording, but that was the gist of the proclamation paraphrased.
Interesting that they have remade the “V” series and are airing it right now... Those who study this “phenomena” talk about Reptilians and others. I wonder if “V” itself is a way to pre-condition us into trusting one race of ETs over an other (if this all turns out to be real... I’m a (very) open-minded “skeptic” on this subject — or maybe a “skeptical believer” might be a more apt description when it comes to the existence of other sentient life-forms in our universe).
Hello? This article was written by a nutter, it’s not a real news story. The same nutter wrote the same “disclosure” article a few weeks ago, this time it’s the Vatican that’s going to disclose aliens.
Read the thread, see the links, the guy is just another UFO con artist.
Actually, about a year (or more) ago the Vatican DID take a position regarding belief in extra-terrestrial life.
Summarized they said it did NOT create a problem doctrine-wise for Catholics to believe in the possibility of other sentient life forms in our universe. That if they did indeed exist, they were created by the same God that created all of us.
That's not entirely true.
FOX News - Vatican: It's OK for Catholics to Believe in Aliens
Tuesday, May 13, 2008
VATICAN CITY — There could be alien life forms and believing they exist isn't contradictory to having faith in God, the top astronomer at the Vatican said in an interview published Tuesday.
In the Vatican newspaper piece, titled "The Extraterrestrial Is My Brother," the Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes said the expansiveness of the universe means there could be life on planets other than Earth.
"In my opinion this possibility exists," Funes, the director of the Vatican Observatory, told L'Osservatore Romano. "Astronomers believe the universe is made up of 100 billion galaxies, each of which consists of 100 billion stars. ... Life forms could exist in theory even without oxygen or hydrogen."
Funes said that there might even be other intelligent life out there, but believing in its existence doesn't pose a problem for those of the Catholic faith.
"It is possible. So far we have no proof. But certainly in a universe so big we can not exclude this hypothesis," he told the paper.
"As there is a multiplicity of creatures on earth, so there may be other beings, intelligent, created by God. This does not conflict with our faith, because we cannot put limits on the creative freedom of God."
He said human beings could even consider another life form an "extraterrestrial brother" because it, too, would be one of God's creatures.
"How can we rule out that life may have developed elsewhere?" Funes said. "Just as we consider earthly creatures as 'a brother,' and 'sister,' why should we not talk about an 'extraterrestrial brother'? It would still be part of creation."
The interview covered a variety of topics, including the relationship between the Roman Catholic Church and science, and the theological implications of the existence of alien life.
Funes said science, especially astronomy, does not contradict religion, touching on a theme of Pope Benedict XVI, who has made exploring the relationship between faith and reason a key aspect of his papacy.
(snip)
...;0)
Thanks for providing that link for everyone. I remembered reading the article, but am about to turn in for the night and didn’t have time to go searching. :)
Bob.
Bob.
Don’t concern your pretty-little-self with my pings.
You weren’t in my original ping, and yet, you are the one doing all the complaining.
We have already done so, through lack of critical thinking skills -- the anthropomorhic global warming hoax plays on the ignorance of "modern people such as ourselves," who enjoy all the fruits of scientific discovery, but who don't know enough geologic and paleontological history to get that a couple of centuries of "climate data" in the context of gaging global climate trends is like thinking that one milisecond of film from a full-length feature movie could enable one to determine the plot.
Complaining? You’re treating this as a real news story as if it has some merit. I just informed you that it’s about as valid as a Weekly World News “Aliens Meet With Bush” story. He’s just another UFO charlatan looking to separate gullible folks from their money.
Last I checked I was allowed to respond to people without being pinged, just letting you know that it’s a hoax by a con-artist, not a real news story.
Thanks. No sweat.
Love it when y’all keep digging.
INDEED. QUITE CORRECT.
For the rabid clique, it may well be genetic.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
Ladies and gentlemen, Boys and Girls, Dogs and Cats . . .
The Clueless Clique has quacked.
Walk on by . . . nothing here . . .
LOL. It’s so much fun when they keep digging.
[Maybe they are paid disinfo agents?]
Discussion of the implications of intelligent extraterrestrial life, both scientific and theological, did not appear prominently in the conference agenda. One of the presenters, however, Prof Paul Davies commented on the religious implications of discovering intelligent extraterrestrial life: “If you look back at the history of Christian debate on this, it divides into two camps. There are those that believe that it is human destiny to bring salvation to the aliens, and those who believe in multiple incarnations,” Davies pointed out that the multiple incarnations theory, the idea that multiple examples of Jesus Christ would be found in the universe “is a heresy in Catholicism.”
The Vatican, through Funes, is supporting the idea that the incarnation of Christ is a unique event in Earth’s history tied in to humanity’s ‘fall’ and ‘original sin’. This idea was a major focus in Father Funes’ May 2008 interview which was titled “The extraterrestrial is my brother.” Funes said that intelligent extraterrestrial life may not have experienced a ‘fall’, and may be “free from Original Sin … [remaining] in full friendship with their creator.” This makes it possible to regard them as ‘our brothers’ as Funes explained:
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THANKS.
This is a serious article about a very real serious Vatican event—showing another incremental advancement of the whole field toward disclosure.
It’s clear that naysayers who decry such articles as hoaxes by con folks are most likely
1. Lying disinfo agents or
2. So stubbornly, cluelessly, rigidly, stubbornly biased that reality itself has no chance to even leak in through the cracks . . . or
3. Are obnoxious mean-spirited trolls who just enjoy trashing threads of those who sift and sort complex data sets 1,000% better than they do . . . or
4. Are so insecure and threatened by the possibilities that they have to dream up all manner of brazen distortions of reality in order to be able to sleep at night.
UFO AND END TIMES PING LIST PINGS.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh
The rabid doomsday ufo cultists have quacked, they are so out of their minds that anyone who disagrees with them are quite possibly “disinfo agents” LOL.
It seems the rabid cliques of clueless idiots who believe that aliens and humans are working behind the scenes on nefarious plots to take over the world and slaughter a billion people are quite PARANOID. Perhaps some of the reality naysayers are actually paranoid schizophrenics?
These NUTS are in grave danger of what I like to call a TYPE II ERROR, quite unavoidable and most certainly will go hand in hand with a TYPE I ERROR, no avoiding it I guess. I wonder how they deal with actual relationships with people, do they have to find others who share their delusional UFO Doomsday Cult beliefs? There’s really no debating this as I’m quite the expert in psychology, I’m able to make more progress in 3 months than others can in 9-12 months. As a matter of fact a shocking number of my Asian students professed a greater love for me than their own parents.
Apparently paranoid schizophrenics living in their own fantasy world are able to provide a decent living for science fiction writers who claim their fantasies are facts. I guess you could call that a positive.
The problem is I know some of these famous writers and they laugh all the way to the bank, so it’s not really fair how they take advantage of their mentally challenged customers. If the rabid cultists only knew what their heroes actually thought of them.
Shame, that.
Perhaps a Jr High science class could help you wrap some synapses around the
concepts of a
TYPE I and a TYPE II ERROR.
While likely miraculous, it is conceivable that knowing something the realities of a TYPE I and a TYPE II error COULD POSSIBLY result in sounding less clueless when writing about them.
ping
BTW, another common misperception . . . correction . . .
historically, most UFO books don’t make much money if they make any profit at all.
Another naysayer fallacy bites the dust in the face of the raw truth.
Is it the case that
1. you are clueless about the rules of FR and particularly of the Religion Forum
or is it that
2. you just think that you personally don’t have to live by the rules hereon?
I don’t believe in “aliens”.
I think this may be the “strong lie” sent upon us so that “if possible, even the elect may be deceived”.
This whole “disclosure” pile of crap is just another misdirection.
I live by my own rules...at least until 0 outlaws that, too.
If you don’t like it, snitch on me to the mods.
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