Posted on 11/22/2009 1:24:11 PM PST by NYer
OVER 4,000 Anglican priests all over the world, including married ones, are expected to join the Catholic Church, Bishop Matthias Ssekamanya announced on Friday.
Ssekamanya, who doubles as the chancellor of Uganda Martyrs University, said this does not mean that the Catholic Church is removing the requirement for priests to remain unmarried.
“We are not becoming soft on celibacy for Catholic priests. We shall also not tolerate homosexuals and polygamous marriages in the Catholic Church,” he added.
He was officiating at the 15th graduation ceremony of the Nkozi-based university.
Vatican officials announced that married Anglican priests would be allowed to remain in the priesthood on a case-by-case basis as they join the Roman Catholic fold.
The Vatican’s decision to allow Anglicans to keep some aspects of their liturgy had raised questions over whether the Catholic requirement for celibacy might change.
The Vatican this month released rules and guidelines, known as the Apostolic Constitution, as part of efforts to make it easier for disillusioned, traditionalist Anglicans to cross over to the Roman Catholic Church.
Under the Vatican’s initiative, Anglicans, turned off by their own church’s embrace of gay clerics, women priests and blessing of same-sex unions, can join new parishes, called ‘personal ordinariates’, that are headed by former Anglican prelates.
“There is no change in the Church’s discipline of clerical celibacy,” Bishop Ssekamanya re-affirmed. He praised celibacy as “a sign and a stimulus for pastoral charity”.
The ceremony had 236 students graduating with masters, 522 with bachelors, 13 with advanced diplomas, 212 with diplomas and 10 with certificates.
This story is apparently out of Uganda.
“We are not becoming soft on celibacy for Catholic priests.”
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Good news all around.
But....what?
Well Dr. Rowan Williams can keep gushing about how sharia in the UK is a good idea. He is so clueless.
The boys in the Vatican are far from perfect but they are the only force that has stood up to the cult of death for 1400 + years. The current Pope understands what is going on.
Would your choice be: (1) Disallow the communion with Rome?; (2) Disallow them from being priests?; (3) Have the priests annul their marriages first?; or, (4) Only allow the single ones to become priests?
COOL
He had a great comment when he met with the Pope. It was something to the effect that "The Anglican Communion is proof that people with differences can remain together."
In my RICA group was a married Methodist minister.
The Catholic Church has always accepted married priest under the Pope. It is Roman Rite priests who are barred from marriage after accepting priestly vows. Various other Catholic Rites do not bar ordained priests from marriage. Clergy from closely aligned denominations are permitted to join the Catholic Church as a married priest through special formation.
And yet the Roman Catholic Church in this country is the biggest private sponsor of Somali Mohammedan “refugees” and supporter of their demands for the implementation of Sharia law in such areas as finance and schooling.
“Scotty!! What’s left?”
“Various other Catholic Rites do not bar ordained priests from marriage.”
ALL “Catholic Rites” bar ordained priests from marriage; every last one of them.
Step one ... was this recent?
eastern rite Catholics who are married can become priests.
Roman Catholics who are married can only become deacons.
Roman Catholics will accept eastern rite priest who are converting. Hence married Roman Catholic priests.
Friend, visit the Vatican website.
1n 1990`s a Catholic parish east of San Francisco had a married Episcopalian priest as its pastor- so it is nothing new
The stinking liberal American Catholic Church sickens me. Somalis are the worst thing you could import into your country.
That is an amazing number.
The misunderstanding comes from this. A married man, though usually barred from ordination to the priesthood in the Latin rite of the Catholic Church, may be ordained to the diaconate, and may sometimes be permitted to be ordained a priest, and the general rule in the Eastern Catholic Churches is to permit married men to be ordained, even to the priesthood, although no married man in any of the Catholic Churches is ever consecrated to the episcopacy.
Conversely, a man who is not married and already ordained, even only as a deacon, may never validly marry (with the exception of men who are laicized and relieved from their promise of celibacy).
Married men can become priests.
Unmarried men who are already ordained may not subsequently marry.
sitetest
Additionally, a married cleric (deacon or priest) may not remarry if widowed.
This was about twelve years ago.
And of course you have some solid proof of this....
Perhaps the earlier post was worded awkwardly. Eastern Rite Catholic priests may marry. Roman (Latin) Rite Catholic priests may not marry but may be widowed and thus previously married. A married priest ordained in a denomination near to the Catholic Church, such as Episcopal or Lutheran, may be ordained a Roman Catholic priest but can never marry after vows. Married men may be ordained to the Deaconate but may not marry after accepting vows. Sometimes priests are released from their vows and subsequently marry. I am unaware of any Roman Catholic married man being ordained a priest in modern times. Marriage being defined as valid within the Catholic Church. I don’t know about elevations to bishops and such.
Please let me know if I erred!
Yeah not so much there, I beleive that ALL Eastern rites, (Byzantine, Eastern Orthodox, etc...., as well as some of the Oriental rites) allowed married Clergy.
You are aware that there are in the neighborhood of 19 or 20 different rites in the "Catholic" Church, only one of which is the "Roman" Rite I beleive that Eastern Orthodox is the only one one not fully in communion with the Catholic Church.
“Eastern Rite Catholic priests may marry.”
No, but married men may become Eastern Catholic priests.
In other words, once you’re a Catholic priest - of any sort - that’s it. If you’re not already married, you may not change that marital status. No one who is already a Catholic deacon, priest or bishop may subsequently contract a valid marriage.
“A married priest ordained in a denomination near to the Catholic Church, such as Episcopal or Lutheran, may be ordained a Roman Catholic priest but can never marry after vows.”
If the Church accepts such a man into the priesthood (and this is decided on a case-by-case basis), that’s correct. Such a man, already married, may be ordained. But he may never marry again, even if widowed.
“Married men may be ordained to the Deaconate but may not marry after accepting vows.”
Yes.
“Sometimes priests are released from their vows and subsequently marry.”
More or less.
sitetest
Hey NYER I found this on UK Times for Monday runs BIG EFFIN Deal Archibishop he claim Pope hurt his feelings
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article6927715.ece
Regarding priests and marriage, see post 22.
Thanks,
sitetest
Thanks I already knew that. 36 Grad hours at the seminary will do that for you.
An Easter Rite Catholic married man may be ordained a priest but no Catholic priest can ever marry.
“Sometimes priests are released from their vows and subsequently marry.” More or less???
That there are married clergy permitted in the Catholic Church is correct.
But your first assertion was incorrect, that the other poster was in error. But this is what he said:
“ALL ‘Catholic Rites’ bar ordained priests from marriage; every last one of them.”
You replied, “Yeah not so much there,...”
That was incorrect. I assume that perhaps you misunderstood what the other poster meant. He didn't say that there are no married clergy in the Catholic Church. He said that ordained priests are barred from marriage in all of the Catholic Church.
He is correct.
That's why I pointed you to my post. Not to dispute that there are married priests in the Catholic Church, but to point out that what the other poster was also true, and to make clear a crucial point:
Married men may be ordained, but ordained men may not subsequently marry.
sitetest
“And of course you have some solid proof of this.... “
Indeed I do. I’ve been on the receiving end of the bishops’ plans. Catholic Charities is the largest NGO provider of services to Somali Mohammedans in the United States. In places like Maine and Tennesee, priests, nuns and other fellow travelers of the Dioceses have been in the forefront of demanding special treatment for Mohammedan students in the nature of “prayer rooms” in pursuit of which, doubtless unwittingly, it is making common cause with C.A.I.R.. In the area of finance, it is encouraging non-profit economic development corporations and localities to make “Sharia compliant” loans to its Mohammedan wards.
Google Catholic Charities and Somalis. You’ll see what I mean.
“An Eastern Rite Catholic married man may be ordained a priest but no Catholic priest can ever marry.”
At least, no Catholic priest can marry and retain the clerical state. And he cannot validly marry if, upon being dismissed from the clerical state (that is, laicized), he doesn't also receive permission to be released from his promise or vow of celibacy.
I knew a priest once who wished to leave the priesthood (not because he wanted to get married). I remember the cardinal agreed to have the Church return him to the lay state, but pressured the man to continue with his promise of celibacy. One couldn't blame the cardinal, in that it was pretty apparent that the priest was homosexual, and thus, needed to be released from his promise like he needed an extra hole in his head.
But the priest was "in the closet," and being released from the promise of celibacy was his way of continuing to say to the world that he was heterosexual, in spite of the reality of the situation. I always chuckle when I think of this laicized priest.
“More or less.”
It's a quibble, but I've been told that diocesan priests don't usually take vows of celibacy, but rather make promises of celibacy to their bishop. In my own mind, the distinction is almost without difference, but I've seen others get upset when this distinction isn't made.
sitetest
“I beleive that Eastern Orthodox is the only one one not fully in communion with the Catholic Church.”
Gee, v, wrong again. The Eastern Orthodox Churches are particular Catholic churches. They are not in full communion with the Roman Catholic Church and those particular churches in communion with it. A number of the Oriental Orthodox Churches, virtually all of which are Monophysite, are similarly not in full communion with Rome.
Gee, v, wrong again. The Eastern Orthodox Churches are particular Catholic churches. They are not in full communion with the Roman Catholic Church and those particular churches in communion with it. A number of the Oriental Orthodox Churches, virtually all of which are Monophysite, are similarly not in full communion with Rome.
Yeah I was pretty sure that I was spot on. Might want to reasses your sources. BTW every other source on google has the same information.
http://www.angloindians.com/the-church/catholic-church/oriental-churches.html
Oriental Catholic Churches (Eastern Rite Catholic Churches) The Roman Catholic Church comprises 22 individual or sui juris Churches, all in full communion with the Church of Rome, forming the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. There is the Latin Church, and 21 Oriental Churches. The Oriental Catholic Churches are also known as Eastern Rite Catholic Churches. Each of these 21 Oriental Churches (Rites) has its own hierarchy, traditions, and practices. Major Oriental (Eastern Rite) Churches There are five major Oriental Churches or Oriental Rites, each of which has Sister Churches, taking the total number of Oriental Churches to 21. The five major Oriental rites are: Alexandrian Armenian Antiochene Byzantine Chaldean Note: The sixth major rite in the Catholic Church is the Roman (Latin) Church, which is non-Oriental. All 21 Oriental Churches are in full Communion with the Church of Rome. The 21 Oriental (Eastern Rite) Churches The Sister Churches of all the above five major Oriental Rites add up to 21 Oriental Churches in number. They are the following: Alexandrian Rite Coptic Catholic Church (Egypt) Ethiopian Catholic Church (Ethiopia) Antiochean Rite Syrian Catholic Church (Middle East, Americas, etc.) Maronite Catholic Church (Middle East, Americas, etc.) Syro-Malankara Catholic Church (Kerala in India) Armenian Rite Armenian Catholic Church (Middle East, Americas, Europe) Byzantine Rite Albanian Byzantine Catholic Church (Albania) Bulgarian Byzantine Catholic Church (Bulgaria) Byelorussian (Belarusian) Catholic Church (Russia, Greece, USA, etc.) Greek Byzantine Catholic Church (Greece, Turkey) Hungarian Byzantine Catholic Church (Hungary) Italo-Albanian Byzantine Catholic Church (Italy) Krizevei Catholic Church (Former Yugoslavia) Melkite Greek Catholic Church (Middle East, Americas, etc.) Romanian Greek Catholic Church (Romania, USA) Ruthenian Byzantine Catholic Church (Ukraine, USA) Ukrainian Catholic Church (Ukraine, USA, Americas) Russian Catholic Church (Russia, China, USA) Slovak Greek Catholic Church (Slovakia, Canada) Chaldean Rite Chaldean Catholic Church (Middle East, USA) Syro-Malabar Catholic Church (Kerala in India, India, USA)
“Yeah I was pretty sure that I was spot on. Might want to reasses your sources. BTW every other source on google has the same information.”
Sigh.... You were wrong again. The Armenians are Monophysite Oriental Orthodox and only a small number of them are in a church in communion with Rome. The Copts, the Ethiopian and Eritrean Orthodox, the Jacobite Syrian Christian Church and the Syriac Orthodox Church are also Oriental Orthodox. I think there may be one or two in India also. These churches comprise the overwhelming majority of Oriental Orthodox. None of them are in communion with Rome.
Once again Yeah, Not so much Oriental Catholic Churches (Eastern Rite Catholic Churches) The Roman Catholic Church comprises 22 individual or sui juris Churches, all in full communion with the Church of Rome, forming the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.
Did you actually look at what was written, or just have your usual knee jerk reaction?
bumpus ad summum
Here what UK Daily Mail dig up for Monday runs
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1230086/Catholics-set-task-force-huge-Anglican-exodus.html
Incorrect. Married men may be ordained as Priests in 21 of the 22 Churches sui juris which comprise the Catholic Church. Once ordained a single Priest may not then marry and remain in ministry, in all 22 Churches.
Clergy from closely aligned denominations are permitted to join the Catholic Church as a married priest through special formation.
Married Anglican ministers who convert to the Latin Rite and seek ordination may be ordained under the 1980 Pastoral Provision, on a case by case basis. Other married protestant ministers who convert to the Latin Rite and seek ordination can be ordained under a dispensation from the discipline of celibacy. In both examples the caveat is that should their spouse precede them in death they will then adopt the disciplne of celibacy for the remainder of their life. No agreement, no ordination.
There is no difference. Anyone who suggests otherwise is a liar.
or 5) Allow Anglican and Episcopalian priests to enter the Church, married or not, and, after appropriate education in Catholicism and the Catholic priesthood, allow them to be ordained as has been the case for decades now. Bishops would revert to priests if married and need a new ordination as priest and consecration as bishop if not married.
You're confused. An Eastern Rite Priest is a Catholic Priest. In order to change Rites within the Church one must receive permission from the Holy See. Priests, by and large, don't change Rites once they are ordained. An Eastern Rite Priest, or Latin Rite Priest, for that matter, may be bi-ritual meaning that he can celebrate Mass in accordance with two different Rites. Father Mitch Pacwa S.J. is one example.
Who was converting to Catholicism. For him to be ordained as a Priest or Deacon is a whole different matter.
Kind of an ironic statement coming from the Archbishop, considering the numbers of people beating it out the door of his churches, because of the changes he either instituted or hasn't argued against.
“Did you actually look at what was written, or just have your usual knee jerk reaction?”
No knee jerk reaction, just, I suppose, surprise at the deficiency of your seminary education. First you misstate the discipline of the entire Church on marriage after ordination and now you misstate the composition of The Church. Do you not understand that the Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox Churches are “Catholic Churches”? In fact, when we recite The Creed, we do so the way it was declared at the 1st and 2d Ecumenical Councils, which is to say without the later Western additions including the brand new one in the latest translation for use in English speaking countries. The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church is broader than the list you posted, v, as the Vatican has made quite clear. Its so broad that I can receive communion, so far as Rome is concerned, at one of your liturgies. Rome claims that the “fullness” of The Church is found in the group you listed but the rest of us disagree, an unfortunate result of Rome’s schism with the rest of the Patriarchates.
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