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Judge Romney By His Religion? I Do It, and So Should You.
Race 4 2012 ^ | November 30, 2009 | Alex Knepper

Posted on 11/30/2009 6:01:03 PM PST by delacoert

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To: rexgrossmansonlyfan; Enosh; Nosterrex
Actually I am wearing a nice blue stripped shirt today.

Come to think of it I don't have a “brown” shirt to speak of.

I will answer the rest of your ignorant blather later...

101 posted on 12/01/2009 5:57:52 AM PST by ejonesie22
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To: Elsie

Similarly, Romney has stated: “I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it…my faith is the faith of my fathers. I will be true to them and to my beliefs.”
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“the faith of my fathers...”

Polygamy, entitlement and anti-US government right down to his Dad, George...


102 posted on 12/01/2009 5:58:09 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: La Enchiladita

the holidays!!
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Christians call this time of year, CHRISTMAS


103 posted on 12/01/2009 6:01:42 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: rexgrossmansonlyfan

Only a leftist would equate a difference in opinion as “hate.” Sheesh.... Let the political correctness begin.

We want our country to be led by someone who is well grounded in Christ. We don’t believe that Mormonism teaches Christ who is God and the Holy Spirit - the Trinity. Mormonism does not teach nor believe this and so we who are Christian, must choose as a leader, someone who reflects our belief and hope for this nation. THAT IS THE BASIS OF FREEDOM! We are free to choose whatever criteria we wish to base our vote upon.

While Mormons can be nice people who do good, and can be fantastic businessmen, so can Muslims, Hindus, or Buddhists. But I must choose who to vote for. As for me, I’ll vote for a Christian, thank you very much. ;)


104 posted on 12/01/2009 6:01:59 AM PST by colorcountry (A faith without truth is not true faith.)
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To: ejonesie22

I have a pair of brown shoes...

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

The US Army wore brown shoes during WWII...

I’m good...

:)


105 posted on 12/01/2009 6:03:25 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: rexgrossmansonlyfan; delacoert
There is absolutely no difference between [Mormons] hating Romney Christians because he’s a mormon they're Christian and how nazis felt about jews. It’s exactly the same.

Fixed it for you.

Besides, no one said anything about *hating*. That's just the same tired old canard that gets whipped out every time someone exposes Romney's liberal politics. Opposing someone is not *hating* them. What whining.

106 posted on 12/01/2009 6:20:21 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: rexgrossmansonlyfan; restornu
There is absolutely no difference between hating Romney because he’s a mormon and how nazis felt about jews. It’s exactly the same.

Why did Joseph Smith hate the PRESBYTERIANS?

107 posted on 12/01/2009 6:35:05 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

108 posted on 12/01/2009 6:37:32 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: cripplecreek

Yes and the General also has prostate cancer.


109 posted on 12/01/2009 7:00:56 AM PST by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: delacoert
I see Romney first and foremost as a deceived cult member unable to discern between the lies of a charlatan and the Word of God.

Next I see him as a charlatan of a politician, deceiving those unable to distinguish between conservatism and liberal-socialist masquerades.

He is a gullible and deceived deceiver deceiving the gullible and deceived.

Other than that he's a nice guy.

110 posted on 12/01/2009 7:20:56 AM PST by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Skenderbej

It has to do with priorities. As important as worldly things are, such as who is the next POTUS, the most important has to do with eternal things, such as eternal life. Nations and governments rise and fall. If you believe that Mormonism is a false religion that leads to eternal death, then Mormonism is a greater threat than Islam. Do not fear those that can destroy the body, but fear Him who can destroy body and soul. There are many social issues in which I share with Mormons, such as pro-life and conservative principles, but these do not out weigh the most important issue, namely that Mormons worship a different God than Christians do. There is no similarity between the two.


111 posted on 12/01/2009 7:58:17 AM PST by Nosterrex
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To: rexgrossmansonlyfan

Nonsense.


112 posted on 12/01/2009 8:10:27 AM PST by delacoert
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To: Tennessee Nana
He had anyone that wasnt a mormon or who got in his way or had something he wanted to steal ...brutally murdered...

You just never get tired of the absurd lies, do you Nana?

Amazingly enough, you probably believe your own BS.

Do you know just how simple it is for anyone who cares to check, just how laughably false your rantings are?

You're becoming a sad joke.

113 posted on 12/01/2009 8:30:32 AM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: delacoert; restornu
I know there's some who don't want Romney because he's a Mormon.
It's also true that there are people trying to blame every criticism of him on hatred of Mormons.
They do this even when the criticism of him is reasonable.
114 posted on 12/01/2009 8:31:13 AM PST by novemberslady
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To: Elsie
Why did Joseph Smith hate the PRESBYTERIANS?

He did not hate the Presbyterians.

You're pulling the tired old, "Why haven't you stopped abusing your children?" type of "argument".

115 posted on 12/01/2009 8:33:39 AM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: Nosterrex

Muslims worship a different God than Christians and they desire all to worship their god or die.

Muslim before Mormon? LOL.


116 posted on 12/01/2009 8:38:58 AM PST by Skenderbej (People need to learn that no muhammadan practices his religion peacefully.)
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To: delacoert
I thought this article posted on HotAir to interesting & insightful

“posted at 10:30 pm on November 30, 2009 by Allahpundit

curious: not one of the initial publicly identified signatories of the Manhattan Declaration is Mormon…
“That degree of commitment might seem to entitle you to a seat at the table. But no. The framers of the Manhattan Declaration say they ‘act together in obedience to the one true God, the triune God.’ Mormons do not accept the concept of God as three-in-one…

“The next wave of social conservatism is presenting itself as a particularly Christian cause, with Christian defined in a way that would exclude not only Mitt Romney, but also the man who created Tiny Tim and Ebenezer Scrooge. (Charles Dickens was a Unitarian, not a Trinitarian.) For that matter, neither George Washington, nor John Adams, nor Thomas Jefferson, nor Abraham Lincoln was a believer in the Trinitarian God of the Manhattan Declaration…

“Mormon America has provided leadership and support for conservative politics out of all proportion to its numbers. If there’s a test for conservative identity that excludes Mormons, it’s not a good test. And if conservatism has shrunk too small to contain conservative Mormons, it is not only Mormons who will search for something bigger.”

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/30/quotes-of-the-day-212/

117 posted on 12/01/2009 8:41:25 AM PST by Reno232
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To: delacoert

As a fully recovered ex-mormon, where Romney goes to church is way down the list of things I find unacceptable in his candidacy for any office. At the top of that list is the stark reality that, aside from age, there isn’t alot of difference between Romney and McCain, and we all know how that worked out.


118 posted on 12/01/2009 8:42:28 AM PST by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: Skenderbej

At least people know that Muslims are not Christian. Does everyone know that Mormons are not Christian? Martin Luther once said that he would rather have a wise Turk (Muslim) for a prince than a stupid Christian. The point that he was making is that you do not have to be a Christian in order to be a secular ruler, such as a prince or a POTUS. There is a difference between the two kingdoms. My reservations about voting for a Mormon for POTUS is not based upon whether a Mormon is wise or not, but my concern is about those that might be lured into believing that Mormons are Christian.


119 posted on 12/01/2009 9:01:43 AM PST by Nosterrex
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To: Reno232

FOCUS kid..

Charles Dickens is dead and was English born and therefore ineligible to be POTUS..

George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln ...all Americans but dead...

None of them will be running for POTUS in 2012...

Williard Mitt Romney OTOH is old but still alive...glued together by Botox and hair dye...and is running for POTUS...

He is not a conservative...never has been...

He is not pro-life...never has been...

McCain at least was pro-life...

And I dont remember reading that Dickens, Washington, Adams, Jefferson, or Lincoln ever pushed abortions like Romney

or grabbed anyones guns like Romney,

or were draft dodgers like Romney,

Would you accuse General George Washington of being a draft dodger like Romney and his family ???

Romney is nowhere near the league of those honorable men...

I’m astounded that you would mention that craven coward and butcher Romney in the proximate of the names of men who were real men and patriots and who all had guts...


120 posted on 12/01/2009 9:02:15 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Psalm 144

That is quite a switch since when i was last active in church. What has caused this?

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The main inflence in those leaving the LDS is the internet. LDS conversion numbers, espeicially here in the US, peaked in the 1980’s and early 1990’s, before almost everyone had the internet. Information that previously was difficult to verify (LDS church leader quotes and Temple ordinances) is easily available.

Additionally, the internet has allowed ex-Mormons to share their stories and many believe that has made leaving the LDS feel less lonely. Often, there is a feeling that you are the only one going through this. Discussion boards and online support groups have changed that.

The Churches in Utah especially have become sensitive to the needs and problems of someone transitioning out of Mormonism, and their pastors have become more versed in the culture of Mormonism and how to help people.

Finally, there have been several new ministries to Mormons that focus on bringing the LDS to Christ rather than just telling of the problems of the LDS. These ministries help with the transition from Mormonism to Christianity.

I have several friends who are either in ministry to Mormons (via web, print, TV, and/or one on one) or who are pastors of Christian churches in the SLC to Provo area. They have seen a dramatic increase in the last 10 years or so formerly “active” Mormons leaving and coming to faith in Jesus alone. There are a couple of churches specifically designed to transition people out of Mormonism, explaining terms, dealing with family/friend loss, and using biblical context to explain theology.


121 posted on 12/01/2009 9:05:18 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Manic_Episode
see Romney first and foremost as a deceived cult member unable to discern between the lies of a charlatan and the Word of God. Next I see him as a charlatan of a politician, deceiving those unable to distinguish between conservatism and liberal-socialist masquerades. He is a gullible and deceived deceiver deceiving the gullible and deceived.

I've been saying this for the past few years -- especially the gullibility aspect:

My comments from past threads: When a candidate mislabels 75% of his voting base's primary faith tenets and claims & reduces them to mere "apostate" status--Note that LDS "Scripture" specifically labels the entire Christian church as "apostate"
and Note that 75% of people claim to be "Christians" in the more mainline/Protestant/Catholic sense--& frankly, this % is higher in the Republican party)...
...Then...
...he not only shows open disdain for his voting base, but betrays his ability to inspire confidence in his ability to accurately define a major world religion.
If he cannot accurately define a major world religion, what confidence does he inspire re: his ability to handle national security issues, terrorist issues, & negotiation issues pertaining to another world religion like Islam?

122 posted on 12/01/2009 9:08:06 AM PST by Colofornian (If you're not going to drink the coffee, at least wake up and smell it!)
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To: Reno232
As usual you combine two separate issues.

I know silly not to expect it since it serves the cause.

We accept LDS folks in the cause DESPITE our reservations about their faith. Indeed I said often during the Prop 8 fight I would gladly defend LDS folk if attacked by the lefties. So did others.

But when you use the faith as an excuse to promote the UNCONSERVATIVE, well that is where we part ways.

Mitt is barely even moderate.

Mitt happens to be Mormon.

Mitt is unacceptable.

Mike Huckabee is barely even a moderate and in some cases worse then Romney.

Huckabee happens to be Evangelical.

Huckabee is unacceptable.

There will be Mormons who will defend Mitt at all costs, including the reputation as Conservatives ignoring his obvious record and failure in that regard.

There will be Evangelicals who will defend Huckabee at all costs, including their reputation as Conservatives ignoring his obvious record and failure in that regard.

To there credit there will be both Mormons, and Evangelical (indeed a greater number of both) here on FR who will reject them both despite being religious peers.

See a pattern yet there Reno?

This is not about who we want at the table, it is about what those at the table will stand for POLITICALLY. Mitt being a Mormon does not now make socialized medicine and weak abortion stances part of Conservative thought.

Oh, to your credit you finally did actually post a link to something...

123 posted on 12/01/2009 9:08:26 AM PST by ejonesie22
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To: Enosh

I suspect an atheist POTUS would perform much better than either a Muslim or Mormon.

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At least you would know where they stand.

What concerns me about the Mormons is their tendency (even seen here on the Religion Forum) to spin their words (and even lie about their beliefs) in order to make the LDS Church or themselves look good.

I can easily see this tendency spilling over into politics. We already have had enough of lies and spin. We need an HONEST POTUS that we can trust. The more you know about Mormonism, the less you will trust them. Been there, done that.


124 posted on 12/01/2009 9:17:49 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Nosterrex
Martin Luther once said that he would rather have a wise Turk (Muslim) for a prince than a stupid Christian. The point that he was making is that you do not have to be a Christian in order to be a secular ruler, such as a prince or a POTUS. There is a difference between the two kingdoms.

True. And nothing stops Mormons from holding public office (look @ Congress -- Lds congressmen represent slightly above what the Lds population is nationally).

As far as the POTUS position holds, though, Luther didn't live in an era of global terrorism where...
(a) we need a POTUS who at least understands world religions -- and one who won't label 75% of his own country as "apostates" and creedally abominable -- as true-believing Mormons adhere to, Lds "scripture" wise...
(b) And it'd be nice if we had a POTUS running into Jack Bauer type of dirty bomb scenarios that he was actually on "dial" to accessing the right God to guide him through crisis situations -- not the wide "council of gods" among millions of gods that Mormons say exist out there in nethereverland -- gods who simply supposed "graduated" from manhood vs. being a God from eternity past.

125 posted on 12/01/2009 9:19:30 AM PST by Colofornian (If you're not going to drink the coffee, at least wake up and smell it!)
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To: Elsie

Why did Joseph Smith hate the PRESBYTERIANS?
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Either he tried to molest the daughter of a Presbyterian pastor and she told him no and/or told her Dad that Joey had tried to force himself upon her...

Her Dad run him off with the sight of his cocked gun...Joey Smith was a craven coward...

or both scenerios...

But either way Joey Smith was POed and talked ugly about Presbyterians and other pastors to get even..

Joey Smith hated Christians and invented a mormon god to hate them too...

Joey Smith had little respect for decency, other peoples property or anyone or anything that stood in the way of his idea of “fun” whether it was illict sex, stealing money, or control over gullible people..

Case in point: Joey Smith wanted Emma Hale because her father said he couldnt have her. Me Hale knew that Joey Smith came from a shftless lazy family who practiced the occult and that Joey was a con artist too..

Mr Hale was a good father who loved Emma and tried to protect his daughter from getting mixed up with the wrong type of guy...He advised Emma not to marry Joey...

Joey Smith saw this as a challenge...So he convinced poor Emma to run away with him...This was not a romantic elopement but the actions of a selfish creep who was ruled by his appetites..

Emma had a miserable life...Joey was so evil he even committed adultery with his floozies in Emmas own house...he ran a bar and sold his cohorts booze and drank it right in her parlor until she threatened to leave him...

Mr Hale must have been heart broken...too bad he hadnt done as the Presbyterian father had done...or the family who tarred and feathered him for trying to seduce their daughter and sister...

There was a way to take care of Joey and it wasnt with tolerance for his foul religion...


126 posted on 12/01/2009 9:23:51 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Reno232; delacoert
Manhattan Declaration

May be you missed the part that this was an assembly of Christian groups. Didn't include moslems, hindus or buddists either, so I guess you know where you fit in. If the mormons wish to set out their own declaration, go for it.

127 posted on 12/01/2009 9:26:55 AM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: reaganaut

Algore is an anti...

He invented the internet just to mess with the mormons...

The internet is no friend to mormonism...


128 posted on 12/01/2009 9:28:09 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Elsie; GOP_Lady

There is one fundamental question about which I’m often asked: “What do I believe about Jesus Christ?” I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the savior of mankind.

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What he left out is: ....Jesus is also

...my elder brother,

...a spirit brother of Satan,

...was conceived by God having sex with Mary,

....didn’t HAVE to die on the cross since he shed his blood in the Garden of Gethsemane,

...isn’t the ONLY High Priest,

...had to earn his Godhood

...and “saves” all mankind by letting them be resurrected since REAL heaven (the Celestial Kingdom) is only for us good Temple going Mormons.

Elsie, did I forget anything?


129 posted on 12/01/2009 9:30:13 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Elsie; GOP_Lady

Oh yeah, one more thing...

LDS believe (and their leaders have taught)

That Jesus was a polygamist.


130 posted on 12/01/2009 9:31:24 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Elsie; La Enchiladita
Perhaps they'll have a display that glorifies Joseph Smith; our Glorious Leader and Founder!

--MormonDude(I have nothing but PRAISE for that man!)

You mean like THIS?!

Joseph Smith Nativity

131 posted on 12/01/2009 9:45:36 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Godzilla; Reno232; delacoert
May be you missed the part that this was an assembly of Christian groups. Didn't include moslems, hindus or buddists either, so I guess you know where you fit in. If the mormons wish to set out their own declaration, go for it.

It's "funny." Here Joey Smith, junior, pimples & all...

#1 has a "vision" at age 14 or 15 (depending upon which account you read), supposedly telling him not to join any Christian sects.
#2 Then about 7 years later, he and his wife lose a child -- and in response begin membership classes @ the local Methodist church, which he takes for a while & was about to join the church.
#3 Only two people who knew Smith well as an "unsavory" character convicted in court in 1826 for "money looking" out him, aborting that process.
#4 Smith goes on to only LATER -- by 1833 -- say all these bad things about Christian sects supposedly given by a divine personage in that "first vision." None of it's EVER written down before then. (He waits a dozen years). So he rags on Christians as having 100% abominable creeds; 100% corrupt professing believers or leaders; and later labels them all as "apostates."
#5 And now we have Smith's disciples complaining that the Manhattan Declaration folks excluded the name-calling, creedal-putdowning Mormons.

I mean, who'd have known that the Mormons even wanted an invite from those "slimy apostates?" So tell ya what, Reno, when ya get it figured out who you want us as Christians to be identity-wise, fellow bros in Christ or apostates, just let us know. Otherwise, it continues to remain real confusin' to us. At least when Muslims call us "infidels," I have a sense of knowing where I'm at with them. With Lds, they keep wanting to play us both ways. That doesn't work in dating, courtship, marriage (despite our spiritual & physical ancestors attempt to prove elsewise), or faith coalescing.

132 posted on 12/01/2009 9:55:44 AM PST by Colofornian (If you're not going to drink the coffee, at least wake up and smell it!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

His lying is worse than merely being a jerk. He lied about being pro-life. He’s selectively whatever he thinks will manipulate his audience. His position on the wee ones varies based upon whom he’s trying to fool. He fooled me once. It will never happen again. Lying about pro-life is far worse than merely being a jerk ... and he is a jerk, also.


133 posted on 12/01/2009 9:58:11 AM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: rexgrossmansonlyfan; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet

We don’t hate the Mormons, we actually love them. It is MormonISM, the blasphemous theology and cult like behavior it requires that we hate.

BTW, the Nazi’s killed the Jews because the Nazi’s believed the Jews were an inferior RACE.

OTOH, we are trying to show the LDS the errors of their theology and bring them to the REAL Jesus (the one of the Bible), not hatred at all.

Finally, I don’t HATE Romney b/c he is LDS. I don’t TRUST him b/c he is LDS. I hate him b/c he’s a RINO.


134 posted on 12/01/2009 10:00:41 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: MHGinTN

Nana doesnt use strong language ...

My “jerk” would be something else from another FReeper...

Like his Mom and Dad werent married or something like that...


135 posted on 12/01/2009 10:02:51 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: reaganaut
I don’t HATE Romney b/c he is LDS. I don’t TRUST him b/c he is LDS. I hate him b/c he’s a RINO.

That needs to be said again, bump!

136 posted on 12/01/2009 10:08:10 AM PST by colorcountry (A faith without truth is not true faith.)
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To: Enosh

I’m wearing my Brown Shirt as I rfead this thread. SAo comforting don’tchaknow ... has a Remington tag on the pocket.


137 posted on 12/01/2009 10:09:35 AM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: Tennessee Nana; La Enchiladita

the holidays!!
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Christians call this time of year, CHRISTMAS

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Maybe she was referring to Joseph Smith’s Birthday. Merry Smithmas!

Here are some quotes by late LDS prophet Gordon B Hinkley. Notice how they are told to remember the birth of JS .

http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/44851/Advocate-of-the-Savior.html

At this time of year, the Christian world focuses on the birth of Jesus, ....

And certainly, we are aware of the great role that the Prophet of the Restoration, Joseph Smith, fulfilled in bringing to the world a greater understanding and knowledge of the Savior. Since the Prophet’s birth is commemorated Dec. 23, it often receives little attention. But what a happy circumstance of timing: the greatest advocate of the Savior known to this dispensation was born at Sharon, Vt., within 48 hours of that day in 1805 that Christendom observed the birth of Jesus Christ...

As we celebrate the birth of the Savior, we also remember the birth of the Prophet. It is because of him, and his singular and remarkable experience, that we know the Savior as we do. There is no event to compare with the First Vision...

“I look to him {Joseph Smith}. I love him {Joseph Smith}. I seek to follow him {Joseph Smith}. I read his words, and they become the standards to be observed in guiding this great Church as it moves forward in fulfilling its eternal destiny.”

Merry Smithmas!


138 posted on 12/01/2009 10:18:30 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: novemberslady; GOP_Lady

For several years now I have witness how the Saul Alinsky “Rules For Radicals” method is being used here to attack Romney should it be surprising that this religion be also included!

Is this not how the Marxist get there way?

Does it have little to do with preserving the Republic?

I say it ignores and makes a mockery of the Constitution!


139 posted on 12/01/2009 10:19:34 AM PST by restornu
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To: restornu
You can stop trying to include me in your little food fight now.
I'm not interested.
140 posted on 12/01/2009 10:25:09 AM PST by novemberslady
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To: delacoert
Those who swear they don't judge politicians on the basis of their faith is a liar.

I usually stay away from the Religious sub-forum but I can't let this comment stand. I don't care what religion he is. I care about what his political views are. Don't presume you know what I am thinking.

141 posted on 12/01/2009 10:25:15 AM PST by McGruff (We're Going Rogue Baby!)
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To: ejonesie22; aMorePerfectUnion
"We accept LDS folks in the cause DESPITE our reservations about their faith."

I find that quite interesting. FR is a politically conservative website established for the furtherance of conservative ideals. Yet, you & the cabal DAILY post threads &/or posts that have absolutely nothing to do w/ the furtherance of conservative ideals but rather to tear down a church or two that don't meet your religious litmus test. Kind of a strange way to accept folks into the cause don't you think?

I haven't said anything about Romney for some time now. During the last cycle, I thought he was the best viable candidate. He certainly has his warts. I don't know that I will back him this next time around depending on what the choices are. I will support the best viable candidate.

Your repeated assertion that LDS folk blindly support LDS pols is annoying at best, & disingenuous at worst. I don't believe there is a single LDS conservative here on this board that supports or makes arguments for Harry Reid, who happens to be LDS as well. I for one, am actively engaged in the overthrow of Reid in fact. So much for that red herring.

I don't begrudge those who don't support Romney. I think there is merit to many of the arguments against him. What I am against, is the non support simply because he is LDS. Does that exist? Ask Amoreperfectunion. He at least has had the intellectual honesty to admit he would never vote for a Mormon for POTUS, period. If you don't believe there are others that believe likewise here, then you probably believe you're doing a great conservative work in carpet bombing Mormons on a daily basis on the anti-Mormon threads.

Very conservative! /Sarc

The day you folks start spending far more time advancing REAL conservative causes here rather than brow beating your conservative brethren b/c of religious beliefs, is the day you may be taken more seriously.

There was a recent thread where conservatives took you guys to the woodshed over your paranoia w/ Mormons. Perhaps you should seek professional help. At the very least, perhaps it would be good to spend time on a conservative site like FR actually advancing the cause, rather than tearing it down through your malicious rants against conservatives that actually do work hand in hand w/ those that have different religious views. You know, kind of like our fore fathers did.

Some of the cabal here probably wouldn't have voted for Washington, Adams, Jefferson, or Lincoln simply because they weren't Trinitarians, or in other words, their view of "real" Christians. Boggles the mind frankly, especially conservative minds.

No wonder the Libs have so much success portraying the right as conservative loons. You guys often give them a lot of ammo. Got to prep for a bus. trip. Have a great week.

142 posted on 12/01/2009 10:39:30 AM PST by Reno232
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To: Reno232

Reno,
Hope this finds you well. We disagree on the false teachings of mormonism, but I consider you a friend in the cause.

Some feedback based on your post:

1. Fortunately, I didn’t have to worry about Romney’s involvement in the whole mormonism heresy, since he was a RINO. I could have safely not voted for him without any regard to his mormonism problem.

2. Washington, Adams, Jefferson, or Lincoln - I could have voted for these former presidents. Based on my extensive reading, they were not in cults. Nor would voting for them have elevated the legitimacy of a cult.

Ironically, America’s Great Contribution to Cults came much
later in her history - after the Great Awakening. In the wake of this spiritual event, a number of significant cults arose, including yours (mormonism), scientology, Christian Science, etc. It is a sad contribution of America to the world, but there ya have it.

In any case, Romney-ites have the freedom to run for office without regard to religion. Americans have the freedom to follow their conscience with regard to a host of issues, including religion. What a country!

I hope Romney runs again so I can vote against him. He dropped out before I got the chance the last time.

best,
ampu


143 posted on 12/01/2009 10:55:31 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Reno232; ejonesie22; aMorePerfectUnion
Amazing how the mormon crybaby effect begins. Mormons are not included with a group of Christians, who as part of their joint statement of faith profess belief the the Trinity. Waa waa go the mormons, why weren't we included . . . well perhaps because you don't believe in the Trinity, but a polytheistic hodge podge of gods and godhood progression that is completely anthetical to the bible.

Now the mittbots come crawling out of their holes - we're conservative too, mean old Christians leaving us out of the picture. News flash for ya Reno - conservatives are also found as hindus, moslems, gays, buddists, wicca, etc - are they doing the cry baby? (crickets) When will mittbots grow up and realize this perpetual whining and crying is not really endearing themselves to others out there and only draw attention to your weird neo-gnostic doctrines of a con man. It is not too difficult to understand, mitt is a rino with a slick hairdoo.

As I said before, if mormons want to make their own manifesto incorporating mormom doctrine - knock ur self out. But I can assure you Christian conservatives won't be crying and whining because WE weren't included.

144 posted on 12/01/2009 11:11:52 AM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Reno232
mopologetics

Hit and run....stop in long enough to whine about the poor little persecuted mormons, make veiled and unsupported allusions to the "cabal" being "taken to the woodshed", then as usual, have a convenient reason to run away.

145 posted on 12/01/2009 11:16:58 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (The House health care bill that is dropping contains the word “shall” 3,425 times...)
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To: delacoert

Sorry,

I view the guy as a socialist bordering on a marxist and oppose him for that reason. The only time I would even consider his religion would be if he was a muslim, simply because I see all the other religions as benign and not worth parsing.


146 posted on 12/01/2009 11:20:23 AM PST by myself6
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To: TChris; Tennessee Nana

Do you know just how simple it is for anyone who cares to check, just how laughably false your rantings are?

- - - - - - - - -

The truth about BY and the danites are available for anyone who wants to do the research. Go ahead and verify they sources, I have.

http://1857massacre.com/MMM/danites_index.htm

http://mormoncurtain.com/topic_danites.html

http://utlm.org/topicalindexa.htm#Blood%20Atonement

http://www.utlm.org/booklist/titles/reminiscencesofearlyutah_ub021.htm

http://www.utlm.org/newsletters/no106.htm

http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/bancroftshistoryofutah_chapter5.htm

And the book by Will Bagley (LDS) called “Blood of the Prophets”:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/search?index=books&linkCode=qs&keywords=0806136391

http://books.google.com/books?id=eakce2R_mdkC&dq=books+on+LDS+blood+atonement&printsec=frontcover&source=in&hl=en&ei=5mwVS-TJCs7vlAfikMHGBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=14&ved=0CD4Q6AEwDQ#v=onepage&q=books%20on%20LDS%20blood%20atonement&f=false


147 posted on 12/01/2009 11:24:53 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: TChris; Elsie

Why did Joseph Smith hate the PRESBYTERIANS?

He did not hate the Presbyterians.

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No, he just went around saying they were an corrupt and their creeds abomination before God. But to be fair, he said that about ALL Christian Churches.


148 posted on 12/01/2009 11:32:41 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Reno232; ejonesie22; aMorePerfectUnion; Godzilla; greyfoxx39
RENO RENO RENO!!!

Wow!!!

So what are you doing to further the Conservative cause, huh?

Look at your posts just in the past couple of months, all of them to LDS threads.

Look at the man you wanted for POTUS, one you supported whilst calling yourself a CONSERVATIVE.

Romney would further Conservative goals?

And it was more than just simply you supporting the most viable candidate, you defended him and his health care plan (the biggest “wart” of all) in an exchange with me one time. I am sure there were others.

Irony and comedy, just to gifts you bring to the table.

149 posted on 12/01/2009 11:35:24 AM PST by ejonesie22
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I hope Romney runs again so I can vote against him.
______________________________________

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

You hater you...


150 posted on 12/01/2009 11:41:30 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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