Posted on 12/08/2009 11:49:18 AM PST by Salvation
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Annual commemoration of Mary's visit to her kinswoman Elizabeth. First celebrated by the Franciscans in 1263 at the initiative of St. Bonaventure. Then, during the Western Schism, it wqas extended to the whole Church by Popes Urban VI (reigned 1378-89) and Boniface IX (reigned 1389-1404) to obtain an end to the schism. the feast is now celebrated on May 31.
"And Mary went there in haste."
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Feast of the Visitation (of the Blessed Virgin Mary to Elizabeth) [Ecumenical]
SEASON OF ANNOUNCEMENT - Sunday Dec. 3, 2006 -The Visitation of Mary to Elizabeth
HOMILIES PREACHED BY FATHER ALTIER ON THE FEAST OF THE VISITATION FROM 2001-2005
Jesus taught that abortion is wrong while He was in the womb of Mary. (Luke 1)
The Visitation of the Blessed Virgin Mary
Today is the Forefeast of the Conception by St. Anna of the Most Holy Theotokos in Orthodoxy.
I know — the Immaculate Conception. It all comes before the Visitation. But don’t you celebrate the Visitation at a different time than the Romnan Catholic Church does?
“I know the Immaculate Conception.”
Not for us. We do not subscribe to the dogma of the Immaculate Conception as it seems to us to be a Christological heresy unknown to the consensus Patrum (unknown even to +Thomas Aquinas).
“But dont you celebrate the Visitation at a different time than the Romnan Catholic Church does?”
Yes, on March 30th...just short of nine months before the Feast of the Nativity. It is a relatively recent feast, dating only back about 150-200 years IFRC. Do you know when the Latin Church started celebrating it?
Apart from the Visitation, the Franciscans were pro-Immaculate Conception and the Dominicans, including Aquinas, were anti- .
My observation is that the Franciscans and Dominicans were all me.
Well, FReep. That is to say, they were all MEN. Time to take my infestation of the typso-virus to the sofa to commune with catz.
I wasn’t aware of this difference surround the Immaculate Conception. Was that part of the split with the Roman Church and the Orthodox Church?
“I wasnt aware of this difference surround the Immaculate Conception. Was that part of the split with the Roman Church and the Orthodox Church?”
So far as I know, the what (the IC) was then at best a Western theologoumennon played no role in the Great Schism. It will certainly be problematical in any Great Council called to heal the Schism as we believe that it is profoundly heretical as denying the two natures of Christ.
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