And Merry Christmas to so-called Christians who lie for Jesus.
Posted on 12/09/2009 8:42:32 AM PST by greyfoxx39
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Except for Jesus who for some reason was exempt as well as the Holy Spirit
Poelman was not invited to speak in general conference again for four and a half years.
It took that long to get the tread marks out after being thrown under the bus?
He evidently got the message...
Mormonism is not Christianity...
While Christians worship Jesus as the coming King at Christimas time...and display the Baby Jesus in the manger..
Mormons worship Joey Smith and display a cradle in a cabin for him...Jesus is not mentioned...
Christians sing Christmas Carols...about the birth of Jesus..
mormons sing “Praise the man” about Joey Smith...
And then there’s Easter...
So Merry Smithmas to all the mormons...
And Merry Christmas to the Christians...
The cough track idea was an important revelation no doubt.
You know, people often accuse us of altering lds history in a misleading manner. Yet are blissfully ignorant when their very own church in reality alters history right under their noses. In this case the lie is more important the the truth.
This whole article is an eye-opener regarding the "free agency" of mormonism. Couldn't be any plainer, IMO.
Indeed, speak of 'free agency' and have your speach re written and retaped with pseudo crowd noises.
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So are you saying the Mormon Church plays fast and loose with doctrine?
Nah, it's that "continuing revelation" thingy, ya know? If dacktrin is inconvenient after a few dozen decades, like blacks isn't worthy, and pligamy is a no-no, it is "revealed" that what you aksually heard wasn't what you reely heard....sometimes, it doesn't take but a few days for the revealin'.
I remember when I was LDS, listening to General Conference and someone making a point I thought was really interesting and wanted to remember, so I made a note about it.
I don’t remember what the point was, but I do remember being excited when the “Conference issue” of the Ensign came out so I could look up the talk. I re-read the talk over and over again, and couldn’t find the point. I was puzzled and irritated.
As LDS members we are taught these talks are the “word of the Lord” for the Church. To see it changed above, so drastically, is an eye opener. Did God change his mind in between the time the talk was given and published?
My old pastor publishes his sermons in audio format, and he has never done this.
And why the “cough track”? That seems dishonest.
Tadpole, you are forthright in your answers (which I admire very much), what is your take on this?
So are you saying the Mormon Church plays fast and loose with doctrine?
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Well getting most LDS (including the Leadership) pinned down on what exactly IS doctrine, is like nailing jello to the wall.
Even “official” doctrine changes at the drop of a hat, without official revelations. Both polygamy and the blacks and the priesthood have been changed by “manifesto”s not a “thus saith the Lord”.
Add to that the vast “lay theology”, things that are believed and taught by LDS members, and even taught by the General Authorities in talks, sermons or books, that is considered accepted as doctrine my many (if not most) rank and file LDS, will all of a sudden be considered “not doctrine” if it embarrasses the LDS or is used against them.
I cannot count the number of times that I was taught something while LDS, both at Church and BYU, that all of a sudden became “we don’t believe that” to gentiles.
Fast and loose? Yeah, like a hooker down at the red light district.
In another time I was an elders quorum president faced with teaching a class not paying attention. The 4th Sunday these days is "teachings for our times" where the bishop or stake president selects a general conference talk for the lesson.
We tried all kinds of things to encourage participation and having folks read the lesson ahead of time. Things like treats for those that read the lesson before church, and making sure the lesson schedule was published.
One thing I regularly did was send an email with a link to the video version of the talk we were to discuss. And in my personal prep, I would watch the talk online while reading and highlighting the published text. It quickly became a game of "find the Easter egg." I would point out while teaching the lesson where the text changed from the video.
So yes, I have noticed, and the elders in my ward at the time also had no choice but to notice.
The explanation I have heard (and that I accept) is that the talks are approved ahead of time by the first presidency, and sometimes the delivery varies from the approved version.
Now, is this variance caused by add-libbing? Or willful disobedience? Or are corrections second-thoughts, made after delivery? I don't really know, and suspect all of these reasons and more.
Are they caused by an attempt to hide things from the lay members? Nah, not any more. Too many people can easily find for themselves these situations.
So says orthodox Christians.
While Christians worship Jesus as the coming King at Christimas time...and display the Baby Jesus in the manger..
Mormons worship Joey Smith and display a cradle in a cabin for him...Jesus is not mentioned...
You know, I saw that picture the other day. It was funny to me. I am pretty sure where ever that is, that at Christmas time there is appropriate Christmas decorations.
My wife is insane. She has at least 15 or so nativity scenes around the house. She kept about 5 of them up all year long.
So no, we don't worship Joseph Smith. We do revere him as our first prophet and the restorer of the Gospel of Christ. But we do not worship him, regardless of what you may suggest below.
Christians sing Christmas Carols...about the birth of Jesus..
mormons sing “Praise the man” about Joey Smith...
Maybe once in December, near his birthday. But Mormons also sing Christmas Carols. We do have them in our hymnal. I count 14 of them. I happen to have the list of hymns for our ward's sacrament meeting for this month.
Dec 6th - O #203 Angels We Have Heard on High, S - #181 Jesus of Nazareth, Savior and King, C - #213 The First Noel
Dec 13th - O - #212 Far, Far Away on Judea's Plains - S - #O Savior, Thou Who Wearest a Crown - Special Music (mens quartet singing Away in a Manger) - C - #209 Hark, The Herald Angels Sing
Dec 20th - O - #201 Joy to the World - S - #Jesus, Once of Humble Birth - Primary (3songs) - Ward Choir (The First Noel and Hark! the Herald Angels Sing) - C - #204 Silent Night
Dec 27th - O - #134 I Believe in Christ - S - #193 I Stand All Amazed - I - #202 Oh Come, All Ye Faithful - C - #217 Come, Let Us Anew
Sure looks like we sing Christmas Carols. Of course, you have to pretend otherwise, or you wouldn't be able to make these false claims.
Then again, you just admitted that Mormons are Christians, since only "Christians sing Christmas Carols." Oops. :)
And then there’s Easter...
Where we sing two or three of the four Easter Hymns in our Hymnal - 197 O Savior, Thou Who Wearest a Crown, 198 That Easter Morn, 199 He is Risen!, 200 Christ the Lord is Risen Today.
Oh, were you suggesting something else here?
So Merry Smithmas to all the mormons...
And Merry Christmas to the Christians...
And Merry Christmas to so-called Christians who lie for Jesus.
You know, I saw that picture the other day. It was funny to me. I am pretty sure where ever that is, that at Christmas time there is appropriate Christmas decorations.
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That picture was taken in the BYU admin building in Dec. 2005, and the “JS nativity” as we call it, was in lieu of traditonal Christmas decorations.
Although, I do not doubt there are more “tradtional” Christmas decorations around campus, I do not remember ever seeing a nativity scene on campus (but I could be wrong).
The point nana was trying to make (I think) is that while Christmas IS a part of LDS culture, there is also (especially in Utah) an over enthusiasm for Joesph Smith’s birthday (Dec. 23).
I remember the first year I was in Utah, I was shocked that the ward had a “Happy Birthday, Joseph” party instead of a Christmas one. Others have pointed out that close to Christmas, there is many mentions of JS’s birthday (even over Christmas) in ward newsletters, programs and the like, even to the point of ward talks focusing on Joseph’s birth a couple of days before Christmas, rather than the birth of the Savior. I am sure you can see how that would be disturbing and/or bothersome to someone outside the LDS.
Many I know have commented (LDS and Ex-LDS) that is seems JS is more important this time of year than Christ.
T. P. Pole: So says orthodox Christians.
Seen posted multple times elesewhere on FR by Salt Lake City Momons: "fLDS aren't Mormons" (paraphrased)
So T.P., who defines the real religion?
If Orthodox Trinitarian Christians can't define Christianity, who can? Not an outsider for sure.
If outsiders make the definition, then you, by your own standards, have to see the fLDS as your brothers and sisters in Mormonism.
Now, since you want to play Christian, do you agree with Mormon teaching that:
-God had sex with Mary
-There are multiple "gods" and you yourself want to be one one day?
-That you are saved by works, with Jesus just cleaning up your act a bit?
-People can be converted after they die, and therefore you participate in creepy baptismal ceremonies?
Sorry FRiend, blaring Christmas music, putting up a tree with lights and displaying nativitiy scenes out doesn't make one a Christian. That's no different than putting a bicycle in the garage and calling it a car.
And Merry Christmas to so-called Christians who lie for Jesus.
So says orthodox Christians.
Flds folks ain't MORMON!!
So says SLC headquarters...
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