Skip to comments.How To Reform Islam
Posted on 12/10/2009 1:52:07 PM PST by knighthawk
There is no discussing Islam without discussing the Moderate Muslim. Like the Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus, the Moderate Muslim is often a topic of conversation, but rarely has much to say about himself. And even those who note that the Moderate Muslim is somewhat less in evidence than the Dodo or the Mammoth, turn instead to the project of reforming Islam.
It is of course possible to reform Islam. It is also possible to reform a serial killer. It is however not likely, and certainly not safe to stake your serial-killer prevention strategy on letting the serial killer run free, while you try and talk to him about the virtues of not cutting off people's heads and wearing their skin.
For over a thousand years Islam has been the serial killer of world civilization, decimating entire cultures and religions, practicing ethnic cleansing, genocide, terrorism and endless war. Islam is currently involved directly or indirectly in conflicts or terrorism on virtually every continent. Modern Islamist movements have fused the modern tools of war from IED's to Lawfare to Social Media, with ancient fanatical beliefs blended with the leavings of National Socialism and Communism to create a global killing machine.
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The moderate Communist is also a mythical creature. You know, all of the eggheads who insist that it is wrong to decry the 100,000,000 people who’ve been killed by Communist nations in the 20th Century because that wasn’t “real” Communism?
I have an article of my own. It’s a bit shorter and my solution will work better. I’ll post it in its entirety right here.
Conquer their lands and convert them to Christianity.
Wait. Better not publish that one... someone will get me for plagiarism. But it’s still the only idea that will work.
My solution: The world should allow Muslims to live only in Muslim, Islamic countries. All Muslims currently living in the West would be required to return to their native, ancestral Muslim countries, and stay. Once they have all returned to their Muslims homelands, they should not be allowed to leave. They can travel, but only to other Muslim countries. There should be a quarantine on them, as if they had a contagious, fatal disease, which they do. We have granted them the privilege of living in the West, but they are not grateful, indeed, in return, they want to kill us and take over our countries. They have betrayed our hospitality, and our generosity, and it is time for them to go home and stay there.
And what of the people who want to exercise their God given right to a freedom of religion? It was a founding principle of this nation. Islamic theocratic rule discriminates.
How many of the world’s 1 billion muslims even had a choice in that decision?
The lands were inhabited by persons of other faiths before they were conquered by Islam.
Is Indonesia a muslim land? Is Spain? How about Michigan? Egypt?
Now there’s the only version of ‘No’ that they’ll understand.
Islam is a disease. You don’t negotiate with cancer. You can’t reason with the plague.
As he says, how can you reform a religion when all of its worst and most violent teachings go right back to Mohammed—who was a murderer, rapist, slaver, oath breaker, pederast, bully, liar, and general all-around vile human being.
Yet they consider him to be the best man who ever existed, the perfect model for all good Muslims to imitate.
Yes, from time to time Christians have acted badly, sometimes even in the name of Christianity. But they didn’t get that by imitating Jesus. Jesus didn’t carry a sword and use it to cut off heads, or to conquer, enslave, rape, and murder people. There is a basic and irresolvable difference between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
To go into greater detail than my flippant last post, reform of Islam really is outright impossible.
The core concept of Islam is that the non-Muslim world is in rebellion against Allah, largely because of ignorance. That which is against Allah is seen to be working contrary to the natural order. The entire purpose of Islam is to work so that all things might be submitted to the “Will of Allah” in the end. The Laws of Men must ALWAYS be subject to Shariah - the Laws of God. There is no room for compromise on this - if you ask a moderate Muslim whether they wish to live under Shariah Law they will invariably answer yes, every bit the same way if you ask a Christian whether they wish to live under the direct rule of Jesus Christ. The religion is called “Islam” - “Submit to God” - and that is the sort of submission they mean.
You can often reform nonessential particulars of a religion but it is impossible to reform a religion’s essential core itself. The only “reform” that is possible is the reform of society itself. Since spreading Christianity at gunpoint is very ill advised, pretty much the only option is to secularize their societies through media and commercialism so that they slowly care less and less what their religion teaches. Sure, the Islamicists will lash out but they will lash out against their own society, not ours, and their own society will impose the penalties on them.
I really feel that is the only answer. We pretty much have to do to them what liberals have been doing to us all these years. Maybe we can find a way to send some of our own liberals over there to help with the process.
“By turning up the temperature and making life hard for Islam in the West, we can force some reforms, out of necessity, if not out of moral conviction.”
Sultan is right on...we had better start this effort soon....stop treating islam as a religion, when in fact it is political ideology.
A very well thought out moderate plan. I salute you!
The appropriate response of any civilization that wishes to continue unharmed by the midaeval monstrosity that is Islam should be this:
“Threaten our civilization in any way and yous is forfeit.”
Then back it up by treating Islam as the vile plague that it is: eradicate it on the slightest violation of those terms. It wouldn’t take long for the sons of Mohammed to cross that line, would it?
Sultan Knish, haha, great name.
He sure can write and tells it like it is. Printing out now.
Next really dumb proposal...
Islam will not reform as the Koran says that man change Allah’s words. We need to protect ourselves by ending all Mosque Construction and Muslim immigration.
YUSUFALI: Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers.
In reference to your picture I have but one thing to say......”Clear your cards....we have a good bingo!!!!!! ;^)
Uh, there is more to this than a headline. Reading the article is essential to making commentary.
I don’t think it’s possible to reform a middle-eastern death cult cleverly disguised as a religion, but if they would stop all violence, hate, intolerance and coercion we might be able to live alongside them.
Uh, I did. I was just putting that info out there for those that believe Islam can or will reform.
Have a nice day.
I certainly don't believe that and that's why I was drawn to READ the article and ping others to do the same. Okay, never mind, you have a nice day too.
QUESTION. Where should we “nuke’ first? They are everywhere. The population of the US is what? And we can barely afford a 30,000 man surge? Seems we have a problem. Perhaps we as a country would be a lot better off if we quit being a defense umbrella to every socialist nanny state in the world.
To even consider such courses of action wastes time at best, and at wost, allow the infection to fatally overtake the host. Not to mention tagging the one attempting the intellectual exchange with a malignant growth as untrustworthy and devoid of sound judgment.
Islam is a malignant polyp in the rectum of humanity.
It was not aimed at you. No big deal, just an Internet misunderstanding. :)
Surviving trumps PC every time.
“Conquer their lands” Yes. Just like the old days it seems that we should also be able to KEEP the land what we conquer. It would be a waste to nuke it. http://www.flickr.com/photos/35663537@N00/tags/swat/
That is not my problem, it is not our problem. I don’t want to see MY country attacked again, or changed by them. Islamic theocratic rule discriminates, indeed. Freedom of religion was a founding principle of our nation, but not theirs. And we can’t give it to them as a principle because it defies the central idea of their faith. WE CANNOT SAVE THE WORLD. I don’t care what happens in Indonesia, or Egypt. People there who are not Muslims would be able to leave, under my solution. The Muslims need to be forced to marinate in their own hateful religion until something changes. They should not be allowed to use our Western nations as a pressure valve. And Spain did what it had to do to take care of the problem, winding up the task in 1492, when they finally defeated the last Moorish king of Andalucía and purged their country of the remaining Moors. Under my solution, Michigan would revert to what it was earlier, because the Muslim plague would have to leave and return to its native hell holes.
Yup. We are on the verge of PCing ourselves out of existence.
To neutralize the first two reasons, we have to change ourselves first, rather than changing Islam. Only if we cease to appease and tolerate Islamism, is Islamization likely to falter.
Islam can never "reform," because reforming implies that there was something good there to begin with, but that somehow it got lost over time. With Islam, there was never anything at all that was good in any way. It spread through violence and fear, simply because it came along at a time when the Roman Empire had collapsed and there was nobody to protect these divided and often warring ME kingdoms. In addition, the Middle Eastern propensity for strange heresies meant that Christianity was very fragmented there, and the collapse of civil society made it hard for the authorities of either the Eastern or Western Church to have much impact or offer much support or protection.
In short, there was nobody at that time to oppose Islam, and once it had picked off the weaker kingdoms and societies, it kept on pushing at anything that didn't fight back hard enough. The only way to make Islam "reform," in the sense of calming down enough so other people can share the world with it, is to fight it and keep it intimidated. Islam creates poverty and ignorance wherever it goes, and has survived only by attacking and sucking the lifeblood out of more advanced cultures. Prevent it from overcoming these cultures - by neither appeasing nor tolerating - and it will probably eventually wither and die. But in the meantime, if we're firm, it won't be a threat.
Right now, however, it's a major threat because the West is not firm at all, and the major anti-Islamist power, the US, now has a Muslim or Muslim sympathizer president. This does not bode well.
CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS? (This is certainly ‘food-for-thought’. What do you think?)
This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish
And send it on to everyone. Maybe this is why our American Muslims are
So quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities. Can a good Muslim be
A good American?
This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
The following is his reply:
Theologically - no. . . . Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon
God of Arabia.
Religiously - no. . . Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah
Except Islam (Quran, 2:256)(Koran)
Scripturally - no. . . Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of
Islam and the Quran.
Geographically - no . Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he
Turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially - no. . . Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make
Friends with Christians or Jews .
Politically - no. . . Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual
Leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America,
The great Satan.
Domestically - no. .. . Because he is instructed to marry four Women and
Beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34 )
Intellectually - no. . Because he cannot accept the American
Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the
Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically - no. . . . Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does
Not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot
Co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually - no. . . Because when we declare ‘one nation under God,’
The Christian’s God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to
As Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran’s 99
Therefore, after much study and deliberation.... Perhaps we should be
Very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. - - - They obviously
Cannot be both ‘good’ Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish
it’s still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand
This, the better it will be for our country and our future.
The religious war is bigger than we know or understand. ....
Mohammad was a whore to his own self-aggrandizement...much like Obama....
It’s been said before...”Kill ‘em all and let God sort ‘em out.....
Mecca, Medina, and Qom would do for a start.
The population of the US is what?
Over 300 million last I checked.
And we can barely afford a 30,000 man surge? Seems we have a problem.
That is a failure of will, not of ability. And I hasten to add we won't need a whole lot of boots on the ground to reduce those cities and others to ashes.
Perhaps we as a country would be a lot better off if we quit being a defense umbrella to every socialist nanny state in the world.
You'll get no argument from me.
Now, how many muslims are islamist?
I suspect ALL of them once called to jihad.
Yes, Islam is the scourge of the earth for over a thousand years. But like in most countries now days few people actually practice the religion they are in.
The majority of those that are Muslims dont even practice it and would rather not live in a theocracy hell hole. Those that do practice the religion has labeled them stupid or dumb Muslims
These are the people we should deal with that call themselves Muslims.
The short answer is that like Nazi rule, Islamic theocratic rule must come to an END. Islam itself can continue, go worship a meteor, the moon, etc. fast. Whatever. But no lording it over people of other religious faiths in legal courts. No restriction on others religious freedoms. No death sentences for nonmuslims who dare enter Islam's segregated cities and no death sentences for muslims who leave the cult.
It is a basic violation of civil rights and we only postpone yet another Islamic imperialist war for a future generation. Hint, the battle has waged for over a thousand years.
There ya go. That or the Orkin man.
How many muslims speak out against the religous discrimination in Saudi Arabia? I mean they all bow to Mecca 5 times a day every day. All around the world. You’d think it should cross their minds at least once in awhile that the lands they are in practicing Islam in are far more tolerant than Saudi Arabia is of anyone (even native citizens) practicing any other faith.
They can’t float the “that’s not real Isalm” schtick. It is the capital of the Islamic empire. Millions of muslims make the pilgrimage there every year. It is a requirement of the faith.
But deafening silence on the wrongs perpetrated in their name.
It’s like trying to denounce Hitler but protect Nazism as a “legitimate” political system. Islam is a system of governance, not strictly a religion. Wrong in principle.
The religion can remain but the system of legal rule must be tossed on the scrap heap of history.
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