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The Messiah in Hanukkah - Messianic Significance of Chanukah
The Ignorant Fishermen Blog ^ | 12/12/09 | Robin Sampson

Posted on 12/12/2009 11:55:39 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman

The law did not require Jews to be at the Temple in Jerusalem, as this was not one of the pilgrimage festivals. Every one observed it in his own place, not as a holy time. Jesus was there that He might improve those eight days of holiday for good purposes.

Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon’s porch when the Sadduciens asked him “How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ tell us.” They pretended to want to know the truth, as if they were ready to embrace it; but it was not their intention. Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me (John 10:25-27). He had told them, and they believed not; why then should they be told again, merely to gratify their curiosity?

Miracles

Hanukkah’s theme is of a miracle. During Hanukkah Jesus spoke of His miracles: If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him (John 10:37-38).

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TOPICS: General Discusssion; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: hanukkah; jesus
Some neat insight from a Jewish perspective.
1 posted on 12/12/2009 11:55:39 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Interesting. Thanks for posting.


2 posted on 12/12/2009 12:00:35 PM PST by GOPPachyderm
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
Hanuka celebrates the victory of the uprising against Greek rule. The alter of temple sacrifice was being defiled with abomination by the Greek rulers. The family, Maccabees led the overthrow of the defilers and the re sanctification of the temple in Jerusalem. This prepared for the coming of our Lord many years later.

The miracle of the lights was that in the freed the temple there was only enough olive oil for one day. It would take many days to get the proper oil. In fact the oil for one day, lasted for 8 days. A sign that there is always the light available to shine from the Wonderful One within us.

3 posted on 12/12/2009 1:41:40 PM PST by Armaggedon
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To: Armaggedon
It was an awesome victory and miracle for sure.
4 posted on 12/12/2009 4:10:03 PM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman (The TRUTH will set you Free..... Republic)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Chanukah is a great time for followers of the Jewish Messiah to celebrate.
The eight day Feast of Chanukah echoes of the eight days of the Feast of Tabernacles
It was most likely when the "light of the world"
(John 8:12) entered human form and tabernacled among us.

Feast of Tabernacles is the birth day of Yah'shua.

This question is answered when you believe and trust
the Holy Word of Elohim in Luke 1.

Yah'shua's birth on Sukkot
(Sukkot is the Feast of Tabernacles or booths,
where we live in temporary shelters.
Sukkot is when YHvH took on a temporary
garment to be with His People
and to die as the Lamb of G-d on Pesach
in order to bring salvation to all
who would call on His Name:
(Romans 10:13 & Joel 2:32)
Yah'shua ( YHvH is become my salvation)).
Ps. 18:2, 46; 27:1; 35:9; 38:22; 88:1;
118:14; 119:174; 140:7; Isa. 12:2; 56:1;
61:10; Mic. 7:7; Hab. 3:18

Sukkot as the date is supported by Elizabeth's
pregnancy of John the Immerser.
The time sequence is outlined by the
Holy Word of Elohim in Luke 1 with Zacharias.

Zacharias served as a high priest and
based on his tribe, we know when he served
(1 Chronicles 24:7-18) and when he was
struck dumb and when John was conceived.

John would have been born on Pesach.
Most Jews believed that Elijah
would come at Pesach to announce
the coming of the Messiah (Malachi 4:5).

Factor in when Miriam visited her cousin Elizabeth,
Elizabeth was six months pregnant (Luke 1:26)
Thus the timing of Yah'shua's birth can be ascertained.

John (1:14) tells us that Yah'shua was made flesh
and tabernacled among us.

The word "dwelt" in the Koine Greek is:

σκηνόω Strong's G4637 - skēnoō
1) to fix one's tabernacle,
have one's tabernacle,
abide (or live) in a tabernacle (or tent),
tabernacle
2) to dwell

Eight days after the beginning of Sukkot is
another Holy Feast Day called Shemini Atzeret.

Eight days after a Jewish male is born he is circumcised.

After the Eighth day comes the the most Joyous day:
Simchat Torah or
the rejoicing in the Torah (The Word of Elohim).

Nine months back from Sukkot is Chanukah
where the light entered the temple.

Biblical Dates for the Birth of Yochanan the Immerser
and for the Conception and Birth of Yeshua HaMashiach

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
5 posted on 12/13/2009 8:45:30 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Thanks! God Bless!


6 posted on 12/13/2009 12:19:10 PM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman (The TRUTH will set you Free..... Republic)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
May YHvH bring blessings on you and your house.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

7 posted on 12/13/2009 1:44:08 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

One cannot be Jewish and accept Jesus as Messiah!


8 posted on 12/21/2009 3:30:22 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Blessed Be The Name Of The Lord,For His Name Alone Is Exaulted)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN
One cannot be Jewish and accept Jesus as Messiah!

Do you mean Jesus the Jewish Messiah ?

Do you mean Jesus the future King of the world
ruling on the throne of King David from
Jerusalem for a thousand years ?

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
9 posted on 12/21/2009 3:52:00 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Jesus is not the Jewish Messiah.I could go on about this for an eternity,but the Jewish messiah will be fully human and in no way divine.There will also be peace on earth when he comes,and will be from the house of David,which Jesus is not.If Joseph were Jesus’father then he would be,which isn’t the case.And in NO WAY can HaShem have any human form.How can He die? G-d has no beginning and no end.The Torah tells us that G-d has no human form.He is not a mortal who will change His mind.AND He is one and completely indivisible.And the Torah also states that no one shares G-d’s glory,and G-d stated that He is the only Redeemer.Plus,the Messiah will come one time only.I’m standing by my statement.


10 posted on 12/21/2009 4:07:09 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Blessed Be The Name Of The Lord,For His Name Alone Is Exaulted)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

“Hear O Israel the Lord is our G-d,the Lord is ONE”. One means one,not 1 in 3.Even when I was a Christian the trinity did not make sense to me and it still doesn’t.We are not to take from or add to the Torah,and when Jesus came,that all changed.


11 posted on 12/21/2009 4:15:58 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Blessed Be The Name Of The Lord,For His Name Alone Is Exaulted)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN
Jesus is not the Jewish Messiah.I could go on about this for an eternity,but the Jewish messiah will be fully human and in no way divine.There will also be peace on earth when he comes,and will be from the house of David,which Jesus is not.If Joseph were Jesus’father then he would be,which isn’t the case.And in NO WAY can HaShem have any human form.How can He die? G-d has no beginning and no end.The Torah tells us that G-d has no human form.He is not a mortal who will change His mind.AND He is one and completely indivisible.And the Torah also states that no one shares G-d’s glory,and G-d stated that He is the only Redeemer.Plus,the Messiah will come one time only.I’m standing by my statement.

I sorry, I answered you thinking you were an anti-semite "christian".

The Jesus presented by the Roman church is not the Salvation promised by the Tanach.

There are four things that are important here:

1. Miriam is a daughter who has no brothers
and is descended from King David.

2. Joseph is descended from King David.
But he is from a line prohibited to inherit.

3. The inheritance exception granted for the daughters of Zelophehad
(These were daughters who had no brothers)
is in effect (Numbers 26,27,36; Joshua 17; 1 Chronicles 7 ).

4. Joseph and Miriam are married ( each descended from King David)
thus providing Miriam with permanent inheritance
of the Kingship of David for her to pass on to her son Yah'shua.

There is only ONE YHvH.

YHvH promised that He would provide salvation from Genesis 49:18 onward:
See Gen. 49:18; Exod. 14:13; 15:2; Deut. 32:15; 1 Sam. 2:1; 2 Sam. 22:3, 36, 47; 23:5; 1 Chr. 16:23, 35; 2 Chr. 6:41; 20:17; Job 13:16; Ps. 3:8; 9:14; 13:5; 14:7; 18:2, 35, 46; 21:1, 5; 24:5; 25:5; 27:1, 9; 35:3, 9; 37:39; 38:22; 40:10, 16; 50:23; 51:12, 14; 53:6; 62:1f, 6; 65:5; 67:2; 68:19; 69:29; 70:4; 71:15; 78:22; 79:9; 85:4, 7, 9; 88:1; 89:26; 91:16; 95:1; 96:2; 98:2f; 106:4; 116:13; 118:14f, 21; 119:41, 81, 123, 155, 166, 174; 132:16; 140:7; 144:10; 146:3; 149:4; Isa. 12:2f; 17:10; 25:9; 33:2, 6; 45:8, 17; 46:13; 49:6, 8; 51:5f, 8; 52:7, 10; 56:1; 59:11, 16; 60:18; 61:10; 62:1, 11; 63:5; Jer. 3:23; Lam. 3:26; Jon. 2:9; Mic. 7:7; Hab. 3:8, 13, 18; Zech. 9:9;

The NAME of the Jewish messiah is Yah'shua.

NAsbU Psalm 118:14 YHvH is my strength and song,
And He has become my salvation.
The Messiah will only come once for some Jews.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
12 posted on 12/21/2009 4:43:23 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

No,I am a Jew,and,like I said,the two are incompatible. The only G-d is G-d.He shares His glory w/no one.When the messiah comes,it will be for all Jews.I am interested to know how you became a messianic.You cannot be both.Ask a Rabbi.A REAL one,not a Christian posing as a rabbi.P.S.I was a Christian at one time.I cannot be both,I’m sorry. Shalom.


13 posted on 12/22/2009 4:57:14 AM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Blessed Be The Name Of The Lord,For His Name Alone Is Exaulted)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN
Is being "Jewish" religious, or ethnic? It seems to me the paradox you impose rests upon your definitions.

Barbara Streisand, a Shabbat-breaker, is considered "Jewish" because of her ethnicity. However, by your definition a person born of Jewish parents, who keeps the Torah, and yet thinksYeshua is Messiah is not "Jewish"? - You have defined "Jewishness" in a way that simply excludes your undesireables - on the basis of what they think (hmm, sounds totalitarian). On the other hand, the Talmud describes how someone who was not born to Jewish parents can "become Jewish" simply by undergoing ritual conversion - and then think a certain way. So what someone thinks is what determines "Jewishness," or is it ethnicity? Is Barbara Streisand, who does not think like a Jew, really a Jew?

Pick up a copy of Shaye Cohen's (a Jew) "The Beginnings of Jewishness in the Second Temple Period." You will be shocked when you learn how pedantic your definition of "Jewishness" is when compared to the history of our people. Your definition has no historical basis other than as reactionary to Christianity. Judaism predates Christianity, it will post-date Christianity. Don't build your house on the sand of a non-existent contradiction.
14 posted on 12/22/2009 5:21:45 AM PST by Tzfat
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN
You said, "...when I was a Christian..." and yet you also said, "...I am a Jew..."

So... by your own definition, you were a Jew, then weren't a Jew, and now you are a Jew again? Will you be a Jew from now on? Who knows?

Were you born Jewish?
15 posted on 12/22/2009 5:27:21 AM PST by Tzfat
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To: Tzfat

I was raised a Christian and converted to Judaism in my mid-20’s. I never went back and forth,nor will I ever. This is my definition.


16 posted on 12/22/2009 12:34:39 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Blessed Be The Name Of The Lord,For His Name Alone Is Exaulted)
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To: Tzfat

Excuse me,but I think I know what I am talking about.No matter what BS does,she’ll always be a Jew. But once a Jew accepts Jesus as his/her Lord and savior,they are becoming a Christian. If you don’t believe me about the messiah and the fact that Jesus IS NOT the Jewish messiah,then consult the Torah and read what it has to say about the messiah,or ask a Rabbi. And I’m not a totalitarian,thank you.I am stating what is a fact,not what I find undesirable.Oh,and don’t call me pedantic. I do know what I’m talking about.Have a nice day.


17 posted on 12/22/2009 12:42:16 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Blessed Be The Name Of The Lord,For His Name Alone Is Exaulted)
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I just wanted to let you know that I am not trying to degrade you in any way;it’s just that the Jewish messiah and the Christian messiah are two very different messiahs. This is why I cannot comprehend how a Jew can accept Jesus. The Jewish messiah isn’t coming to save souls,unlike Jesus.When the Jewish messiah comes he will bring all the Jews in the world together,to be brought back to Israel,and the Temple will be rebuilt.This is why,like I stated before,a Jew cannot accept Jesus.


18 posted on 12/22/2009 1:50:20 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Blessed Be The Name Of The Lord,For His Name Alone Is Exaulted)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

I just wanted to let you know that I am not trying to degrade you in any way;it’s just that the Jewish messiah and the Christian messiah are two very different messiahs. This is why I cannot comprehend how a Jew can accept Jesus. The Jewish messiah isn’t coming to save souls,unlike Jesus.When the Jewish messiah comes he will bring all the Jews in the world together,to be brought back to Israel,and the Temple will be rebuilt.This is why,like I stated before,a Jew cannot accept Jesus.


19 posted on 12/22/2009 1:50:29 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Blessed Be The Name Of The Lord,For His Name Alone Is Exaulted)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN
I was raised a Christian and converted to Judaism in my mid-20’s. I never went back and forth,nor will I ever. This is my definition

Sure hope that staying a Jew works for you... remember, CONCENTRATE - you might loose your "Jewishness" if you starting thinking incorrectly.

As for the Torah, please show me where the Torah says a Gentile can become a Jew...
20 posted on 12/22/2009 7:09:24 PM PST by Tzfat
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN
No matter what BS does,she’ll always be a Jew. But once a Jew accepts Jesus as his/her Lord and savior,they are becoming a Christian.

"No matter what she does..." EXCEPT...? How about this: Can she join a Buddahist temple and stay "Jewish"? Ask your rabbi... the answer is YES. There is only ONE thing she can't do... it is THINK that Jesus is Messiah. So the THINKING is what makes her not Jewish, right? Inconsistent...
21 posted on 12/22/2009 7:14:22 PM PST by Tzfat
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To: Tzfat

Let me clarify,because you misunderstand what I said;it does not matter what one thinks;but when a Jew accets Jesus into their lives they have,at least theologically,become a Christian.They may have been born into the Jewish faith,but they have accepted a messiah into their lives who is not the messiah of the Jews.Our messiah,as I am sure you know,will be fully human,will reunite the Jews of the world in Israel,and will bring peace to the world,among many other things.When a Jew practices the Buddist faith,he/she may still be Jewish by birth but is adopting another faith into their lives.Buddists do not believe in G-d.A Jew who accepts this,or any other faith,is essentially turning their back on the ONE TRUE G-d of Israel.If my adherence to the Torah makes me “pedantic”,then so be it.But keep in mind that you’ll be calling other Jews pedantic as well. When G-d said that we are to have no other gods before him,he expects us to follow that commandment.G-d is the redeemer and savior;besides Him there is no other.I’m not trying to redefine the Jewish faith to make it the way I want it to be. Simply put,the differences between Judaism and Christianity are so great that there can be no combination of the two. We cannot accept Jesus as our Lord and savior,for all the obvious reasons. To do so is actually a very big sin,since we’d be following another G-d,which,like I stated before,we are forbidden to do.Thinking and doing are very different things.I could think that Mohammed is the final prophet of G-d w/out becoming a Muslim,but when I ACCEPT him,then I’ve become a Muslim. It seems simple to me.A Jew who has brought jesus into their lives may,by birth,be Jewish,but they have become a Christian theologically.I don’t know what your exact beliefs are,and I’m not trying to change your mind,but I am simply stating the major differences between the Jewish and Christians’ faith view of Jesus,and why we do not and cannot accept Jesus and remain true to our Jewish faith.Again,I am not trying to change the Jewish faith.I hope this clarifies any misunderstandings. Take care,and G-d bless.Have a safe and happy New Year.


22 posted on 12/23/2009 4:45:38 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Blessed Be The Name Of The Lord,For His Name Alone Is Exaulted)
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