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Genesis and the Religion of Primitive Man (Was monotheism the original religion of primitive man?)
Xenos ^ | James L. Graham

Posted on 12/13/2009 7:33:11 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Well, the difference of 14 days that I’m talking about is that there is a difference of 14 days between Sukkot and the Feast of Trumpets (give or take a day... :-) ...)

Now, although I think it’s very clear that from what the Bible explains that Jesus was not born on December 25th (whatever day that was bak then, which I don’t even know...) — the exact day is not really clear.

The appeal with this sort of thing is that one would like to make some things “of significance” by fitting into certain holy days given in the Bible, but I don’t see where this has to be the case. It would be nice and it would “tidy things up” — but it’s not something that is mandated.

At this point it’s speculative, although a lot of people would prefer to believe that certain events in Jesus’ history falls on certain holy days.

Even when referring to Elizabeth, it’s noted in the Bible that Mary visited in her “sixth month” — and that’s a bit of a spread of time, not pinning it down to when Mary was pregnant (i.e, had conceived).

We know that she had not conceived at the time of the angel talking to Mary, but we do know that she had conceived by the time she makes the trip to see Elizabeth. However, it looks (to me) to be a possible “spread in time” of maybe 1/2 a month or more variance (being that it’s described as “in the sixth month”)...


51 posted on 12/13/2009 11:30:12 AM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler
Well, the difference of 14 days that I’m talking about is that there is a difference of 14 days between Sukkot and the Feast of Trumpets (give or take a day... :-) ...)

I have found letting the YHvH lead me by metaphor works best.

NAU John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Dwelt <4637> skhno,w skenoo
Meaning: to have one’s tent, dwell
Origin: from 4633
Usage: dwell(3), dwelt(1), spread His tabernacle(1).
Notes: (1) Or tabernacled; i.e. lived temporarily (2)
Or unique, only one of His kind (a) Rev 19:13 (b) Rom 1:3; Gal 4:4; Phi 2:7f; 1Ti 3:16; Heb 2:14; 1Jo 1:1f; 1Jo 4:2; 2Jo 1:7 (c) Rev 21:3 (d) Luk 9:32; Joh 2:11; Joh 17:22, Joh 17:24; 2Pe 1:16f; 1Jo 1:1 (e) Joh 1:17; Rom 5:21; Rom 6:14 (f) Joh 8:32; Joh 14:6; Joh 18:37
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
52 posted on 12/13/2009 12:46:20 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Ted Grant

Never heard of that. Sounds like the first woman was a bulldyke that hated men. Then god made eve, a nice girl.


53 posted on 12/13/2009 12:58:29 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: SeekAndFind
There is one head of a family - the father. There is one head of a clan. It is only logical that primitive man would emulate this order and have only one god.
54 posted on 12/13/2009 1:03:08 PM PST by Between the Lines (For their sins of 50 million abortions God gave them over to be an ObamaNation {Romans 1:24-32})
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

I do understand that and that’s one way that a person can understand it. I was just pointing out that there’s no definitive and explicit way to do it, other than the way you say.

I mean some things in the Bible are delineated very precisely and clearly in such a way that there can be no misunderstanding of it. But, other things are not so precise.

So..., it does seem clear in the Bible that Jesus was not born in (what is our month of) December. I think that’s pretty clear. What is not exactly clear is “exactly” when He was born.

And one more thing... do you have a “day-count” of how many days from a possible date of conception (for Jesus) to the supposed date of birth? And also, wouldn’t that count of days be also dependent upon what year it was?


55 posted on 12/13/2009 1:09:16 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler
And one more thing... do you have a “day-count” of how many days from a possible date of conception (for Jesus) to the supposed date of birth? And also, wouldn’t that count of days be also dependent upon what year it was?

That would be difficult with varying number of days
from 25th of Kislev and the 15th of Tishri.

We are not certain of the year of birth.

Some think 2 or 3 BCE.

The eight days of Chanukah, Sukkot and circumcision are intriguing.

Since science has found that vitamin K is highest eight days after birth.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
56 posted on 12/13/2009 1:41:48 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Well, one day we will know for sure... :-)


57 posted on 12/13/2009 1:48:07 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler
Well, one day we will know for sure... :-)

Amen ! Brother.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
58 posted on 12/13/2009 1:53:34 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Star Traveler
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Amen - Jonathan Settel

May this Bless you and yours.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

59 posted on 12/13/2009 2:11:16 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Library Lady

Yeah, and?


60 posted on 12/13/2009 3:06:12 PM PST by SentForth5 (Just sayin' is all...)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Josephus tells us the Tetragrammaton is four VOWELS (Wars of the Jews 5.5.7), not four consonants. Thus IEUE. All it then needs is its missing “s”.

http://carlosenrique.tripod.com/GODNAME01.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20070617143724/http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Opera/1624/phoenician.html

Al’lah = Illah = Elah, various forms of El or Elohim in Arabic, Hebrew, Aramaic, etc. Allah is the word used by Arabic speaking Christians for the name of God when translating Elohim since before the time of Mohammad.


61 posted on 12/13/2009 3:14:13 PM PST by Heliand
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To: Heliand
Heliand
Since Oct 25, 2009
Welcome to FR
Allah is NOT the Elohim of Abraham, Isaac and Israel.

Josephus War of the Jews book 5 chapter 5 section 7 concerns priestly requirements.

I have no clue who carlos enrique is and what are his credentials on any topic.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

62 posted on 12/13/2009 3:39:48 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

I recommend the book Eternity in their Hearts by Don Richardson to anyone wanting to see that monotheism is the baseline religion for all people groups. Extremely interesting stories and a very easy read. Christmas blessings to all.


63 posted on 12/13/2009 3:49:33 PM PST by EscondidoSurfer
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EscondidoSurfer Since Aug 27, 2009

64 posted on 12/13/2009 3:51:37 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
Allah is NOT the Elohim of Abraham, Isaac and Israel.

Fine. What is the appropriate translation of Elohim in Arabic?

65 posted on 12/13/2009 4:22:21 PM PST by Heliand
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To: Heliand
U-2012>Allah is NOT the Elohim of Abraham, Isaac and Israel.

Fine. What is the appropriate translation of Elohim in Arabic?

Don't you think is is disingenuous at best to use Allah,
when that is the name of Mohammed's g-d.

Allah seems to have all of the attributes of Satan.

The phrase Allu akbar means Allah is GREATER.

The question to ask is Allah is Greater than whom ?

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
66 posted on 12/13/2009 4:46:54 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
Don't you think is is disingenuous at best to use Allah, when that is the name of Mohammed's g-d.

Why? Arabs were Christians for centuries before Mohammad showed up. Why should they apologize for his use of the name of God in Arabic? Whatever distortions the false prophet created are his to answer for. Arab Christians can go on praying to and baptizing in the name of Allāh al-ʼAb, Allāh al-ibn, and Allāh al-rūḥ al-quds (God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost) without worrying a bit about that.

Al'lah (=Al Ilah = ho Theos = the God) is the word for God in Arabic. Period. Its a cognate of Elah (Aramaic), Eloh (Hebrew), Alla (Maltese).

Allah seems to have all of the attributes of Satan.

In the Mohammedan heresy, that may very well be true.

The phrase Allu akbar means Allah is GREATER. The question to ask is Allah is Greater than whom?

Allahu akhbar = God is the Greatest. The answer is the greatest of all beings that exist.

67 posted on 12/13/2009 5:29:24 PM PST by Heliand
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To: EscondidoSurfer

Reading it now. Wonderful book!


68 posted on 12/14/2009 10:01:12 PM PST by LiteKeeper (When do the impeachment proceedings begin?)
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To: Heliand

Where do you get that Arabs were “Christians” before they were Muslims?


69 posted on 12/14/2009 10:02:44 PM PST by LiteKeeper (When do the impeachment proceedings begin?)
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To: LiteKeeper

Most of the Middle East was Orthodox before Islam arrived and conquered it.


70 posted on 12/14/2009 10:16:28 PM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: LiteKeeper
Where do you get that Arabs were “Christians” before they were Muslims?

Here, try reading through the "Indentity" and "History" sections of this article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Christians

Arab Christians (and here I will restrict the word Arab to only true Arabs speaking Arabic before Mohammad thus excluding the Lebanese, Syrians, and Mesopotamians of Iraq) before the time of Mohammad lived in Jordan, Yemen, Oman and scattered through the Arabian Desert. Most famous are the Nabateans and Ghassanids, who you can google to your heart's content to find information on elsewhere if you really don't believe Wikipedia. You;ll find things like the book "The Arab Christian"

http://books.google.com/books?id=pMuxLlWih04C&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_v2_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q=&f=false

71 posted on 12/15/2009 5:03:44 AM PST by Heliand
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To: Ted Grant; stylecouncilor

Also see in Wikipedia’s “Lileth” reference to her appearences in the Talmud....

Happy Chanuka & Merry Christmas!


72 posted on 12/17/2009 7:34:17 PM PST by onedoug
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