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Obama And The Four Horsemen Of the Apocalypse.

Posted on 12/15/2009 6:15:00 PM PST by Armaggedon

Seven seals are to be opened for the seven years of tribulation. The anti-Christ kingdom is heading for the crunch at time and times and half a time. The crisis comes at a half year into the time of the fourth horse, which is death. Let us observe what is described in Revelation, step by step.

Revelation 6:1-2.

AND I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying come and see.

And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering and to conquer."

The storm began when Obama was given the crown January 20, 2012 and he immediately began to make a mockery of the Constitution. The White House was now the white horse Obama used to break resistance and conquer the nation.

Revelation 6:3-4.

"And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.

And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword."

New horse same rider. Now it is Obama the red engaged in fight and flite. Adrenaline pumped and using the great sword given him through the crown to wreak havic and violance on his enemies. His cry is red or dead. This year begins January 20, 2010.

Revelations 6:5-6.

"And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see, And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barely for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil or wine."

After the violance of the year of the red horse comes the black times of hunger and rationing. The rider of the black horse is redistributing the wealth and what resources are left, but reserves the good oil and wine for himself. You can only buy and sell what Obama allows. Everyone will be marked and subject to the scale. This year begins January 20, 2011.

Revelation 6:7-8.

"And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with beasts of the earth."

In the fourth year at time and times and half a time the body of the anti-Christ hits the wall. They know the crunch is at hand and their kingdom doomed, so they lash out in one last effort to overcome those who love and serve the Lord. This describes the final battle of the body of the anti-Christ. This crisis is reached in the midst of the ride of the pale horse, death. That year begins January 20, 2012.

After the pale horse of death the remaining seals deal with major earth changes, revealing the kingdom of heaven on earth. Apocalypse means unveiling and only those in the Christ Body can pierce the veil beyond time and times and half a time.

Daniel 12:11-12.

"And from the time that the daily sarifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days."

The daily sacrifice was taken away when Obama got the crown in the White House on January 20, 2009.

Jesus Christ, the Word made flesh calls us to overcome and pass through the temple veil He opened for us two thousand years ago. Matthew 4:17.

"From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say. Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

TOPICS: Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: antichrist; antichristendtimes; endtimes

1 posted on 12/15/2009 6:15:00 PM PST by Armaggedon
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To: Armaggedon

Don’t know as I agree that there is a correlation between the four horsemen of the Apocalypse and Obama other than he is for sure a “road apple”

2 posted on 12/15/2009 6:22:08 PM PST by doc1019 (Obama, not so much.)
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To: Armaggedon; Admin Moderator
As a seminary student I had the privilege of studying the Book of Revelation under Dr. George R. of the world's foremost authorities on Eschatology in general and the Book of Revelation in particular (he also wrote a commentary on it).

I have no clue however why you are posting this piece of Scripture or what it has to do with ANYTHING.

3 posted on 12/15/2009 6:22:33 PM PST by Towed_Jumper (Stephen Hopkins: Founding Father who had Cerebral Palsy.."My hand trembles, my heart does not.")
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To: Armaggedon
The storm began when Obama was given the crown January 20, 2012 and he immediately began to make a mockery of the Constitution

He started doing that after his bogus inauguration THIS year on January 20th.

Note: if 0bama were re-elected in November of 2012, he would not receive any 'crown' until January 20th of 2013.
4 posted on 12/15/2009 6:24:48 PM PST by mkjessup (Dec 15, 1941 - President Franklin D. 0bama signs our surrender on board the Battleship Yamato)
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To: Armaggedon
5 posted on 12/15/2009 6:26:57 PM PST by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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To: mkjessup

Sorry that was a typo. Crown was given to Obama January 20, 2009.

6 posted on 12/15/2009 6:29:06 PM PST by Armaggedon
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To: Armaggedon

What you’re missing is the mountains falling on the earth, the scorpion like things that sting for months without killing and the two witnesses—all of whom come (among other things) before the antichrist. The two witnesses and who they are will be painfully obvious to everyone—it doesn’t read like a metaphor to me. When the antichrist kills the two witnesses, you will know the it is here.

So the Obama is the antichrist stuff is pretty much nonsense, imho.

7 posted on 12/15/2009 6:29:57 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: ModelBreaker

John described the anti-Christ made up of a body of many members. Obama is just part of that body and plays a key role.

I John 4:3.

“And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God and this is the spirit of anti-christ, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now slresdy is it in the world.”

8 posted on 12/15/2009 6:41:37 PM PST by Armaggedon
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To: Armaggedon
You were saying ...

The daily sacrifice was taken away when Obama got the crown in the White House on January 20, 2009.

Sorry, there is no daily sacrifice right now, as there is no Temple in Jerusalem right now.

When the Third Temple is rebuilt in Jerusalem, and the sacrifices are started up again -- then the one mentioned in Daniel will put a stop to the daily sacrifices, at the mid-point of the Tribulation time.

At this point in time, we're not even in the Tribulation time the last seven years, which were allocated to Israel -- just before the return of the Messiah of Israel to set up the Kingdom on this earth.

The Tribulation has not started, the one spoken about in Daniel is not here, and the sacrifices have not started yet, as there is no Third Temple yet and thus, the sacrifices have not been "stopped" yet, either... :-)

The Bible and its prophecies don't have to do with the United States, they have to do with Israel. I would be looking over in Israel for the fulfillment of these prophecies, not to the President of the United States or even the country of the United States.

9 posted on 12/15/2009 6:48:01 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Armaggedon
It was suggested years and years ago that when the Disciple John saw the Revelatory visions of which he wrote, that THIS image might have been one of the ones he saw:
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Of course, the USS Hawkbill (SSN-666) was decommissioned in 2000 after 30+ years of service, but a person nearly 2000 years ago who had never heard of or imagined a 'submarine' might well have thought this looked like a 'Beast rising from the sea', FWIW.
10 posted on 12/15/2009 6:52:19 PM PST by mkjessup (Dec 15, 1941 - President Franklin D. 0bama signs our surrender on board the Battleship Yamato)
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To: Towed_Jumper

This is a very nice example of U.S. Centric end times rubbish...

11 posted on 12/15/2009 6:56:15 PM PST by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: massmike

The four jackasses of the Apocalypse?

12 posted on 12/15/2009 6:59:04 PM PST by Flag_This (ACORN delenda est)
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To: mkjessup
...but a person nearly 2000 years ago who had never heard of or imagined a ‘submarine’ might well have thought this looked like a ‘Beast rising from the sea’...”

Maybe this will Apocalyptic literature “the sea” is usually a metaphor for “people”. Thus, a Beast (the Antichrist, etc), rising out of the sea should be construed as a person coming forth out of a nation or people.

Do I think Obama is evil? Yes, as a matter of fact I do. However, one needs to be careful not to interpret Scripture using the daily newspaper (or internet), headlines.

There have been many evil men “rise up out of the sea” throughout history. Obama isn't the first and won't be the last. submarine.

13 posted on 12/15/2009 7:03:47 PM PST by Towed_Jumper (Stephen Hopkins: Founding Father who had Cerebral Palsy.."My hand trembles, my heart does not.")
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To: Armaggedon

14 posted on 12/15/2009 7:13:15 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Star Traveler
Jesus said the time was at hand when worship would not be in the temple at Jerusalem. John 4:21.

“Jesus saith unto her, Woman believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.”

15 posted on 12/15/2009 7:17:00 PM PST by Armaggedon
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To: Armaggedon

I have been waiting for Obama fatigue to set in. Because I am fatigued by this ass clown.

On the tube/radio every damned day. He just can’t STFU.

16 posted on 12/15/2009 7:21:38 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Democrats: the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy and Sedition)
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To: Armaggedon

A great deal depends on one’s interpretation of
Revelation and one’s eschatological view. Many view the reference to Israel as literal while others view it as a reference to Believers only rather than a particular nation. Likewise the Temple is interpreted as either literal or not. Those who take a more historical approach - or preterist approach see certain events as having already occurred. Don’t see the Zero as THE anti-Christ myself at this point, but the mania which swept this nation was a taste of things to come most likely. Frightening!

17 posted on 12/15/2009 7:35:49 PM PST by JLLH
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To: Armaggedon

The only problem with that is that the same Bible also describes that the sacrifices are stopped at the mid-point of the Tribulation, in a Temple that is also described as being there...

So, when this same Bible tells us that the sacrifices are going to be stopped at the mid-point of the Tribulation — it’s obvious that to be “stopped” they had to be “started again” prior to that point of being stopped.... :-)

And neither of those things has happened yet, so we’re still waiting for this time to come...

As a side-note here, what is described in Revelation is something future to the time it was written. And it was written around 95 A.D. So, what is being described is future to 95 A.D. We’re still waiting for it to happen (and it will, but it has not yet happened).

18 posted on 12/15/2009 7:37:49 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Armaggedon

Is It Time for The Temple?

by Thomas Ice

The current situation in Israel is one of constant tension and turmoil. Yet in the midst of Arab aggression and opposition, it appears that Jewish interest in rebuilding their Temple continues to grow. In the last few months there have been a number of events that have taken place that appears to be ratcheting up the interest level of the Temple movement in Israel among Jews. One of the more interesting developments has been the reestablishment of the Sanhedrin after 1600 years of absence.

The Sanhedrin

The Sanhedrin was a council of 71 rabbis that governed Israel under Roman rule during the time of Christ near the Temple and continued to function outside of Jerusalem (primarily in Tiberias) until around a.d. 400. The reinstitution of the Sanhedrin is seen as a harbinger for the rebuilding of the Temple and the coming of Messiah. Orthodox Jews believe that a body like the Sanhedrin is needed today to oversee the rebuilding of the Temple and to identify Messiah should he appear on the scene.

The body met for the first time in October 2004 in Tiberias (the place where they last gathered) but now meet monthly in Jerusalem in order to issue rulings on matters related to Israeli Judaism. Their goal is to eventually become the governing body for the modern nation of Israel, which would replace their current social democracy. Orthodox sects are known for following their specific leaders as opposed to valuing unity between themselves. This is why the founding of the Sanhedrin is viewed by many within the Orthodox community as miraculous that causes them to believe that great things are on the horizon for the Jewish people of Israel.

Arnold Fruchtenbaum, a Hebrew Christian scholar has noted the following:

The significance of Israel' s reinstituting the Sanhedrin may be another event that leaves in place the possibility of how the Lord will work out His will with His people. Almost sixty years after a 1900 year absence, the nation of Israel came into existence. Jewish people from the four corners of the world have made aliyah to live in the Land. The Temple Institute in Jerusalem has reconstructed the instruments for Jewish Temple worship; Jewish men determined to be descendants of Aaron, known as the Kohanim, are being trained in ritual practices to serve as Temple priests; and now we have the establishment of an authoritative body to speak to the nation of Israel on matters of Jewish religion. This is significant in light of such passages as Zechariah 12:10 and Hosea 5:15, which speak of a time when the people of Israel will be led into the acceptance of Jesus as their Messiah. The existence of a religious authority for the entire nation will facilitate the multitudes coming to faith.[1]

It is important to note that as a result of the June 2005 meeting of the Sanhedrin, they have issued a call for specific plans to rebuild the Temple. " The Israeli rabbinical council involved with re-establishing the Sanhedrin, is calling upon all groups involved in Temple Mount research to prepare detailed architectural plans for the reconstruction of the Jewish Holy Temple." [2] This demonstrates that increasingly the new Sanhedrin believes that it is taking steps to prepare the modern state of Israel for a new Temple and the coming of Messiah. These stage-setting steps are things that are in concert with the end time events that will take place during a future era known as the tribulation.

In order to specifically carry out the Sanhedrin' s call to prepare architectural plans for rebuilding the Temple, " the group will establish a forum of architects and engineers to begin plans for rebuilding the Temple- a move fraught with religious and political volatility." [3] The Sanhedrin is also " calling on the Jewish people to contribute toward the acquisition of materials for the purpose of rebuilding the Temple- including the gathering and preparation of prefabricated, disassembled portions to be stored and ready for rapid assembly, ' in the manner of King David.' " [4]

Ready To Rebuild

In 1992 Randall Price and I wrote a book about current efforts in Israel to rebuild Israel' s Third Temple called Ready to Rebuild.[5] Frankly, this book was the first in the American Evangelical world to introduce many to the growing Temple movement in Israel. Now, 13 years later, there are even more organizations and Israeli Jews working toward this goal. I recall during a trip to Israel a few years ago our visit to the Temple Institute in West Jerusalem. (This is the group of orthodox Jews who have already reconstructed all of the implements that will be needed for the Third Temple.) The young lady who led our tour of their Institute was questioned by our group as to whether they really believed that a new Temple would actually be built upon the Temple Mount where the Arab Dome of the Rock now stands. She stated very clearly and repeatedly that they were 100% sure that a Jewish Temple would one day be reconstructed upon that Mount. When ask how she thought this would happen, she said that she had no idea but knew that the Lord would bring it to pass in order for the end of days to unfold.

The main problem facing those who would rebuild the Temple is political in nature. Israel recaptured the Old City of Jerusalem and the Temple Mount in the Six-Day War (1967) and then Moshe Diane returned day-to-day control of the Temple Mount to the Muslims. Until Israel comes to the point where they are willing to exercise political control over the Temple Mount, they will not be able to restore the Temple. Increasingly, there are new organizations that arise among the orthodox Jews seeking to regain hegemony over their most holy place.

One of the newer organizations that have recently arisen to join older ones like the Temple Mount Faithful and the Ateret Cohanim is the group called " Revava," led by David Ha' ivri. The goal of Revava is to restore Jewish sovereignty over the Temple Mount. Their tactics include an effort every month to take a group of 10,000 Jews or more up to the Temple Mount.[6] The 35-acre Temple Mount platform is the most volatile real estate upon planet earth. The mere (unsuccessful) attempt by Revava to take 10,000 Jews up to the Temple Mount in order to pray resulted in over 100,000 Muslims in Indonesia rallying " for continued Islamic dominance over the Mount." [7] The police prevented the Jews from ascending to the most holy place in all of Judaism, so they carried on a demonstration near the Temple Mount. " Demonstrators sang songs and danced, and chanted slogans about reclaiming the Mount for Jewish worship. Several Israeli Knesset members delivered speeches about the importance of the Temple Mount to Jewish tradition." [8]

The point that needs to be made is that Israeli Jews are increasingly interested in rebuilding their Temple. It appears that the more the Islamic militants increase their terrorist pressure upon the Jewish nation, the more religious Jews step up their efforts to focus upon rebuilding the Third Temple. " Islamic Jihad issued a press release claiming Jews were planning to ' attack' the Mount, which they would explode the entire region and open an unprecedented confrontation with the ' Zionist entity.' " [9] In fact, on June 6, 2005, when Israel was celebrating the 38th anniversary of Jerusalem' s liberation a number of Jews were allowed to go upon the Temple Mount. This resulted in about 300 Palestinians throwing stones at the Jews. " They came from Al Aqsa, took off their belts, and ran through the Jewish Israeli group to evict them while trying to throw stones," noted a Jewish police spokesman.[10]


In spite of contemporary turmoil, Israel' s Third Temple will one day be rebuild as Dr. Price and I demonstrated in Ready To Rebuild from Daniel 9:24-27; Matthew 24:15; 2 Thessalonians 2:4; Revelation 11:1-2; 13:14- 15. Few observers of world events ever thought Israel would become a nation again, but it did occur in 1948. Yet, there will be a rebuilt temple by the middle of the seven-year tribulation in order to facilitate the fulfillment of Bible prophecy.

I have often taught that the long-awaited permission for the Jews to rebuild their Temple will likely be part of the covenant between Antichrist and Israel that starts the seven-year tribulation after the rapture. It appears to me that the Temple will be rebuilt and supervised supernaturally by the two witnesses during the first half of the tribulation. Since one of the two witnesses will most likely be Elijah, this would mean that the ministry of Elijah should tell us more about the ministry of the two witnesses. Malachi 4:4-5 says, " Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord. An he will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the land with a curse." Perhaps the ministry of Elijah, where he will help the Jewish people " get right with God," before the return of the Lord will involve their Third Temple, until commandeered by Antichrist.

Regardless of how the Lord works out the details, His plan will be brought to pass. In the meantime, many of the current events now taking place in and around Jerusalem and the Temple Mount are setting the stage for what will be a string of events that will usher in the second coming of Christ. Meanwhile, the church is looking for the rapture, where Christ will take us in an instance to be with Himself for all eternity. Maranatha!


[1] Arnold Fruchtenbaum, Ariel Ministries Newsletter (Fall 2004/Winter 2005), p. 4.

[2] " New ' Sanhedrin' plans Rebuilding of Temple: Israeli rabbinical body calls for architectural blueprint," (June 8, 2005).

[3] " New ' Sanhedrin.' "

[4] " New ' Sanhedrin.' "

[5] Thomas Ice and Randall Price, Ready To Rebuild: The Imminent Plan to Rebuild the Last Days Temple (Eugene, Org.: Harvest House, 1992).

[6] Aaron Klein, " Temple Mount leaders vow Jewish sovereignty: Group seeking to reclaim Israeli control of site threatens monthly protests" (April 18, 2005).

[7] Klein, " Temple Mount leaders."

[8] Klein, " Temple Mount leaders."

[9] Klein, " Temple Mount leaders

[10] Aaron Klein, " Teens stone Jews at Temple Mount: Hundreds of Palestinians emerge from Al Aqsa mosque to attack" (June 6, 2005).

19 posted on 12/15/2009 7:50:31 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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The crown of dominion of America, the most powerful nation on earth has been handed to Obama a Marxist. America which was founded on divine inspiration under God has been usurped by the progressive humanist cult. The United States of America is not Fiji. Events here are being shaped that will rock the world. Congress is undone and the damage will not be fixed. Once these Obama programs are set in stone they will not go away.

America and Israel are joined in spirit and America as we thought we knew her is being undone. This is a great opportunity to love, serve and praise God. I am not so concerned about the anti-Christ body. It will fail. My concern is to participate in the Body of Christ on earth. We are being blessed by these challenges to grow strong in Christ.

20 posted on 12/15/2009 7:54:20 PM PST by Armaggedon
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To: Armaggedon

I agree with the last part, but I disagree that we are “done” as a nation. If I truly believed that, I certainly wouldn’t be posting here as I would consider being a political anything to be a colossal waste of time. I clearly don’t feel that way and believe God still has plans for America - and not bad ones, either!

21 posted on 12/15/2009 7:56:47 PM PST by JLLH
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To: Armaggedon

The Third Temple

When will it be built?

by Dr. David R. Reagan

The Bible clearly teaches that a new temple — which will be called The Third Temple — will be built in the future. The First Temple was the one that Solomon built and which was destroyed in 586 BC. The Second Temple (516 BC to 70 AD) was built after the Jews returned from Babylonian captivity. The platform on which it sat was greatly expanded and beautified by King Herod, as was the temple itself, but since the sacrifices were never stopped during this renovation and expansion, the new temple was still considered to be The Second Temple.

The Third Temple will exist during the Great Tribulation. Daniel refers to this temple when he says that "the prince who is to come" (the Antichrist) will enter it and stop the sacrifices in the middle of the Tribulation (Daniel 9:27). The Apostle Paul mentions it when he declares that the "man of lawlessness" will profane the temple by entering it and declaring himself to be God (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4). The Third Temple is also mentioned in the book of Revelation when John is told to measure it — a symbolic way of telling him to assess its spiritual condition (Revelation 11:1-2).

This raises the question as to precisely when the temple will be rebuilt. The Bible does not reveal the answer to this question. All it says for certain is that the temple will be in existence when the Antichrist reveals himself (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4), and that will be in the middle of the Tribulation (Daniel 9:27). Since this will be only three and a half years into the Tribulation, many have concluded that the temple will likely be rebuilt before the Tribulation begins, because how could such a magnificent building be constructed in such a short period of time?

But this conclusion overlooks the fact that the temple can be literally resurrected overnight! That's because the Jews plan to erect a tent temple like the Tabernacle of Moses, and they are ready to do so at any moment. Everything has been prepared. Once this temporary temple is put up, they will resume the sacrifices and then start building a more permanent structure around and above the temporary one.

Currently there are two major obstacles to the reconstruction of The Third Temple. One pertains to its location. The next temple can only be built where the two previous temples stood because the Holy of Holies must be on the exact same spot. But no one knows for sure where the previous temples were located on the Temple Mount. Most scholars believe that they stood where the Dome of the Rock currently stands. That conclusion may be wrong, but there is no way to prove the exact location without conducting archeological excavations on the Temple Mount, something which is currently prohibited by the Muslims. If The Third Temple is to be built where the Dome of the Rock now stands, then that Muslim structure must first of all be removed either by Man or God. It could, of course be burned to the ground by a saboteur, or it could be destroyed by an earthquake.

The second obstacle is the attitude of the Jewish people and their leaders. Currently, there is no desire among them to build a third temple. The average Israeli is very secular. He knows that any attempt to build a third temple would result in immediate war with the Muslims. Only a handful of ultra-Orthodox Jews have a passion for The Third Temple. They are the ones who have made all the preparations. But they have no popular support. Something will have to happen to create a surge of nationalistic pride that will demand a new temple. This catalytic event could be the discovery of the Ark of the Covenant.

There is a distinct possibility that the ancient temples were not located where the Dome of the Rock currently sits. There is strong evidence that their location was to the north of the Dome and that the sacrificial altar inside the Dome was the one that Solomon built in "the middle of the court" to handle the thousands of special sacrifices which he offered to the Lord on the day The First Temple was dedicated (2 Chronicles 7:7). If that is so, then The Third Temple could be built north of the Dome of the Rock, putting the Dome in the Court of the Gentiles. This may well be the solution the Antichrist will come up with when he negotiates a peace between the Jews and the Arabs (Daniel 9:27).

To summarize, there is definitely going to be a third temple. It will most likely be erected at the beginning of the Tribulation in the form of a tent temple, like the Tabernacle of Moses. A more permanent structure will then be built around and above it. The Antichrist will desecrate this temple in the middle of the Tribulation.

The Third Temple will be destroyed at the Second Coming of Jesus. The great earthquake at that time will radically change the topography of Jerusalem and all the earth (Revelation 6:12-17). In Jerusalem it will result in the provision of a very large level area where the Millennial Temple will be constructed. This is the temple from which Jesus will reign over all the earth. It is described in detail in Ezekiel 40-46.

22 posted on 12/15/2009 8:17:24 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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I agree, there is great opportunity for America to rise up. However, the challenge Obama represents is very real and serious. We have been sliding for some time and left ourselves open to the Obama nation. If we repent and seek God we will rise up. This crisis may be a blessing.
23 posted on 12/15/2009 8:22:49 PM PST by Armaggedon
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To: Armaggedon

I would never have thought so last election, but I think it has turned out to be a real blessing and will become even more evident to be so in time.

24 posted on 12/15/2009 8:32:44 PM PST by JLLH
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To: Armaggedon

If you interpret things that way, there have been billions of antichrists for 2009 years, which doesn’t make Obama very special in that regard—one in four billion antichrists.

Revelation is obviously talking about a singular person and sequence of events when it speaks of THE antichrist. So John’s “spirit of the antichrist” obviously refers to something different.

25 posted on 12/15/2009 8:35:38 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Armaggedon

The Rise and Fall of the Antichrist

Is he alive today? — And other questions.

by Dr. David R. Reagan

The Bible teaches that in the end times, right before the return of Jesus, the greatest political leader in the history of Mankind will emerge from Europe. After taking over that area by diplomatic cunning and deceit, he will launch a military campaign that will result in his acquiring "authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation" (Revelation 13:7). His empire will be the most extensive in all of history, encompassing the entire world, and his rule will be the most demonic the world has ever experienced.

He will begin his rise to power as a dynamic, charismatic, insightful, visionary leader who will astound the world with the cleverness of his solutions to world problems. He will appear to be the savior of the world. But as he consolidates his power, his true nature will be revealed. He will emerge as a Satan possessed and empowered person who hates God and is determined to annihilate both Christianity and Judaism. For this reason, he is identified in scripture as the Antichrist (1 John 2:18), for he will stand against God and His anointed one, Jesus Christ.

His Origin

Where will this sinister person come from? Some have speculated that he will come out of Syria since one of his prophetic types in history — Antiochus Epiphanes (215-164 BC) — was a Syrian tyrant. But Antiochus was actually of Greek heritage. Could he therefore be a Greek? It is not likely.

It is much more likely that he will rise out of the heartland of the old Roman Empire and that he will be of Italian descent. This conclusion is based upon a statement in Daniel 9:26. In that passage the Antichrist is referred to as "the prince who is to come," and he is identified as being from the people who "will destroy the city and the sanctuary."

We know from history that both Jerusalem and the Jewish Temple were destroyed by the Romans in 70 A.D. Therefore, according to Daniel, the Antichrist must be of Roman heritage.

Will he be a Jew? Many assume he will be because Jesus said, "I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another shall come in his own name, you will receive him" (John 5:43). Based on this statement, people ask, "How could the Jews possibly receive a Gentile as their Messiah?"

But the Bible does not teach that the Jews will receive the Antichrist as their Messiah. It teaches they will accept him as a great political leader and diplomat and that they will put their trust in him as the guarantor of peace in the Middle East.

But the moment he reveals himself as the Antichrist by desecrating the Jew's rebuilt Temple and blaspheming God, the Jewish people will revolt. They will reject him as Messiah, and he will respond in fury by attempting to annihilate them.

The Antichrist does not have to be a Jew. And, in fact, the Bible makes it clear that he will be a Gentile. In Revelation 13:1 he is portrayed as a "beast coming up out of the sea." The sea is used consistently throughout the prophetic scriptures as a symbol of the Gentile nations (Daniel 7:3; Luke 21:25; and Revelation 17:1).

By contrast, the Antichrist's right hand man, the False Prophet, who will serve as his religious leader, will be a Jew. This is revealed in Revelation 13:11 where it says that John saw "another beast coming up out of the earth [literally, the land]." Just as the sea is used symbolically in prophecy to refer to the Gentile nations, the land (or earth) is used to refer to Israel. This does not mean the False Prophet will be an Orthodox Jew. It only means that he will be of Jewish heritage. Religiously, he will be an apostate Jew who will head up the One World Religion of the Antichrist.

There is one other issue concerning the origin of the Antichrist that we need to consider. Many argue that he will be a person resurrected from the dead — most likely Nero or Judas Iscariot. This assumption is based on a statement in Revelation 13:1-3 where John describes the Antichrist as a beast with seven heads. He then makes the observation that one of his heads appeared "as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed." He comments that "the whole earth was amazed" by this and therefore "followed after the beast" (Revelation 13:3).

The problem with this interpretation is that "the fatal wound" referred to in the passage has nothing to do with the person of the Antichrist. The seven heads represent seven Gentile empires — namely, Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and the final empire of the Antichrist. The head with the fatal wound that has been healed is the Roman Empire. We know this from the book of Daniel where it is prophesied that the Roman Empire will be the last of the Gentile empires until the end times when the empire of the Antichrist will emerge from a reunited Europe — that is, from a revival of the old Roman Empire (Daniel 2:31-45 and 7:1-8, 24-28).

The prophecies of Daniel have proved to be absolutely accurate. The Roman Empire was the last of the Gentile empires. It disintegrated into the nation-state system that has prevailed to this day. There have been numerous military attempts to resurrect the Roman Empire, most notably by Napoleon and Hitler. Today, the core of the Empire is coalescing before our eyes through diplomatic means, producing a united Europe that will serve as the base for the rise of the Antichrist.

Another passage that is used to justify the idea of the Antichrist being a resurrected person is Zechariah 11:17 — "Woe to the worthless shepherd who leaves the flock! A sword will be on his arm and on his right eye! His arm will be totally withered, and his right eye will be blind."

It is argued that this passage indicates that the Antichrist will be a person who has suffered a fatal wound. Now, there is no doubt this passage refers to the Antichrist, but I believe it is talking about his fate rather than his origin. Using symbolic language, it seems to me the prophet is saying that divine judgment (the sword) will fall upon the Antichrist's power (his arm) and his intelligence (his eye), and that he will suffer complete defeat (the withering of his arm and the blinding of his eye).

The idea that the Antichrist will be a resurrected person raises a serious theological problem concerning the power of Satan. The Scriptures make it clear that the Antichrist will be Satan's man, empowered by him and possessed by him. But there is no indication in Scripture that Satan has the power to give life to anyone. Satan is not omnipotent. Jesus is the one who has "the keys to death and Hades" (Revelation 1:18).

One of the most commonly asked questions is whether or not the Antichrist is alive today. I believe he is, and I believe so for two reasons. First, I believe the Scriptures teach that the generation that sees the re-establishment of Israel (May 14, 1948) will live to see all the end time prophecies fulfilled (Matthew 24: 32-34). Second, I believe the signs of the times clearly indicate that we are standing on the threshold of the Tribulation, the most important of those signs being the regathering of the Jews to their land (Isaiah 11:10-12) and their re-occupation of the city of Jerusalem (Luke 21:24).

If the Antichrist is alive today, does he know who he is? I think not. I don't think he has the foggiest idea of the role that Satan has in mind for him. He will not become the Antichrist until Satan possesses him and empowers him to deceive Europe and the Jews. His full revelation will not occur until he enters the rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem in the middle of the Tribulation and declares himself to be god.

But we are getting ahead of our story. Let's consider his character before we take a look at his career.

His Character

The Bible is very specific about the character of the Antichrist, and the picture it paints is a disgusting one. The most detailed information can be found in the book of Daniel. Consider the chart below:

Over and over emphasis is given to the Antichrist's mouth. He will boast non-stop about himself (Daniel 7:8). He will "speak monstrous things against the God of gods" (Daniel 11:36). He will be "given a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies" (Revelation 13:5). First and foremost, he is going to be a braggart and a blasphemer.

He will be strong willed and reckless in his determination to have his way. He will show contempt for human traditions and will, of course, change even the calendar so that it will no longer be related to the birth of Jesus (Daniel 7:25).

Another point that is emphasized repeatedly is that the Antichrist will be possessed by Satan, just as Judas was (Luke 22:3). Daniel says his power will be mighty, "but not by his own power" (Daniel 8:24). Paul says his coming will be "in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders" (2 Thessalonians 2:9). John says that Satan will give his power and authority to the Antichrist (Revelation 13: 2).

Because he will be demonized, he will be a man who cannot be trusted. Psalm 52:2 says he will be a "worker of deceit." Psalm 55:21 says his speech will be "smoother than butter" but his heart will be filled with war. Psalm 5:6 calls him "a man of bloodshed and deceit." In Psalm 43:1 he is referred to as a "deceitful and unjust man."

Daniel indicates that he will be a sexual pervert, most likely a homosexual. As Daniel puts it, the Antichrist will show no regard "for the desire of women" (Daniel 11:37).

The overall picture is that of an ego-maniac who abhors God and exploits people for his own purposes. He is deceptive and ruthless. He is a man devoid of integrity. This is probably the reason that when Jesus returns, John characterizes Him as the "Faithful and True" One (Revelation 19:11), in contrast to the Antichrist who has been both unfaithful and untrue.

The lack of character that will be displayed by the Antichrist is perhaps best summed up in some of the names given to him in the Scriptures:

His Career

The Rapture of the Church is the event that will launch the career of the Antichrist. This is revealed in 2 Thessalonians 2 where Paul states that the Antichrist cannot be revealed until "he who now restrains" him is "taken out of the way" (verse 7). The restrainer of evil in the world today is obviously the Holy Spirit, and the Spirit performs that task by working through the Church.

It is the Church that will be "taken out of the way," not the Holy Spirit. We know this for certain because the book of Revelation teaches that a great multitude will be saved during the Tribulation (Revelation 7:9-14), and no one can be saved apart from the witness of the Spirit (John 6:44, John 15:26, and 1 John 5:7). The Spirit will remain in the world, but the agency the Spirit currently works through to restrain evil, the Church, will be removed.

The Rapture itself is likely to be the event that will catapult the Antichrist to power. This is because the Rapture will produce international chaos and panic. The Antichrist, energized by Satan (Daniel 8:24), will seem to have all the answers to the world's problems. He will take over the European Union through skillful intrigue (Daniel 8:23) and will establish his headquarters in Rome (Revelation 17:3,9,18).

The seven year time period of the Tribulation will actually begin when the Antichrist negotiates a treaty that will bring true peace to the Middle East, enabling the Jews to rebuild their Temple (Daniel 9:27). With his European base consolidated and peace achieved in the Middle East, he will set forth to subdue the whole world.

One of the myths about the Antichrist that has developed in modern day interpretation is that the whole world will become so enamored with him that all the nations will surrender their sovereignty to him voluntarily. The Bible does not teach this. It is also contrary to common sense. Africa and Asia and Latin America have not spent a century casting off European colonialism in order to suddenly turn around and receive a European dictator with open arms.

The world will resist him, and the result will be a Third World War in which he "will destroy to an extraordinary degree" (Daniel 8:24). This war will initially result in the death of one-fourth of humanity, or 1.5 billion people in today's terms (Revelation 6:2-8). As the Tribulation approaches its mid-point, this war will escalate into a nuclear holocaust that will result in the deaths of an additional one-third of those still alive — another 1.5 billion (Revelation 8 and 9).

It will be a empty victory because in the process of his conquest, one-third of the earth will be destroyed and half its population will be killed. He will then consolidate his "victory" by instituting a one-world economy and a one-world religion.

The key to his economic control will be a mark that each person will have to bear on their right hand or on their forehead (Revelation 13:16-18). No one will be able to buy or sell unless they have this mark. The mark will consist of "either the name of the beast or the number of his name" (Revelation 13:18).

His religious control will be exercised by a false prophet who will head up his pagan religious system (Revelation 13: 11-15). He will force all of humanity to worship the Antichrist. He will be a deceiver who will astound people with "great signs" that appear miraculous in nature. In order to consolidate this Satanic religious system, the Antichrist will launch a great persecution of all those who have placed their faith in the true God since the Rapture of the Church (Revelation 12:13-17). The result will be a mass slaughter of believers (Revelation 7:9-14).

This means that by the mid-point of the Tribulation, the Antichrist will have killed more than half of humanity (1.5 billion in the seal judgments, 1.5 billion in the trumpet judgments, and an undetermined multitude of saints.) It is no wonder that he is referred to in Scripture as "the man of lawlessness" and "the son of destruction" (2 Thessalonians 2:3).

Nor will all this slaughter satisfy his blood thirst. About the time that the Antichrist has consolidated his world empire, Satan will be cast from Heaven and will come to earth in "great wrath, knowing that he has only a short time" (Revelation 12:12). At that point he will possess the Antichrist, even as he possessed Judas (Luke 22:3).

When the Antichrist becomes Satan incarnate, he will become a megalomaniacal tyrant obsessed with two things: himself and the Jewish people.

He will suddenly march into the rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem, stop the sacrifices, blaspheme God, and declare himself to be the one and only true god (Daniel 9:27 and 2 Thessalonians 2:4). And when the Jews reject this horrible blasphemy, he will turn on them and seek to annihilate them. This will be his all-consuming passion during the second half of the Tribulation. That's why Jesus told the Jews that this period of time would be the "great tribulation" (Matthew 24:21) — not because it would be worse than the first half, but because the wrath would be focused upon them as a nation and a people.

Satan has an insane hatred for the Jews. He hates them because they gave the world the Scriptures. He hates them because God sent the Messiah through them. And he hates them because God has promised that He will bring a great remnant of them to salvation in their Messiah. He wants to destroy them so that God cannot keep that promise.

During the second half of the Tribulation, he will almost succeed in accomplishing this goal. We are told in Zechariah 13:8-9 that two-thirds of the Jewish people will die during this holocaust (another 9.3 million people).

His Fate

The Bible indicates that as the Antichrist becomes obsessed with the Jews, he loses interest in his worldwide empire, and segments of that empire begin to revolt. The core of the revolt is centered in the Asian nations who raise an army of 200 million and send it marching across Asia toward Israel where they hope to engage the Antichrist in a decisive battle for their freedom.

Daniel says that while the Antichrist and his armies are rampaging around the Middle East, looting the nations and killing the Jews, the Antichrist suddenly hears "rumors" that "disturb him" (Daniel 11:40-44). He evidently hears about the great Asian army coming to challenge him. He responds by consolidating his forces "between the seas and the beautiful Holy Mountain" (Daniel 11: 45). This is the same area that is referred to in Revelation as the Valley of Armageddon.

We are told that the Euphrates River dries up at this time and the great Asian army crosses to engage the Antichrist and his armies in battle (Revelation 16:12). As they fight, the Lord Jesus Christ breaks from the heavens, returns to the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem, and speaks a supernatural word that causes all the armies to drop dead in their tracks. "Their eyes rot in their sockets and their tongues rot in their mouths" (Zechariah 14:12), and the valley is filled with blood up to the horses' bridles for a distance of two hundred miles (Revelation 14:20).

Paul says the Antichrist will be slain by "the breath of the Lord" (2 Thessalonians 2:8). John says the Lord will make war against the Antichrist "with the sword of His mouth" (Revelation 2:16). Daniel says the Antichrist's "dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever" (Daniel 17:26). Daniel also says that the Antichrist will be thrown into "the burning fire" (Daniel 7:11).

John confirms the fate of the Antichrist in Revelation when he says that both the Antichrist and the False Prophet will be thrown into "the lake of fire which burns with brimstone" (Revelation 19:20) where "they will be tormented day and night forever and ever" (Revelation 20:10). This means that the Antichrist and the False Prophet will be the first occupants of Hell. (Satan will not be confined there until the end of the Millennium — Revelation 20:10).

Our Hope

The good news for believers is that we will not have to experience the horror of the Antichrist. We are never told to watch for the Antichrist; rather, we are told to look for Jesus Christ. In 1 Thessalonians 1:10 we are assured that we who are believers are waiting for Jesus to return to "deliver us from the wrath to come." That is a glorious promise. That's why Paul calls the Rapture our "blessed hope" (Titus 2:13), and its also the reason that he tells us to "comfort one another" with the promise of the Rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:18).

26 posted on 12/15/2009 9:02:39 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: ModelBreaker
John who also wrote Revelation makes it clear.

II Jon 1:7.

“For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, This is a deceiver and an anti-christ,”

There is a body of many members called the anti-Christ. This may come to focus in one representitive. However, many are in that body. The way to it is broad and the gate is wide and many go in.

We must be concerned to shine the Christ Light, so all may see and perhaps awake and rise in the Christ Body.

27 posted on 12/15/2009 9:13:33 PM PST by Armaggedon
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To: ModelBreaker
There is a Christ Body and there is an anti-Christ body. Everyone must choose one or the other. John made it clear.

I John 2:22.

“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is anti-christ, that denieth the Father and the Son.”

Yes the anti-Christ body may have billions of members. The Christ Body has many members as well. John 14:1-2.

“Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God. believe also in me.

In my Father's house are many mansions: If it were not so, I would have told you.”

The Father's house is the Christ body of many mansions. He is Lord of lords and King of kings.

28 posted on 12/15/2009 10:59:13 PM PST by Armaggedon
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To: Armaggedon; freema; Jeremiah Jr; null and void; 444Flyer; Diego1618; sheik yerbouty; Yehuda; ...
"And from the time that the daily sarifice* shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days."

The daily sacrifice* was taken away when Obama got the crown in the White House on January 20, 2009.

You should flesh this one out a bit.

*The "daily sacrifice" is simply "the daily" (ha-tamid). There is no word for sacrifice in the [Hebrew] text. What is removed is thus a "daily/continual/perpetual" thing, that - if not just assumed to be a temple sacrifice (because after all, there isn't one in the text) - is most perplexing. Or maybe it's simply that. A cessation of a long-standing continuity... a sudden (and detestable) departure from the status quo.

08548 tamiyd {taw-meed'}

from an unused root meaning to stretch; TWOT - 1157a; n m

AV - continually 53, continual 26, daily 7, always 6, alway 4, ever 3,
perpetual 2, continual employment 1, evermore 1, never 1; 104

1) continuity, perpetuity, to stretch
1a) continually, continuously (as adverb)
1b) continuity (subst)

What happens when this perpetual thing is taken away...

05493 cuwr {soor} or suwr (Hos 9:12) {soor}

a primitive root; TWOT - 1480; v

AV - (put, take,...) away 97, depart 76, remove 35, aside 29, take 14,
turn 12, turn in 9, take off 6, go 3, put 3, eschewed 3, misc 14; 301

1) to turn aside, depart
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to turn aside, turn in unto
1a2) to depart, depart from way, avoid
1a3) to be removed
1a4) to come to an end
1b) (Polel) to turn aside
1c) (Hiphil)
1c1) to cause to turn aside, cause to depart, remove, take
away, put away, depose
1c2) to put aside, leave undone, retract, reject, abolish
1d) (Hophal) to be taken away, be removed

CHANGE has come to America

And from the time that the detestable change has come to America and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be Tu B'Av.

Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to R'osh Hashanah.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Must all be a coincidence. Kind of like how B.O. - בא - means not only the one who arrives, but is the abbreviation for ben adam ("son of man" i.e. human being ב"א בֵּן-אדם)

Main dictionary link

29 posted on 12/16/2009 3:07:54 AM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: mkjessup
A beast coming out of the sea?


30 posted on 12/16/2009 8:22:16 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 329 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Flag_This
The four jackasses of the Apocalypse?

Oym stealing that, Oy am...

31 posted on 12/16/2009 8:23:11 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 329 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: null and void
The four jackasses of the Apocalypse?

Oym stealing that, Oy am...

Help yourself. I just wish it weren't true...

32 posted on 12/16/2009 9:19:36 AM PST by Flag_This (ACORN delenda est)
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To: Ezekiel
Yes dear friend “A cessation of continuity describes the inauguration of Obama into the White House. Obama is driven and possesed to deny the divine spirit that founded the free United States of America. God is no longer honored in Obama’s seat of power and instead the Obama Nation that makes desolate is set up in what was consecrated to holy service.

Obama has thrown his lot in with the secular Marxists and religious green cultists of Ba’al (Nature worship).

There are two bodies on hand. The Christ Body and the anti-Christ body. At end times comes the final judgment of the anti-Christ body according to the fashion that it judged. The most horrific judgement it judged was the mock trial and Crucifixion of Jesus Christ two thousand years ago. In that act the secular and religious factions of the anti-Christ body established its own judgment and demise.

Unless there is repentance, while time to repent is still available, the anti-Christ body, which continues to judge God and His people today, must pass away forever.

Matthew 7:1-2.

“Judge not, that ye be not judged.

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”

Obama and his minions, allies and one world government of mankind will reap what they have sown. The call goes out.

Revelation 18:4.

“And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, “Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.””

Time to Love and serve God together in the Christ Body. We need not suffer her plagues. God is merciful.

33 posted on 12/16/2009 10:19:10 AM PST by Armaggedon
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To: Armaggedon

Who could be so wicked to make a mockery of God’s word? The Lake of Fire will be your home

34 posted on 04/06/2011 7:25:55 PM PDT by rovingyapps
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