Posted on 12/17/2009 4:57:12 AM PST by bogusname
Israel experts said on Wednesday that a burial shroud known as the Turin shroud, assumed to be the type used to wrap the body of Jesus, did not actually originate from Jesus-era Jerusalem.
The conclusion was based on excavation discoveries of a first-century C.E. shrouded man found in a tomb on the edge of the Old City of Jerusalem, which also revealed the earliest proven case of leprosy.
Along with the DNA of the shrouded man, this was the first time that fragments of a burial shroud have been found from the time of Jesus in Jerusalem, which, unlike the complex weave of the Turin Shroud, this shroud was made up of a simple two-way weave, as the textiles historian Dr. Orit Shamir was able to show...
(Excerpt) Read more at haaretz.com ...
And in conclusion: the weave of the cloth here is not like the weave of the cloth in Turin, therefore the Turin Shroud is a fake.
Huh? How did we get there?
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Excavation of a tomb near the former New York City of an itinerant day laborer named John Doe reveals that 21st century Americans were not buried in wool suits with neckties but in denim cloth pants and shirts made of what was called chambray.
Rather than the woolen pinstripes alleged to be used ( a complex and advanced fabric) at the time, this proves that the suit of the alleged “Keith Olbermann” dates from some fifteen centuries later, when it was used to hold feminine hygiene products.
... cause, you know... lepers always got buried in the finest cloths available.
Let’s not forget that Joseph of Arimathea likely provided the shroud. Joseph was from the Sanhedrin. He probably got a burial shroud like the Sanhedrin would have used. I’m guessing that the Sanhedrin burial shrouds may have been a bit higher quality than lepers’ burial shrouds.
And given the response to the woman anointing him with oil, I don’t think Joseph would have said, “Wait... I can’t use this shroud; it’s too nice... I’ll go find a beggar’s shroud.”
How sad that so many require a piece of cloth of questionable origin to help justify their faith.
How sad that so many would spend so much time trying to debunk a piece of cloth in order to debunk an entire faith.
Well, the face of Christ was beaten so bad He didn’t look human. The guy on the shroud was in pretty good shape. Christ’s scalp was torn apart by blows to the head with a rod while He was wearing a crown of thorns. The shroud fella showed no such trauma. In addition to these things, they also plucked out His beard. Since the Bible says long hair is shameful for a man we can conclude our Lord had short hair.
It degrades the incredible sacrifice Christ actually did make to assume the comparatively healthy chap on the shroud of Turin is our Lord. Let us not be ignorant of nor ungrateful for what terrible things Christ had to endure for our sakes.
LOL
A faith that requires a piece of cloth is not worth having.
They also,examined a Christ-era shroud found in a Jerusalem tomb, covering the bones of a TB victim (presumably the contagious disease is what prevented his being reburied)- the composition of the cloth was not dissimilar from the Turin Shroud. The entire concept of a large piece of cloth being used as a shroud, instead of smaller pieces of linens used as “wrappings” to bind the body- is still up to debate. However, the events and trauma surrounding the described crucifixion and entombment of Jesus, did lead to a plausible scenario that his burial was atypical in many aspects and normal rituals may not have occurred on the day of his death.
I believe the Turin cloth is not Jesus’ but the logic here is flawed. Maybe everyone who was buried back then used the same cloth, but I doubt it.
How sad that so many require a piece of cloth of questionable origin to help justify their faith.
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How said a person would spend his time on earth attacking other believers.
You’re exactly right but the leaps in logic archeologist make, represented by this article, is stupid.
the anti-faith, not Christianity, seems to be the one, that “requires” proof of the origins of the shroud of Turin
CS Lewis did not need the Shroud of Turin to be a Christian, neither do the rest of the world’s Christians
if it is proven a faux relic, the faith will go on even as the anti-faith rejoices in its seeming triumph
I don't need a piece of cloth to justify my faith, but if it is real...and we will probably never know...it is just plain cool.
This is utter nonsense.
Complex weaves incorporated not only into clothing but magnificent tapestries are very prevalent during the first century BC - weaving had been around for thousands of years.
http://www.mansfield.edu/~art/Papyrus2GeoffreyBeadlea_picture_of_women_weaving_in_th.htm
“Maybe everyone who was buried back then used the same cloth, but I doubt it.”
Of course they used the same cloth. They bought the cloth from the leading cloth factory at that time. The advanced post-industrial age manufacturing processes in place at that time prove that there is no way the shroud of turin was Christ’s burial cloth. therefore Christ is not the son of God, and you should immediately begin practicing Islam before we nuke your ass.
Sincerely,
Mahmoud Ahmedinijad
/sarc off
Uhh... Joseph of Arimathea was rich? Hello?
“A faith that requires a piece of cloth is not worth having.”
Gamecock,
A piece of cloth?
Is that how you describe the progress we have had in the first 2000 years after Christ?
Tell me, what kind of progress was there during the 2000 years before Christ?
Piles of rock that got progressively bigger?
Religions that commit animal sacrifice to cleanse them of their sins?
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1135491.html
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