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Can Joel Osteen Help You Pay Your Bills?
CNN ^ | 12/18/09 | Christine Romans

Posted on 12/19/2009 6:37:28 PM PST by marshmallow

Houston, Texas (CNN) -- Joel Osteen strides into the former Compaq Center. Some 20,000 people are standing and singing. Purple lights softly pulse across the ceiling, and mist floats around two giant screens flashing words to the songs.

It's not a pulpit but a podium. It's not an altar but a stage. There is no cross. Instead a huge globe spins, and two massive bubbling creeks flank the stage. A lighting system softens distant corners of the massive arena and spreads colored light and smoke in strategic spots. Somehow, the space that will hold 40,000-plus on Sunday morning doesn't feel like a sports arena.

In the control room, producers watch multiple camera angles and feeds.

Smiling broadly, Osteen bounds up the few stairs to the stage, closes his eyes, lifts his hands and leads a prayer.

"God, I'm going to start this week off in faith. Expecting your goodness. Expecting to have a blessed and a prosperous week. Amen. Well, God bless you. Give him your very best today."

Welcome to Sunday morning at Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas. It's reportedly the nation's largest congregation and probably one of the most diverse places in America. One third of these churchgoers are Hispanic, one-third African-American and a quarter white. There are dozens of nationalities.

Osteen will give this sermon twice. He later said he knows immediately which segments to edit together into a sermon that will air on television to millions three weeks later.

Between services, he is signing his most recent book in the lobby, just past the bookstore that is one of the highest-grossing Christian bookstores in America.

His wife, Victoria, is co-pastor of the church and a best-selling author in her own right. In fact, the Osteens are not paid to be pastors at Lakewood, according to .............

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To: CyberAnt
See post #169

Choose what?

Can you tone down the drama a little bit.

201 posted on 12/24/2009 7:35:26 AM PST by Dallas
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To: Dallas

NO!!


202 posted on 12/24/2009 7:51:01 AM PST by CyberAnt (Healthcare is not a RIGHT guaranteed by the Constitution)
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To: Dallas; All

Read the scriptures and find out for yourself.

Deuteronomy 28, 29, 30.

God lays out the curses and blessings, and then God asks YOU to choose.

Guess you still want to blame everything on God.


203 posted on 12/24/2009 7:54:03 AM PST by CyberAnt (Healthcare is not a RIGHT guaranteed by the Constitution)
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To: CyberAnt
Guess you still want to blame everything on God.

What is that supposed to mean?

You keep attacking me for some reason. You're being very immature.

204 posted on 12/24/2009 8:19:15 AM PST by Dallas
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To: Terry Mross; CyberAnt
First of all, Satan has been granted authority over the earth.

First of all, you are wrong. Adam gave over 'authority' to satan in the garden. JESUS (the 2nd Adam), 2000 years ago, reclaimed 'our authority'!

'Resist satan and he will flee'. Who has the authority? Believers have the authority and the ONLY authority satan can have it what you give him. Some believers ACT on that authority by faith and some believers live their life in defeat because they believe as you do.
205 posted on 12/24/2009 9:20:23 AM PST by presently no screen name ( Elected officials are WELFARE RECIPIENTS.)
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To: Dallas; CyberAnt
Can you tone down the drama a little bit.

What you interpret as 'drama' is really someone who is 'walking in the blessings of God'. It's called the "Good News" for a reason.

The blessings are already there but it's the ones who believe and ACT by faith on those promises that receive them. Don't tell a man who already done it, that he can't.
206 posted on 12/24/2009 9:39:38 AM PST by presently no screen name ( Elected officials are WELFARE RECIPIENTS.)
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To: presently no screen name

no screen name and Cyberant...making stuff up or repeating stuff Joel told you doesn’t make it true. And any preacher who claims to be Christian but doesn’t have a cross anywhere around for fear of offending someone and thus limiting his market area is not a Christian preacher. Nor is one who says you can get to Heaven without believing in Christ. And you can say anything you want but he does say that. And by the way, how close can you get to this guy? He’s no different from Jesse Jackson. If you’ve got the money, he’s got the time.

And then Joel spoketh, sounding a lot like the country singer Whisperin’ Bill Anderson, “We weren’t nothin’ but po’ folks. Then daddy left the Baptists and went out on his own so he wouldn’t have to pay any dues to the organization and because he knew I couldn’t be a preacher without attending and passing seminary, which he knew I couldn’t do. And, since I couldn’t make it anywhere else, I went to work in the studio ‘cause I figured workin’ one day a week was a pretty good gig. Then I found out how much God loved me when my daddy died and I annointed myself to take over and start chargin’ admission prices. Yea, those among you who are depressed and have a buck, touch my garment and you will feel good!”

One more time, any so called man of the cloth who takes a 12 million dollar advance is not of God, in my oppinion. And I can make it to Heaven just fine without this creep. And he is creepy.

“BLINKITY,BLINKITY,BLINKITY,BLINKITY,BLINKITY,BLINKITY,
BLINKITY, BLINKITY,BLINKITY,BLINKITY da’ da’ da’ dat’s all, folks!”

As I sayeth, go worship at the globe of Joel and Victoria. I’ll serve the Lord.


207 posted on 12/24/2009 12:31:36 PM PST by Terry Mross (We need a "Second Sons of Liberty".)
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To: Terry Mross; CyberAnt
making stuff up or repeating stuff Joel told you doesn’t make it true

SHOW me where I made up ANYTHING. I can't repeat 'stuff' Joel told me because I DON'T WATCH HIM!! So much for your WEAK argument.

Your post is all over the place - and you didn't touch on what I posted to you. You were WRONG in saying....First of all, Satan has been granted authority over the earth.

You TOTALLY ignored your own lack of Truth - a truly BASIC TRUTH at that; yet, rant and rave on about some preacher and/or any poster who doesn't succumb to your 'poor' mentality.

I’ll serve the Lord.

You showed a mighty fine example of serving HIM - denouncing what He did at the Cross by saying satan has authority! Get to know the BASIC'S first before criticizing others.

I'll leave you with - I am BLESSED and Highly Favored. And ALL God's Promises to me are YES and AMEN!

2 Cor 1:20
For all the promises of God in Him are yea, and in Him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.
208 posted on 12/24/2009 2:51:14 PM PST by presently no screen name ( Elected officials are WELFARE RECIPIENTS.)
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To: Terry Mross; CyberAnt
Jesus died on the cross for mankind’s sins.

He died ONLY for our sins? Trying getting educated about EVERYTHING that Salvation includes.

Not to take the devil’s authority away. If that was the case everything would be hunky dory

What Bible do you read from? You are so clueless on the BASICS of Christianity! You should be embarrassed by your lack of knowledge - you don't even know that you don't know - yet, you tell others they are brainwashed!

“Beware of wolves in Sheep’s clothing” and “Many will come in my name”

Obviously, they got to you for YOU have been deceived on the BASICS of Christianity.

Waste your time worshipping at the cross of...the GLOBE of

Seems like you should be more concerned where YOU worship - at the altar of deception. You have demonstrated an unteachable spirit.
209 posted on 01/01/2010 11:23:35 PM PST by presently no screen name ( Elected officials are WELFARE RECIPIENTS.)
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To: CyberAnt
because they’re not perfect.

Yeah, and little do they understand that God hasn't had anyone "perfect" working for Him yet! Perfection is Jesus. And Jesus said 'only believe'.
210 posted on 01/01/2010 11:29:45 PM PST by presently no screen name ( Elected officials are WELFARE RECIPIENTS.)
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To: webstersII
‘Poverty Cult’

Good one! That's what satan wants them to believe. That's his gig - what is opposite of The Truth. Prosperity vs poverty; Good vs. evil; Life vs. death ...and the list goes on.
211 posted on 01/01/2010 11:35:39 PM PST by presently no screen name ( Elected officials are WELFARE RECIPIENTS.)
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To: marshmallow
As the saying goes...."no cross, no Christ". A fitting metaphor for the Gospel according to Joel.

A decoration (or lack of it) doesn't make or break a church. My church in Raleigh, NC, is a very powerful, successful, and growing church, and their sanctuary doesn't have a cross either. Guess I've been involved with a cult this whole time...

212 posted on 01/02/2010 1:02:55 AM PST by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: presently no screen name; All

Salvation is: safety, soundness, preservation, healing, deliverance and prosperity. Is that good enough for you ..??

But .. as usual .. when YOU don’t have a convincing argument against anything I said, all you can do is call me names.

Sorry .. but this conversation is over .. because YOU are too ignorant to carry on a discussion.

Good bye!


213 posted on 01/02/2010 4:00:49 PM PST by CyberAnt (Healthcare is not a RIGHT guaranteed by the Constitution)
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To: Terry Mross

Hey Terry - Post 113 is for you. Learn up!


214 posted on 01/02/2010 6:00:04 PM PST by presently no screen name
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