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There is no cross.

As the saying goes...."no cross, no Christ". A fitting metaphor for the Gospel according to Joel.

"If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me" isn't Joel's favorite piece of Scripture.

1 posted on 12/19/2009 6:37:29 PM PST by marshmallow
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Well, at least he doesn’t have any trouble playing his bills.


2 posted on 12/19/2009 6:39:11 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: marshmallow

When you buy his books, you’re paying his bills.


3 posted on 12/19/2009 6:40:18 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper ("The Community Organizer better stop bitching that the community is organizing." - Rush Limbaugh)
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Joel O is a fraud of monumental proportions using Christianity to pack his bank balances by tens of millions of dollars. Will these imbecile followers ever learn?


4 posted on 12/19/2009 6:42:24 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: marshmallow
"If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me" isn't Joel's favorite piece of Scripture.

He actually talks about and personally demonstrates a surrendered life, a committed life to the Lord, and living by faith in God's grace.

Many confuse a Philadelphia church with a Laodicean church. We are living in the lukewarm Laodicean era where Christ's return is imminent. Many who view Mr. Osteen from a distance and/or don't read his books confuse his ministry with the lukewarm Christ-less, faithless, cross-less, bloodless message of the apostate church. (I wasn't sure about him either until God helped me to take a closer look.) His ministry is biblically based, founded on scriptural doctrine, anointed, and infused with faith, hope and love.

The Pharisees of Jesus' day hated him because he didn't condemn people the way they did or follow their religious dictates. They also envied him because so many followed him. Crowds or the lack thereof neither qualifies nor disqualifies a ministry. "By their fruits (not leaves) you shall know them." Inspect Osteen's fruit and see what you come with. Pharisees are notorious leaf inspectors. No different with the Pharisees of today. Our notion of holiness isn't necessarily God's holiness. Jesus is the revelation of the Father and his holiness.

6 posted on 12/19/2009 6:48:34 PM PST by Jim 0216
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I purchased and read his book “How To Become A Better You” and enjoyed it but I stopped purchasing his books and listening to him when I found out that he didn't hold a Christmas service but instead he and his family jets off to Aspen or Vail or someplace. That his “church” doesn't have a cross proves even more that he is nothing more than a con man.
8 posted on 12/19/2009 6:49:26 PM PST by proudofthesouth (Political Correctness is being used to destroy our country/It's time to put CHRIST back in CHRISTmas)
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If you drop down the page which you had given the link for, you would have seen that story that Osteens saying that Obama loves the Lord. BARF!

I guess no one learned the lesson that Jim Bakker taught...


10 posted on 12/19/2009 6:51:35 PM PST by Buddygirl
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To: marshmallow

“hay, wood and stubble”


15 posted on 12/19/2009 6:55:30 PM PST by Doctor Don
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joel too positive everything is great for me preacher. i need some fire and brimstone to put me back in my place from time to time. no disrespect to joel just not my kind of message i need


16 posted on 12/19/2009 6:57:23 PM PST by remaxagnt (`)
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Excuse me, but the cross is only a symbol of Christ’s SACRIFICE for all humanity. The cross is not an idol to be worshipped.

And .. for anybody who is willing to hear, CHRIST IS NOT ON THE CROSS ANY LONGER. JESUS ROSE FROM THE DEAD - BY THE POWER OF GOD - PROVING THAT JESUS’ SACRIFICE WAS REAL AND HAD A PURPOSE. THE PURPOSE WAS TO SAVE ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE ON HIM (CHRIST) .. not all those who believe on Joel.

I watch Joel every Sunday. I find his preaching refreshing and uplifting, and I write down all the scripture references he uses and read them for myself.

It’s only jealously to be afraid of a Christian man who owns a huge and fancy arena in which to preach. Such a person needs to be redeemed.

A good key to remember is this: If Joel is from God, nobody will be able to stop him. If Joel is not from God, God is more than capable of shuting him down. The unbelievers of this world don’t have to do anything .. God can take care of it.


17 posted on 12/19/2009 6:58:33 PM PST by CyberAnt (Healthcare is not a RIGHT guaranteed by the Constitution)
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I seem to recall that Jesus promised his followers suffering in this life...but that kind of thing doesn’t exactly fill an arena now does it?


24 posted on 12/19/2009 7:08:03 PM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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Osteen is another religious con man, and many are willingly deceived by him. He is no different than Schuler or any other snake oil sales man. Osteen does not care if any of his zombies can pay their bills as long as he can live the life of luxury. Someone needs to remind him that he came into this world with nothing, and he will leave this world with nothing. Osteen may be attractive to his worldly followers, but he is repulsive to God.
29 posted on 12/19/2009 7:16:12 PM PST by Nosterrex
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This is certainly an interesting thread. I sense a lot of hostility and anger towards those that are considered "shysters." God certainly will sort out the hucksters from the genuine in due time. I suppose it's our duty to expose them as they come along. Joel Osteen will be judged by what he does and says, just as we all will be. As a teacher, he knows the admonitions to teach the whole Gospel.

The Bible says that we will be persecuted for what we believe. Iraqi Christians have been used as examples of this kind of persecution. Christians are being persecuted all over the world, and not just in Iraq. There's certainly enough persecution in the world even though it's not at all highlighted by any large media source...unfortunately.

So, perhaps we should direct our anger at ruthless dictators who persecute our fellow Believers. Pick a country in Africa or the Middle East. Then pray. Pray that they'll be bold and courageous in the face of intense persecution. Pray that they'll continue to lift Christ high and exalted.
60 posted on 12/19/2009 8:00:25 PM PST by tenger (If we don't stay on 'em, they'll get it wrong -Soucheray)
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Is he telling the congregation what it yearns to hear? I tried to listen to him once, but my mind started wandering off in a hurry.


76 posted on 12/19/2009 8:20:04 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: marshmallow

CNN....oh please give me a break...


79 posted on 12/19/2009 8:24:25 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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As the saying goes...."no cross, no Christ".

Really?

Funny, there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of Christian churches around the world who do not have a cross in them.

And yet they are far better Christians then many I have met here in the States.

95 posted on 12/19/2009 8:53:26 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (I miss the competent fiscal policy and flag waving patriotism of the Carter Administration)
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I used to wonder about the ‘unfairness’ of circumstances among people whether they are Christian or of any other faith or without a faith. I felt it most keenly one night when I was upset about something I thought was ‘big’ in my life but I lay in a modest dwelling with a favorite blanket wrapped around me. It was about 45 degrees outside and I knew quite well that the homeless would be lucky to find a place for the night and they probably wouldn’t have their ‘favorite’ blanket with them. In the eyes of God, I do not ‘merit’ a blanket and others the cold hard ground in the winter.
If I remain unemployed much longer I will lose my house but I do thank God that I ever had a house to begin with…and He never promised me a house – He promised me a lasting home, with Him.
Why, if we are all to prosper literally, do some dig through rubbish for food (in our country or any other)? Why am I ambulatory and another confined to a wheelchair if God wants us to prosper (in health) in this life? In the past few years I have come to agree with the pastor of the church I attend – God loves us and wants us to prosper but it is not always material things or physical health that he uses to prospers us.
God also promises ‘in this life you will have struggles’ and my pastor jokes that he has yet to see that particular promise in a inspirational Hallmark figurine (like the little waif holding a sign that reads ‘I wuv you’) or a lovely Hummel figurine.
I think Joel Osteen preaches half the message – the encouraging half – and by omission does a disservice to those who are undergoing struggle, financial or otherwise. I read his book and was at times encouraged by his positive mindset and other times repelled by his confidence that God wants him to have a luxurious house (my paraphrasing of a passage in Joel’s book).
I think there is room and need for both halves of the Word – the struggle half and the prosperity (in all its forms) half. Why did Job struggle? It wasn’t because he didn’t love God or wasn’t faithful. This recorded (mp3) sermon, titled “Surviving Life’s Unanswered Questions” finally makes sense to me and has given me the best explanation, so far, for the ‘unexplainable’ (the concept of suffering)
http://www.tlc.org/sermons/details.php?sermon_id=288

I feel Joel doesn’t help his followers prepare for the hard times we all face.


103 posted on 12/19/2009 9:09:54 PM PST by ransomnote
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“Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be perfect, 16 go, sell what you have and give to (the) poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
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When the young man heard this statement, he went away sad, for he had many possessions.
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17 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Amen, I say to you, it will be hard for one who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven.
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Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for one who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
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18 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and said, “Who then can be saved?”
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Jesus looked at them and said, “For human beings this is impossible, but for God all things are possible.”
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Then Peter said to him in reply, “We have given up everything and followed you. What will there be for us?”
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19 Jesus said to them, “Amen, I say to you that you who have followed me, in the new age, when the Son of Man is seated on his throne of glory, will yourselves sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
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And everyone who has given up houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands for the sake of my name will receive a hundred times more, and will inherit eternal life.
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20 But many who are first will be last, and the last will be first.”
Matthew
Chapter 19USCCB


126 posted on 12/20/2009 7:34:20 AM PST by OpusatFR (Tagline not State Approved. Thoughts not State Approved. Actions not State Approved)
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Mark


128 posted on 12/20/2009 7:42:58 AM PST by sport
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140 posted on 12/20/2009 11:43:03 AM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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No, people help HIM pay his bills..


146 posted on 12/20/2009 5:06:02 PM PST by RnMomof7
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