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To: CyberAnt

Tell us Joel Osteen’s “Prosperity Gospel” is not an outright fraud. Here is Joel O in his own words and where another fraudster Rick Warren takes him on. Have fun.

For Osteen, Prosperity Gospel isn’t a pejorative term:

“Does God want us to be rich?” he asks. “When I hear that word rich, I think people say, ‘Well, he’s preaching that everybody’s going to be a millionaire.’ I don’t think that’s it.” Rather, he explains, “I preach that anybody can improve their lives. I think God wants us to be prosperous. I think he wants us to be happy. To me, you need to have money to pay your bills. I think God wants us to send our kids to college. I think he wants us to be a blessing to other people. But I don’t think I’d say God wants us to be rich. It’s all relative, isn’t it?”

On the other side is the guy whose church rounds out the “largest four” list:
“This idea that God wants everybody to be wealthy?”, [Rick] Warren snorts. “There is a word for that: baloney. It’s creating a false idol. You don’t measure your self-worth by your net worth. I can show you millions of faithful followers of Christ who live in poverty. Why isn’t everyone in the church a millionaire?”


75 posted on 12/19/2009 8:16:39 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Both of them are theological “children”.


81 posted on 12/19/2009 8:30:14 PM PST by Gapplega
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To: Steelfish; All

This argument is so lame.

How can you be a blessing unless you have the means to be a blessing ..??

I’ve never seen a poor person who helped another poor person. In order to help someone you have to have the finances to bless someone else. You can’t give what you don’t have.

Besides, God wrote it: “Beloved, above all I wish that you mayest prosper and be in good health, EVEN AS YOUR SOUL PROSPERS”. So while you’re learning more and more about God, God is planning on you being able to prosper financially as well. Perhaps a better job will come your way - unless of course you don’t believe God can do those things.

It’s sad really. You don’t believe God .. so you don’t want anybody else to believe either; because if others believe, then it makes you look bad.


89 posted on 12/19/2009 8:43:46 PM PST by CyberAnt (Healthcare is not a RIGHT guaranteed by the Constitution)
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To: Steelfish

I missed your point in that post.

Sounds like Osteen says that God wants us to improve our lives, have enough to live and some left over for others. What’s wrong with that? There are lots of promises in the NT where we are told that God will take care of our physical needs. Are you disagreeing with that?


96 posted on 12/19/2009 8:56:30 PM PST by webstersII
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