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Pelosi: Bishop Has Tried To Change My Mind
CMR ^ | December 29, 2009 | Patrick Archbold

Posted on 12/29/2009 12:58:07 PM PST by NYer

In an interview with Newsweek's Eleanor Clift, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi criticized the Church for its position on abortion and gays rights and stated that her Bishop has "tried to change my mind"

Pelosi responds to questions about abortion in the health-care bill and her insistence that the original pre-Stupak bill did not fund abortion and says of the Bishops "they are not willing to accept facts."

It was reported that you were negotiating with the conference of bishops.

I talked to one of the cardinals. I said to him that I believe that what we are doing honors the principles we talked about: we want to pass a health-care bill, we want it to be abortion neutral, and we want it to [have] no federal funding [for abortion], which is the law. And we believe that our language does that. They said, "We believe that it does not." I said, let's sit down at the table and our lawyers can compare language. That's what the meeting was about—to make our case. Clearly, the people at that table were not willing to accept what we know to be a fact.
Pelosi goes on to criticize the Church for its position on abortion and gay marriage while still claiming to be a "practicing" Catholic
I think you have had some brushes with [church] hierarchy.

I have some concerns about the church's position respecting a woman's right to choose. I have some concerns about the church's position on gay rights. I am a practicing Catholic, although they're probably not too happy about that. But it is my faith. I practically mourn this difference of opinion because I feel what I was raised to believe is consistent with what I profess, and that is that we are all endowed with a free will and a responsibility to answer for our actions. And that women should have that opportunity to exercise their free will.
And finally admits that her Bishop has tried to change her mind on the subject, but she is not listening.
Is it difficult for you to reconcile your faith with the role you have in public life?

You know, I had five children in six years. The day I brought my fifth baby home, that week my daughter turned 6. So I appreciate and value all that they want to talk about in terms of family and the rest. When I speak to my archbishop in San Francisco and his role is to try to change my mind on the subject, well then he is exercising his pastoral duty to me as one of his flock. When they call me on the phone here to talk about, or come to see me about an issue, that's a different story. Then they are advocates, and I am a public official, and I have a different responsibility.
What we know is that Nancy Pelosi continues to publicly represent herself as a faithful and practicing Catholic while continuing to to publicly oppose the Church on grave moral matters. We also know that her Bishop has apparently contacted her privately to try and change her mind, to which she has responded publicly by saying she will not be swayed. This is a text-book definition of scandal and should, at this point, be dealt with in a direct and public way lest no one else think that you can hold these positions and consider yourself a "practicing" Catholic.

ht to Newsbusters for the interview.


TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: 111th; abortion; catholicpoliticians; healthcare; pelosi; proaborts

1 posted on 12/29/2009 12:58:08 PM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 12/29/2009 12:58:44 PM PST by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone" - Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer

So how deep in hell DOES one go when one has publicly and unjustly called one’s Bishop a liar.


3 posted on 12/29/2009 1:00:19 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: NYer

Please...no pics of either of these grotesques...it could break the screens of hundreds...


4 posted on 12/29/2009 1:01:30 PM PST by jessduntno ("The system is working just as it should..." - Jan "The Man" Napolitano)
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To: NYer

Most Protestant denominations would invite Pelosi to attend some other church. I wonder when the Catholics are going to excommunicate her.


5 posted on 12/29/2009 1:01:43 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: NYer

Language? Why is there a need for lawyers, if is plain? How about, “No Federal Monies may be used to fund ANY abortion practice or procedure, under penalty of DEATH.”

Well, now, that would just about do it.


6 posted on 12/29/2009 1:01:51 PM PST by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: NYer

AND, why does the church not call these evil people out? Excommunicate them - PUBLICLY.

It is telling that this does not happen.


7 posted on 12/29/2009 1:03:12 PM PST by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: NYer
Enemies of the Republic collectors card #4:
> The Nasty
8 posted on 12/29/2009 1:04:06 PM PST by Tawiskaro
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To: WayneS

And how deep must a Bishop go to NOT excommunicate one so evil?


9 posted on 12/29/2009 1:04:09 PM PST by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: RoadGumby

Good point.


10 posted on 12/29/2009 1:05:50 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: NYer
This is a text-book definition of scandal and should, at this point, be dealt with in a direct and public way lest no one else think that you can hold these positions and consider yourself a "practicing" Catholic.

Absolutely!

11 posted on 12/29/2009 1:06:34 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: NYer

It absolutely puzzles me that these hypocrites - Pelosi, Kennedy, Kerry, Cuomo, etc. etc. etc. - put any effort into pretending they are “Catholic”...What is the point in professing to believe what you don’t believe? What kind of “believer” thinks their belief system is stupid and wrong? As for free will, they have the free will to pick another faith - one they actually AGREE with (say, devil worship, for example) - so why don’t they?


12 posted on 12/29/2009 1:07:59 PM PST by LizzyD
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To: NYer
I have some concerns about the church's position respecting a woman's right to choose. Trans- I have a problem with not being able to murder unborn children anytime I want, just so I can bump uglies at will.

I have some concerns about the church's position on gay rights. Trans - I have a problem with Jesus saying what He did. How dare He spread HATE like that, Doesn't He know about DIVERSITY?

I am a practicing Catholic, although they're probably not too happy about that. But it is my faith. Trans - They don't have the cojones the Good Lord gave a cabbage to do anyhting about me!

13 posted on 12/29/2009 1:08:46 PM PST by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: NYer

Pelosi may be a “practicing” Catholic; but, obviously, she has not yet gotten it right.


14 posted on 12/29/2009 1:19:31 PM PST by reg45 (Be calm everyone. The idiot children are in charge!)
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To: reg45

She’s practicing in the penalty box. She never actually makes it onto the ice.


15 posted on 12/29/2009 1:26:12 PM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: Tawiskaro; MamaDearest; freekitty; oswegodeee; Nachum; Howie66; rodguy911; ZULU; Clintonfatigued; ..

My dog sleeps about 20 hours a day. She has her food prepared for her. She can eat whenever she wants, 24/7/365. Her meals are provided at no cost to her. She visits the Dr. once a year for her checkup, and again during the year if any medical needs arise. Of course, this is before MengeleCare. For this she pays nothing, and nothing is required of her just like members of the US Congress. She lives in a nice neighborhood in a house that is much larger than she needs, but she is not required to do any upkeep. If she makes a mess, someone else cleans it up. She has her choice of luxurious places to sleep. She receives these accommodations absolutely free. She is living like a queen, and has absolutely no expenses whatsoever. All of her costs are picked up by others who go out and earn a living every day. I was just thinking about all this, and suddenly it hit me like a brick in the head, Holy S#!t, my dog is a Pelosi Democrat!


16 posted on 12/29/2009 1:53:20 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead (Clean the RAT/RINO Sewer in 2010 and 2012)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

LOL, have any more openings?


17 posted on 12/29/2009 2:00:09 PM PST by SouthTexas (May you have a Blessed Christmas!)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

I hope you have not insulted your dog. Your dog will love you unconditionally all his days and will do all he can to protect you. Pelosi Democrats will only ask, “What have you done for me lately?”


18 posted on 12/29/2009 2:02:18 PM PST by Faith (Natural born citizen and willing to prove it.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
Holy S#!t, my dog is a Pelosi Democrat!

Now you're talking! My niece's ex-boyfriend worked in New Orleans cleanup and tried to hire some men sitting on a wall watching them. They didn't want to work, no matter what they were paid - they had federal money coming to them and didn't want to "mess it up." Yup, same mentality, Obama transfer of wealth - working stiffs transferring their tax money to worthless stiffs waiting for their stash from their ACORN, SEIU, et al endorsed political heroes who make sure they'll never in their lifetime have to raise a finger except to salute middle class Americans.

19 posted on 12/29/2009 2:04:12 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: ExTexasRedhead

The analogy breaks down when you consider comparative life spans. Pity.


20 posted on 12/29/2009 3:08:56 PM PST by Tawiskaro
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To: ExTexasRedhead
Holy S#!t, my dog is a Pelosi Democrat!

Lol ... sounds like both our dogs enjoy the same podium.

21 posted on 12/29/2009 3:09:55 PM PST by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone" - Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer

Hard to change something that’s not only closed, but cemented shut.


22 posted on 12/29/2009 3:12:35 PM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: NYer
I practically mourn this difference of opinion because I feel what I was raised to believe is consistent with what I profess, and that is that we are all endowed with a free will and a responsibility to answer for our actions.

HO HO HO!

The old Pelegius arguments come home to roost.

23 posted on 12/29/2009 4:23:37 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: ExTexasRedhead

It’s sad this comman woman, Pelosi, thinks she is above God.


24 posted on 12/29/2009 4:24:55 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: NYer

I’m glad her Bishop has tried to change her mind. I hope God will hold her to very strict account on her judgment day.

I think the Bishops need to speak out clearly and regularly that the politicians who say they’re Catholic but support abortion are not really Catholic. They need to educate Catholic voters better about their culpability in voting for the faux Catholics.


25 posted on 12/29/2009 5:37:57 PM PST by Melian ("Here's the moral of the story: Catholic witness has a cost." ~Archbishop Charles Chaput)
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To: NYer

The church is slow but hopefully sure on this one. Pelosi had a closed-door audience with Pope Benedict months ago, and the Pope denied her the coveted photo-op. She made false claims about how the conversation went, and is pushing this way too far. She is a heretic, an embarrasment, and I pray will soon be excommunicated. As a praticing Catholic I can tell you the she is putting a chill in the church. Our leaders often let us down, but God will not be mocked. This will not end well for the heretic.


26 posted on 12/29/2009 5:49:47 PM PST by untwist
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To: KosmicKitty
Hard to change something that’s not only closed, but cemented shut.

Too sadly true!

27 posted on 12/29/2009 7:33:45 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: taxcontrol
I wonder when the Catholics are going to excommunicate her

Never. It takes a miracle.

28 posted on 12/30/2009 4:07:09 AM PST by kosta50 (Don't look up -- the truth is all around you.)
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To: HarleyD
The old Pelegius arguments come home to roost

Sounds pretty Anglican to me.

29 posted on 12/30/2009 4:11:46 AM PST by kosta50 (Don't look up -- the truth is all around you.)
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To: NYer

She is a lot dumber than I thought.


30 posted on 12/30/2009 4:13:06 AM PST by kosta50 (Don't look up -- the truth is all around you.)
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To: kosta50
I wonder how much the skank donates to the Church.
31 posted on 12/30/2009 6:30:34 AM PST by seemoAR (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, dazzle them with bull.)
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To: seemoAR
I wonder how much the skank donates to the Church.

That's another thing, isn't it?

32 posted on 12/30/2009 6:32:26 AM PST by kosta50 (Don't look up -- the truth is all around you.)
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