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To: NYer
"The Council of Ephesus, once confirmed by the Pope, became the third ecumenical council of the Catholic Church, and its teaching in this matter is dogma, truth revealed by God which all are bound to accept.'

Absolute nonsense! Confirmation by the Pope had little or nothing to do with it, at least insofar as the entire Church was concerned. The Council was convened by the Emperor, not the Pope. The Pope was invited by the Emperor, he, or rather his legates, didn't just show up. Prior to the opening of the Council, the pope had already given his opinion on the matter of Nestorius and his teachings and what should happen to him and his heretical fellow travelers. All that was "suspended" once the authority of the synod of the universal Church was evoked which clearly demonstrates that, at least in the 5th century, the pope of Rome was subject to a Great Council, not the other way around. I am surprised that a man like Dr. D'Ambrosio would attribute the dogmatic authority of the the decrees of the Councils of Ephesus to their acceptance by the pope. That's simply unnecessary papal propaganda which detracts from the central truth proclaimed by the Council which all Protestants need to understand and embrace, namely that Mary is the Most Holy Theotokos.

5 posted on 01/02/2010 7:00:09 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
“I am surprised that a man like Dr. D’Ambrosio would attribute the dogmatic authority of the the decrees of the Councils of Ephesus to their acceptance by the pope. That's simply unnecessary papal propaganda which detracts from the central truth proclaimed by the Council which all Protestants need to understand and embrace, namely that Mary is the Most Holy Theotokos.”

I understand you take issue with the authority of the Pope according to Roman Catholics, but I don't see how Dr. D’Ambrosio is creating impediments for the belief in the theology of the communication of idioms as it is applied to Mary.

Authority of councils, or the bishop of Rome or otherwise, the theology is actually extremely sound. Considering the alternatives would then lead us to assume that God did not “assume humanity,” and that our humanity cannot then be said to be sanctified by the divinity of God.

I don't like that outcome.

As an aside, given the argument that the Emperor convened the council, you wouldn't say that is an argument here nor there for Cesaro Papism either. So the argument as to “who convened the council” deciding its authority is a straw-man.

The difference is that Papal representatives were present, despite Nestorianism being a purely eastern heresy. I mean, why would there be representatives from Rome if there were no Nestorians in Italy?

7 posted on 01/02/2010 8:28:59 AM PST by Bayard
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To: Kolokotronis
"... namely that Mary is the Most Holy Theotokos."

A bit of unscriptural nonsense, and illogic.

The Logos was God from all time, and his human body, born through Mary was not what made him God, nor has it anything to do with why he is God. Mary was not Mother of any part of his 'Godness,' nor did she ever claim to be.

30 posted on 01/03/2010 5:54:51 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: Kolokotronis
That's simply unnecessary papal propaganda which detracts from the central truth proclaimed by the Council which all Protestants need to understand and embrace, namely that Mary is the Most Holy Theotokos.

We do not need to understand nor do we or you have to embrace any such notion...

Whether I believe your theory or not in no way diminishes my standing with God...

God was here before Mary...She could not under any circumstances be the Mother of God...Jesus (God) was not created in Mary's womb...

Did the only begotten Son enter into Mary's womb as a little baby??? As a Godly sperm???

When you guys baptize a baby and the baby is filled with the Holy Spirit, does the Holy Spirit become a little baby, or is the Spirit fully grown as we might perceive Him to be...

The fact is, it doesn't matter...It's a mystery God didn't reveal to you, me, or anyone else...

55 posted on 01/05/2010 10:01:58 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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