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St. John Cantius: Tridentine Mass
Vanity ^ | 1-04-10 | mlizzy

Posted on 01/04/2010 3:58:18 AM PST by mlizzy

While researching an article, my husband heard about St. John Cantius Parish (Chicago), which offers the Tridentine Mass. Being only a thirty minute drive, we decided to make the trip for my first Tridentine Mass ever on January 1st, the feast day of Mary, Mother of God. Being in awe of the Mass, we decided to return on the Epiphany (yesterday). Gregorian chant was heard almost completely throughout the Mass by their choir of just a few individuals. The Tridentine Mass itself is the most beautiful, heavenly, and fluid Mass I could ever imagine. No altar girls, no Eucharistic ministers, Communion at the altar and on the tongue only. The priest brings you to God, while taking away from himself (he speaks very quietly, although there are books to follow the Mass, and his eyes are on Christ or when facing the parishioners, cast down). And while my daughter took some lovely photographs, it's impossible to completely capture the old beauty of this particular church which totally encapsulates you in religious art and wonder. If you're in the Chicago area, and would like to take in a Tridentine Mass, I would highly recommend St. John's.

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1 posted on 01/04/2010 3:58:20 AM PST by mlizzy
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To: mlizzy

How beautiful! Thank you.


2 posted on 01/04/2010 4:03:16 AM PST by ottbmare (I could agree wth you, but then we'd both be wrong.)
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To: mlizzy
MapQuest Directions to St. John Cantius
3 posted on 01/04/2010 4:08:37 AM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: mlizzy

THIS ABSOLUTELY ROCKS! Oh yeah.

This is what the Roman Catholic Church needs to return to.

>>> No ferns or fluffy plants on the altar.
>>> No tacky felt banners made by the Liturgical committee.
>>> No Communion in the hand.
>>> No folksy guitar playing lesbos warbling along about Kum-bay-ah in a Joan Baez manner.
>>> No more fruitcake “priests” conducting a comedy show.
>>> Return of the Baptismal Font - not the Baptismal jacuzzi.

etc. etc. etc.

Glad that you posted these pics.


4 posted on 01/04/2010 4:09:17 AM PST by trollcrusher (Like a moon without a tide ...)
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To: trollcrusher
What a great comment. Had me and my husband laughing. We just returned from our old parish (which we still attend for daily mass as it is closer than our new one), and it was all decked out in Better Homes and Gardens Christmas decor. Ugh!

On the positive side, however, they still have a manger scene replete with Jesus to the side of their altar, which is a bit surprising as half of the congregation "still" stands while the other half kneels during the Consecration (something that has been going on for well over a decade). Now, if I can only convince my husband (to skip work!) and take the trip to St. John Cantius for their 6:00 a.m. "daily" Tridentine Mass ...
5 posted on 01/04/2010 5:10:01 AM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: ottbmare
How beautiful! Thank you.

You are welcome. I am thoroughly hooked on the Tridentine Mass after only a couple visits, and I hope this will now be our Sunday Mass church. It was funny, after the Mass, a fellow parishioner greeted us from our usual Sunday Church which IS a very strong Catholic Parish, i.e, Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration, amazing amount of statues for a modern building, great Catholic decor, solid priests, etc. But we do not yet have the Tridentine Mass. (I'm going to have to inquire next time I see one of our priests.)
6 posted on 01/04/2010 5:15:59 AM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: mlizzy

I live in an area that’s been Catholic since 1630 or so, I don’t know why we don’t seem to have any attractive churches, just modern ones. Ick. The one I’m getting inducted into is awfully plain and modern, which I don’t find conducive to spiritual elevation. But that’s just my own lack of spiritual maturity talking.


7 posted on 01/04/2010 5:27:59 AM PST by ottbmare (I could agree wth you, but then we'd both be wrong.)
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To: ottbmare
I live in an area that’s been Catholic since 1630 or so, I don’t know why we don’t seem to have any attractive churches, just modern ones. Ick. The one I’m getting inducted into is awfully plain and modern, which I don’t find conducive to spiritual elevation. But that’s just my own lack of spiritual maturity talking.

My brother-in-law, who is an R.C. priest, has said that as long as the words uttered by the priest are correct, that the Eucharist is indeed the Body of Christ, so no matter how cranky of a priest, or modern of a building, the Host is indeed Jesus, and that has gotten me through many an otherwise uninspiring Mass. But I wish all churches looked like St. John's, too, and I'm even starting to wish all Masses were Tridentine. If you could have joined me at this Mass, you probably wouldn't have wanted to leave. So many people just stayed in the pews after Mass both times we were there. What a joy! So much peace and inspiration.:)
8 posted on 01/04/2010 6:50:40 AM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: mlizzy

mlizzy ...

I am from Chicago originally and now live in Florida, however, in a heartbeat, I’d trade the weather down here for the convenience of serving at a daily Tridentine Rite Mass. No hesitation whatsoever.

Glad that you and your husband got a laugh out of my rather somewhat “caustic” reply. I’ve gotten a lot of flack for my opionon on this matter (i.e. the reforms in the wake of Vatican II) from other Catholics, however, I’ve stuck to my guns on it.

I do hope and pray that it will continue in this direction.

Thanks again for the wonderful photos and your commentary. I’ve gone ahead and saved the link to the Church there in Chicago for further perusal on my part.

Very, very grateful to you for posting it though ... not a coincidence that you posted it and I just happened to read it a few minutes after you did so. I was just about to log off when I went back to check the most recent posts list and *POW*, there it was. Gave me a bit of a shock, albeit more of a signal grace from someone looking out for me (Jesus? Mary? St. Michael? My Guardian Angel? Someone? All of ‘em and more I think). ;-)

Thanks a bunch.

trollcrusher

“AD JESUM PER MARIAM”


9 posted on 01/04/2010 5:16:45 PM PST by trollcrusher (Like a moon without a tide ...)
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To: trollcrusher
We understood your "caustic" reply all too well. I'm one who spends time jockeying about to make sure I receive from a priest at mass instead of a Eucharistic minister -- it was somewhat difficult to do so and not make a trifle bit of a scene, but I've now got it down pat, counting the line's receivers on either side of the Church, so I'm in alignment with the priest when I get up front. Oh, the distractions. Anyway, I needn't do this as Jesus is Jesus, no matter which mass He is present at, but I do it anyway. Eucharistic ministers are for extraordinary purposes, and I've not yet witnessed a reason for their implementation.

If I get more pictures of the Church -- there's much to photograph -- I'll add them to this link. Thanks again for appreciating. I wasn't sure how many on Free Republic were ardent supporters or enthusiasts of the Tridentine Mass. And I never guessed I'd be so taken by same.

Since you are from Chicago, do you know this area (or church)? And do you have a Tridentine Mass that you attend in Florida?
10 posted on 01/05/2010 10:28:57 AM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: mlizzy

mlizzy ...

Regarding the St. John Cantius church in Chicago ... no, I wasn’t familiar with it at all. I lived in the Lincoln Park / Lakeview area for a couple of years and knew that there are several Roman Catholic churches “peppered” around the metropolitan Chicago area. As you well know, Chicago was built on the backs of European immigrants / Irish / etc., so as a natural outgrowth of their piety, they were big on putting down spiritual “roots” there.

A lot of history in that town. Sadly, as the years have passed and the generations erode away, it seems as if the churches have either had to close down; trim back their service times; sell property; or move / be consolidated into another parish.

I know of one other Tridentine Rite church there in Chicago that, if I remember correctly, is known as the “Institute / Shrine of Christ the King Soverign Priest” http://www.institute-christ-king.org/chicago/ that is being restored. Please know that I have not been back to Chi town in a very long time (June ‘92), so I am not cognizant of just what is happening around town at all (unless I’ve seen it on WGN ... and I haven’t watched television for five years). ;-)

You are doing the correct thing with regard to receiving Holy Communion. The Eucharistic ministers were primarily a measure in the wake of V2 to involve the parishoners more in the Mass via a shared imput / responsibility / dissemination of how it is seen, felt, heard, and absorbed by the faithful. Little did the public know (or for that matter, the Liturgical Committees and the powers that be in the uppper echelons of the Church) just how far it would go. I would venture to say that some Anglican churches have more of the accoutrements and “bells & smells” that resemble the early, early post V2 Church (circa 1966 - 68) than Roman Catholic churches do now. Very sad to see.

The corrosion has come from within. But returning to the subject of Eucharistic ministers, it has now become a stop-gap measure to compensate for the massive decline in vocations to the Priesthood / religious orders. The covert / overt message to the masses (no pun intended) is that “the priest is just there to consecrate the Host, offer blessings, and conduct the Mass ... everything else can be performed by *US*”. A metaphor that comes to mind is that it is akin to many people [the parishoners] sitting out on a limb of a tree [Church doctrine / the Mass / etc.] and sawing off [i.e. conducting the reforms] the branch at its strongest point [i.e. the priest] ... that of where it adheres to the trunk itself [the Church / Magesterium]. Sort of like a suicide in slow motion.

Hence, seeing ponytails serving at the altar; Communion in the hand; the weight of the Liturgical Committees; the removal of statuary; the USCCB yearly tweaking of the Mass (”kneel here now ... no wait, don’t kneel now - stand, no wait, kneel and stand at the same time, NO NO NO, do jumping jacks, oh just forget the whole thing and lets just bow down to Mecca”); and the ambiguity of some of the statements originating from wall of silence / individuals in high places in Rome are disconcerting in a very alarming way.

If the vocations situation does not improve here soon, I fear that what is gonna happen is either:

a. A sort of Mass by proxy priest (i.e. a single priest consecrating the Host at a central location whereby via closed circuit television or some other method, will then consecrate the hosts at the satellite churches that are tied into the CCTV feed). No priest at the satellite churches, but everything else looks the same. Akin to the televangelists on TV.

b. The liberals in the upper portions of the Church are just salivating at the possiblility of getting a liberal Cardinal in for becomming the next Pope. *IF* that happens, I fear that the “solution” to the vocation crisis will somehow be like that of putting frosting and candles on a dog turd. Sure, it might look yummy and pleasing on the outside, but once ya take a big ole bite, watch out. The “solution” that possibly will be foisted on the faithful for consumption will be the ordination of women, optional celibacy for priests, married priests, and God forbid that this ever happens, openly gay priests / religious (they are alive and conspiring right N-O-W like wolves in sheeps clothing) under the guise of “tolerance” or whatever politically correct verbiage of the day. Just an erosion of what once was held tried and true for 2000 years only to be usurped by the whims of a misguided few as to how the Church relates to the modern world. It once was considered a bastion to the tides and tribulations of the outside world (and was held in high esteem by people), but following Pope John XXIII and Pope Paul VI’s open windows to the world policy, all the detritus from outside made its way inside.

c. That people will just become more and more apathetic and turn to other faiths or pseudo faiths. Protestantism is working in overdrive to recruit disaffected / naive / those unaware of Church Doctrine & Roman Catholic history, into its rank and file. Sure, they may have the bells and whistles and buy one get one free type of attitude there, but I am gonna paraphrase here from Matthew XXIII: xxv to xxvii

“25 Wo to you Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites: because you make clean the outside of the cup, and of the dish, but within you are full of extortion and uncleanness.

26 Thou blind Pharisee, first make clean the inside of the cup, and of the dish, that the outside may become clean.

27 Wo to you Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites: because you are like to whitened sepulchres, which outwardly appear to men beautiful, but within are full of dead men’s bones, and of all filthiness.” *

* via the Douay Rheims Haydock Bible.

And the thing that they are overcompensating for is just one thing that they do not have (nor will ever have in their churches) and that is:

They are unable to heed Jesus’ directive in which to

1. Consecrate the bread into His Body.
2. Consecrate the wine into His Blood.
3. Offer the Sacraments.

All else is smoke and mirrors and the inside of sepulchres.

;-)

As far as the Tridentine Mass being offered in the Diocese that I am part of here in central Florida, no go. It is offered far from the central core of where most parishoners reside and is on a somewhat limited basis. I happened to serve at a SSPX Tridentine Mass several years ago and was blown away by it, however, I did not return to it since there was a lot of conflicting information regarding whether their Masses were valid or not at the time. Sad to say.

I do think that the remedy for all of this will be reintroducing the importance of the Eucharist to the faithful. To take the Host into your hand (in my opinion) is to lessen the significance of the Host now becomming the Flesh of Christ. I for one, am not even worthy to do so such as the grave sinner that I am. No way. Take it upon one’s tongue for the priest should be the ONLY individual who touches the Body / Flesh of Christ / God. I’ve pointed it out to people by saying “So tell me, how are YOU able - based upon the assumption of that you truly believe that that host is now the Body of Christ - to hold in your sinful lowly mortal and imperfect hands, THE CREATOR of all that exists ... the Alpha and Omega ... pure perfection. How?” I usually am greeted with a mouth agape look by the person / persons whom I have pointed it out to.

OK, gonna scoot here and climb down from my mini soapbox here. Take what I posted here with but a grain of salt for I am not a wise person, but yet an introspective one with many flaws and much, much, much more learning to do.

Ad Jesum Per Mariam

trollcrusher :-)


11 posted on 01/05/2010 6:17:38 PM PST by trollcrusher (Like a moon without a tide ...)
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To: trollcrusher; ottbmare
Went to St. John's once more tonight for the Epiphany; it was breathtaking again, and I took a few additional photographs.
(The Tridentine Mass is so heavenly.)

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12 posted on 01/06/2010 8:39:58 PM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: mlizzy

How splendid! You’re so fortunate to live near such a place. I can’t understand why we don’t have something like that here in Maryland, which was founded as a Catholic colony. I mean, really!?!


13 posted on 01/06/2010 9:01:45 PM PST by ottbmare (I could agree wth you, but then we'd both be wrong.)
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To: mlizzy

ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE!

The close up image of the Altar is amazing. Wow. Tenderly rendered by the gifted hands of artisans. Beautiful.

Thanks for posting.

:-)

trollcrusher


14 posted on 01/06/2010 11:28:07 PM PST by trollcrusher (Like a moon without a tide ...)
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To: trollcrusher
heavenThe lace of the cloth that hangs over the altar moves the entire time from some source. It's not a fan on one side as it moves perfectly, as if there are air jets placed under the altar somewhere. It's so beautiful. The mass to me at St. John's is an extraordinary production at the highest level, if I can use that word. The altar servers are not boys, but young men, and they have the mass down perfectly. My husband doesn't remember, when he was a youngster, the altar servers being such an integral part of the Latin Mass, as four or five of them are assisting the priest frequently (not just sitting at the sidelines) and they are also blessing -- with incense -- one another and the parishioners. I wish I could tape the whole mass, but somehow, I think just like hockey (strange comparison, I know; my husband wrote a book on Catholicism/sports), you need to witness the mass in person to feel the full impact.

I found a link that has Florida's TLMs in the event one slipped through without your knowledge:

Florida's TLMs

Also, I share your concern regarding priests (and I could have sworn I heard "someone" telling me at mass last night to ... "pray for priests." I *heard* it really only once and it happened right after five pleasant young men (high school seniors through sophomore year in college approx.) sat right directly in front of me which was interesting in and of itself, because I was praying that someone, anyone, would sit in front of me, so I could be cued as to when to sit, kneel, and stand. (I didn't want to sit in the back of Church so I was in the third pew.)

And, oh, the Gregorian Chant! If someone can sit through a mass such as this and not see that Christ is being brought down to earth (alive!) via the Most Holy Eucharist, they are somehow lost (or dead) indeed.

15 posted on 01/07/2010 7:06:03 AM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: ottbmare
st_alphonsus_baltimore_MDAre you anywhere close to Baltimore? I found this parish online and they have a Tridentine Mass if their information is up-to-date. A spectacular looking church, here is their Web site link: St. Alphonsus

Also, here is a link to two other churches in Maryland with Tridentine Masses, however, you need to call first to confirm. The links provided to Web site information were not live, but there are phone numbers and addresses, etc.

16 posted on 01/07/2010 7:30:39 AM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: mlizzy

One of these is only 40 minutes away from me! Thank you!


17 posted on 01/07/2010 7:57:06 AM PST by ottbmare (I could agree wth you, but then we'd both be wrong.)
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To: mlizzy; ottbmare
St. Alphonsus is an impressive church. Before he was bishop of Philadelphia, St. John Neumann was the pastor there, and he was consecrated bishop there. I've gone to several Easter Vigils according to the 1962 TLM missal, as well as a wedding. Here's some pics I've taken there over the years.


18 posted on 01/07/2010 8:15:37 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: ottbmare

You’re welcome ... please post back (pictures would be great too!) after your visit.


19 posted on 01/07/2010 9:24:19 AM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: Pyro7480

Soooooooo beautiful. You actually have a photo of the priest distributing the Host! And the third picture is similar to one on the Church Web site, but yours is bigger and of higher quality. Thanks!


20 posted on 01/07/2010 9:31:21 AM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: trollcrusher
The Catholic Knight feels Good Catholics Should Abandon The Novus Ordo Mass [improperly celebrated]
21 posted on 01/07/2010 11:43:24 AM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: trollcrusher
"Hence, seeing ponytails serving at the altar; Communion in the hand; the weight of the Liturgical Committees; the removal of statuary; the USCCB yearly tweaking of the Mass (”kneel here now ... no wait, don’t kneel now - stand, no wait, kneel and stand at the same time, NO NO NO, do jumping jacks, oh just forget the whole thing and lets just bow down to Mecca”); and the ambiguity of some of the statements originating from wall of silence / individuals in high places in Rome are disconcerting in a very alarming way."

I really like the above comment of yours, trollcrusher!
22 posted on 01/07/2010 1:56:28 PM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: mlizzy; Victoria Delsoul; kstewskis
How utterly beautiful.

The closest Triditine Mass is held at St. Mary's Parish in Wausau. Haven't been there yet but I hope to so very soon.

My sister and I were able to meet for daily Mass last week. It was wonderful, but I can't imagine what it must be like at St. John's parish. It takes my breath away.

23 posted on 01/07/2010 6:13:06 PM PST by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Northern Yankee
When you get to St. Mary's Tridentine Mass, fill me in. I'd love to hear what you think about it.

And the mass was indeed utterly beautiful. I felt as if I was just a step away from heaven. What was so amazing about the masses I attended, was that they were "performed" so perfectly. The altar servers were veterans to be sure. Young men (not boys!) with a profound holiness about them. You just can't fake this stuff.

Also, the priests that were not performing mass, but were in attendance or helping with pre-mass/post-mass incidentals were all wearing cassocks. And most of the priests (there are several) were pencil thin. It was such a great site to see for someone who has the tendency to be a "bit" of a glutton. Such a wonderful feeling of "self-control" and "peace" at this parish. (I even purchased a shawl today to wear over my head during mass ...) There are lots of mantillas there.

Also, all during the mass, confession is going on, and there are plenty of people in line at a number of confessionals around the perimeter of the church. Spectacular!
24 posted on 01/07/2010 6:39:54 PM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: mlizzy

W-O-W.

O_o

Gotta love that Marian shade of Cobalt Blue. Reminds me of the ink used in medieval “Illuminated Manuscripts” (Divine Office / Missals / etc.).

I briefly did a quick perusal of your husband’s site / blog and will read it more in depth when I get a chance here. Looks interesting. By the way, nice photo of your children. Nice to see happy and smiling siblings. Indicator of good parenting (or possibly someone made a joke just prior to it being taken ... [kidding on my part] ). ;-)

Additionally, will take a look at the Latin Mass links that you posted as well. Same goes for the Catholic Knight link regarding the Novus Ordo Missae. Just briefly glanced at it and was slightly taken aback by the pro Anglican-use style of worship being espoused by the site’s founder.

Somewhat reserved on my part about it as I think that Anglicanism is what has contributed to the erosion of how Roman Catholics worship. The Church needs to copy NOBODY with regard to how to worship (even though as I have mentioned before, that Anglican places of worship currently often have more of the “bells and smells” in their services than what the Roman Catholic Church has presently endorsed). You know the background on it already. I will delve further into it as I am only making a quick opinion without more analyzation / investigation on my part. :-)

OK, gonna scoot here.

Take care,

trollcrusher


25 posted on 01/07/2010 11:46:57 PM PST by trollcrusher (Like a moon without a tide ...)
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To: mlizzy

Thank you for the kind comment.

I’m glad that you found credence in my observation / opinion.

Oh, I forgot to mention in my previous post (probably just above this one), that with regard to your “inner locution” or “feeling” in which to pray for Priests following the young men sitting in the pew ahead of you at Mass, indeed that is a G-O-O-D thing. Accept it as a Grace.

The Church is in dire need of new, holy Priests.

Here is a small prayer that I pray every day (or multiple times throughout the day) for Priests. I’ve modified it from the original prayer that I heard years ago, so it is a bit more in tune with the situation going on right now in the Church:

God our Father,
Please send the Church, holy and faithful Priests.
All for the Sacred and Eucharistic Heart of Jesus.
All for the Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary.
In union with St. Joseph, Guardian of the Holy Family and of the Holy Roman Catholic Church.

Amen.

I like to think that it helps.

Take care,

trollcrusher


26 posted on 01/07/2010 11:59:40 PM PST by trollcrusher (Like a moon without a tide ...)
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To: trollcrusher
Beautiful prayer! St. Joseph seems to be on the lay-low in the Catholic Church, so seeing his inclusion was particularly wonderful. (I've already said your prayer!) If we only knew how much prayer benefited the world, we'd start upon rising and not stop until we slept.

As far as The Catholic Knight goes, that's a site I used to visit a long time ago, but then some things were troubling, most of all, the fact he does not identify himself which is like receiving the Body of Christ from a priest with a mask on. Not trustworthy and even a little creepy. And I understand what you are saying in regard to the Anglican faith being included in a positive light on his blog. (The Catholic Knight IS a convert, I'm almost certain, but I can't remember from which faith.)

He does have lovely articles on the wearing of the mantilla and shawls, but he's a little close to the edge on his dislike for the NO mass, however, because, of course, Jesus comes to us through the Eucharist, even if the Host is consecrated in a closet.

Coach Ray Meyer, 2-12-00In my husband's book, he has a chapter on Coach Ray Meyer (of the DePaul Blue Demons). I'll include a blurb:

And if there was one thing that separated Ray's career from that of the other Hall of Fame coaches, it was prayer. No matter where they were playing, Ray made sure he went to Mass the day of a game---which created some interesting scenarios ... "Once we got in late to Terre Haute for a game against Indiana State, and when an attending priest found out I hadn't been to Mass yet, I sent the team out for warm-ups with the assistant coach, and he said Mass for me in the rest room. And then there was the time we were waiting for a flight at O'Hare, and Joey found out I hadn't gotten to Mass yet, so he had the team chaplain say it for us in the middle of the airport. Although we didn't intend it at the time, it must have been quite a witness." And, of course, there was the rosary. "The players used to call me 'the man with the beads,' as I was never without one. Before each game, I'd send the team out of the locker room, but I'd join them only after I said a few decades. Then right before tip-off, I'd gather the team around me and we'd say a Hail Mary--even in the late '70s when there were not Catholics among Depaul's starting five. Now ... I say the rosary to ask my wife, Marge [who died in 1986] and my daughter Mariann [who died of cancer in 1996] to help me through each day." He paused, "It's tough now ... tough without Marge. Even at camp ... which I still love ... there are more kids who get in trouble, but that's only because there are more kids from broken homes. But I still try."

Are you familiar with Coach Ray Meyer? I was able to accompany Tom on the interview at Coach's home and that's where the photograph shown was taken. Although it's difficult to see, Coach has a rosary in his hands.

Coach Ray Meyer passed away at the age of 92 in March of 2006. It wouldn't surprise me to find out he died a saint. He was that good of a guy! (brilliant sense of humor as well).

27 posted on 01/08/2010 6:52:06 AM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: trollcrusher; Mrs. Don-o; ottbmare; Northern Yankee; Pyro7480; Salvation; NYer
Gotta love that Marian shade of Cobalt Blue.

I actually backed off a trifle on that before posting, because it was so intense. Here's a related post:

Happy Birthday Elvis; The King Sings of Mary

The Rosary Online
28 posted on 01/08/2010 7:27:13 AM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: mlizzy
I have to add this one too: Happy Birthday Elvis once again!

If I Can Dream
29 posted on 01/08/2010 2:00:35 PM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: mlizzy

Yup ...

You hit the nail on the head regarding the “Catholic Knight” ... the first thing that I chose to focus in on was “who IS this guy” ... no name, no slogan, no ID, just advice / commentary, etc.

Now if I really wanted to befuddle a group of people, the best way to do it is to do it with the sweetness of honey rather than the putridness of crapola ... sort of indoctrinate them to MY way of thinking under the guise of being knowledgeable of the Faith, etc. I like to have an Imprimatur and / or a Nihil Obsat from a trusted source when it comes to info / teachings.

On a side note here ... I remember one time several years ago that the Diocese in which I reside in had a group meeting for interested Catholics that discussed topics that varied from meeting to meeting. I got invited to this one and didn’t really know what to expect. They held it in a basement of a convent and once everyone had arrived, they settled in on the topic ... Human Sexuality. There were about maybe two dozen people there ranging from teens to older adults. The group was overseen by a somewhat charismatic guy who was a little too friendly and came across as one of those Evangelical group leaders in Anabaptist churches. Well, they jumped into the main topic and as the discussion revolved around the circle, people put their two cents in, got a response, and then moved on to the next person / couple in sequence.

I sat there aghast as people were recounting their attempts at trying to conceive a child (they had adopted a child already) “We try MANY times a week” [*oof*] and so on and so forth. I thought to myself, where the bloody heck is a priest to be found to LEAD this group. I don’t want some bozo whose credentials I do not know or whom he was vetted by instructing me or others on tender (but needed) topics such as this. Call me paranoid or just oversensitive, but I had to go with what my intuition told me and never went back. Just kept on thinking “WHERE IS THE PRIEST? Couldn’t they find a priest to lead a late evening once-a-month group like this?” Bummer.

OK, enough of my whining (I’m known to do that). Yes, I do remember coach Ray Meyer from my days of living up in Chicago. I wasn’t a follower of sports / basketball, but I do remember him as being a passionate and well respected coach by not only his team, but the school, the city of Chicago, and other teams / schools that they played.

I was not aware of how devout Mr. Meyers was. Reading the snippet from your husband’s book, I was rather moved by his devotion to serving at Mass and to the Holy Rosary. Pretty cool.

Now if only we could get the head of Notre Dame University (I forget the name of the priest, but he is the top guy) to show a bit more backbone like Coach Meyers, then maybe, just maybe, they’d start turning the direction that they are heading around.

No more Vagina Monologues. No more Obammy accolades. No more arrests of 80-something priests who are carried away for protesting what the school should have been promoting to the modern-world-at-large [”Be in it, but not OF it”] -and- (i.e. Fruit of the 3rd Sorrowful Mystery, The Crowning with Thorns, “I desire MORAL courage”). Yes moral courage is in great need in our world.

In closing here, I do thank you for your kind comment on the prayer that I posted here. I am glad that you prayed it and that the inclusion of St. Joseph was to your liking. Very underrated Saint since we know very little about him, but a VERY honourable one indeed who is a prime role model for us to follow by his example. Imagine, to be entrusted with both the care of the Virgin Mother and the example / vocation of being a human father to Jesus. Oh, the graces that he must have had course through his soul. :-)

OK, gonna scoot. If you could (in a private reply), would it be possible for you to just briefly teach me how to post images here on FR? I noticed that you’ve got the process down pat, and I’d like to possibly post some pics that I have on my hard drive.

Mainly, I want to add some pics to my FR profile page. If it is too complicated, then don’t worry about it. I’ll try and find out one way or another ... I know that the HTML is like learning Swahili from a Swede, but once you get the hang of it, it falls into place. [No offense to the citizens of East Africa or to Sweden]. :-P

Take care,

trollcrusher


30 posted on 01/08/2010 7:05:01 PM PST by trollcrusher (Like a moon without a tide ...)
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To: trollcrusher
St_John_Cantius_PietaToday's Saturday Tridentine a.m. Mass was briefer (45 minutes), no homily, and no Gregorian Chant.:)

Am I hooked? Going back tomorrow. The TLM has got to offer up so much encouragement for the priesthood.

And I agree with your "WHERE IS THE PRIEST?" comment totally. One always has to be so careful.
31 posted on 01/09/2010 6:05:05 PM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: mlizzy

It is a G-O-O-D thing in which to be “hooked” upon when it comes to your desire to be able to serve at a Traditional Mass. The Holy Ghost is moving you to be with HIM.

Heed that “inner movement / inner thirst” (”I Thirst” as Jesus spoke upon the cross) and follow your heart.

I know only too well that the head and heart are [can be] in battle with each other a lot of the time over things like this, so you have to turn within [to the soul] to find what may not just be illuminated to you right now by focusing on God, prayer, contemplation, and what I like to do [as a suggestion to you] and that is find a quiet place [maybe a favourite place / hideaway of yours] and meditate on the phrase “Be Still And Know That I AM” and really be still and know that He IS. And take comfort in that stillness that tends to be suppressed in our everyday world.

He knows you more so than anyone else in this world. More so than yourself. So you can take satisfaction in knowing that He knows what you are going to do, say, think, and so on before you even do. All of this is under the gift of Free Will that he has given us unconditionally. So yes, I do think that you are being moved in some form or fashion to serve at the Traditional Mass there at St. John Cantius.

Go with it. Bring hubby and the kiddies as well. Cajole, nudge, or even ambush them into going [the kids that is]. For example, off the top of my head here ... “Hey guys, lets all go downtown to Water Tower Place for a day of shopping” and then make a diversion over to St. John’s for MASS. O_o (Take pic of their faces when you do).

Granted, still go to Water Tower Place or wherever you were going to go to, but after Mass. They don’t have to receive Holy Communion (but that would be good), but just have them be in the “presence” of honouring God in this manner as opposed to the Novus Ordo Missae.

They can just sit in the pew and observe if they feel moved to do so. Just so that they get the exposure (and the benefit of the Grace of being present at Mass) to maybe plant a seed there in their hearts / minds / souls. You never know. St. Augustine’s mother prayed many years for her son to turn from his wayward lifestyle and look what happened, both of them are honoured as Saints in the Church.

As God has said “My thoughts are ABOVE your thoughts. My ways are ABOVE your ways.” Our teeny tiny human brains are no match for His.

Keep going. It is inspiring to me that you are doing so.

OK, I am turning my personal didactic switch off now as I am running low on personal battery power. ;-)

*flips switch now*

I’ll drop you a reply with regard to your FR private message when I get a chance here. Thanks for taking the time to type all of the instructions up.

Peace,

trollcrusher

p.s. I like the most recent pic that you posted here. :-)


32 posted on 01/10/2010 1:05:56 AM PST by trollcrusher (Like a moon without a tide ...)
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Well, I didn't promise Water Tower Place, but I did say lunch was on me, so hopefully I'll get one of our son's there via that suggestion. The other one -- and his R.C. girlfriend -- are coming. He, in fact, suggested it! Our third son has to work.:( And our daughter will come, and I hope her Lutheran boyfriend will join us. I've also invited my husband's family which I did last week as well. I'm hopeful one or some of them will show up, even if not today.

Thanks for the didactic (I had to look that up!) encouragement on the TLM. I even purchased a prayer shawl in black but when it came it didn't have the beige/gold fringe like the lime one did (I assumed for whatever reason it would), but instead is completely black so with my mature face and "light" hair, I, with the shawl over my head, look like a woman who has lost her entire family in an earthquake:), but I'm gonna go with it anyway I think. (And yes, if you're wondering, Stevie Nicks is one of my favorite artists -- and I pray for her conversion; she'd make such an awesome Catholic ... I look forward to hearing her voice in heaven).
33 posted on 01/10/2010 6:23:44 AM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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st_john_cantius

Another picture of a nice statue taken at St. John Cantius, Sunday 01-10-10.
34 posted on 01/11/2010 3:18:47 AM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: mlizzy

Go here:

http://www.uticaod.com/news/x1820920165/Latin-Mass-a-more-reverent-experience

Received email. Thanks for the words of support. Will send you a more complete reply when I get a chance here.

Glad to hear about the Tridentine Mass “experiences / attendees” ;-)

Thanks for posting the new picture. You have a talent for capturing images. (ala the pics for your husband’s book, the images here, etc.). Gotta knack for it.

I’m off to speak Swahili like a Swede now. Just kidding.

O_o

Peace,

B.


35 posted on 01/11/2010 4:05:50 PM PST by trollcrusher (Like a moon without a tide ...)
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