Skip to comments.St. John Cantius: Tridentine Mass
Posted on 01/04/2010 3:58:18 AM PST by mlizzy
While researching an article, my husband heard about St. John Cantius Parish (Chicago), which offers the Tridentine Mass. Being only a thirty minute drive, we decided to make the trip for my first Tridentine Mass ever on January 1st, the feast day of Mary, Mother of God. Being in awe of the Mass, we decided to return on the Epiphany (yesterday). Gregorian chant was heard almost completely throughout the Mass by their choir of just a few individuals. The Tridentine Mass itself is the most beautiful, heavenly, and fluid Mass I could ever imagine. No altar girls, no Eucharistic ministers, Communion at the altar and on the tongue only. The priest brings you to God, while taking away from himself (he speaks very quietly, although there are books to follow the Mass, and his eyes are on Christ or when facing the parishioners, cast down). And while my daughter took some lovely photographs, it's impossible to completely capture the old beauty of this particular church which totally encapsulates you in religious art and wonder. If you're in the Chicago area, and would like to take in a Tridentine Mass, I would highly recommend St. John's.
How beautiful! Thank you.
THIS ABSOLUTELY ROCKS! Oh yeah.
This is what the Roman Catholic Church needs to return to.
>>> No ferns or fluffy plants on the altar.
>>> No tacky felt banners made by the Liturgical committee.
>>> No Communion in the hand.
>>> No folksy guitar playing lesbos warbling along about Kum-bay-ah in a Joan Baez manner.
>>> No more fruitcake “priests” conducting a comedy show.
>>> Return of the Baptismal Font - not the Baptismal jacuzzi.
etc. etc. etc.
Glad that you posted these pics.
I live in an area that’s been Catholic since 1630 or so, I don’t know why we don’t seem to have any attractive churches, just modern ones. Ick. The one I’m getting inducted into is awfully plain and modern, which I don’t find conducive to spiritual elevation. But that’s just my own lack of spiritual maturity talking.
I am from Chicago originally and now live in Florida, however, in a heartbeat, I’d trade the weather down here for the convenience of serving at a daily Tridentine Rite Mass. No hesitation whatsoever.
Glad that you and your husband got a laugh out of my rather somewhat “caustic” reply. I’ve gotten a lot of flack for my opionon on this matter (i.e. the reforms in the wake of Vatican II) from other Catholics, however, I’ve stuck to my guns on it.
I do hope and pray that it will continue in this direction.
Thanks again for the wonderful photos and your commentary. I’ve gone ahead and saved the link to the Church there in Chicago for further perusal on my part.
Very, very grateful to you for posting it though ... not a coincidence that you posted it and I just happened to read it a few minutes after you did so. I was just about to log off when I went back to check the most recent posts list and *POW*, there it was. Gave me a bit of a shock, albeit more of a signal grace from someone looking out for me (Jesus? Mary? St. Michael? My Guardian Angel? Someone? All of ‘em and more I think). ;-)
Thanks a bunch.
“AD JESUM PER MARIAM”
Regarding the St. John Cantius church in Chicago ... no, I wasn’t familiar with it at all. I lived in the Lincoln Park / Lakeview area for a couple of years and knew that there are several Roman Catholic churches “peppered” around the metropolitan Chicago area. As you well know, Chicago was built on the backs of European immigrants / Irish / etc., so as a natural outgrowth of their piety, they were big on putting down spiritual “roots” there.
A lot of history in that town. Sadly, as the years have passed and the generations erode away, it seems as if the churches have either had to close down; trim back their service times; sell property; or move / be consolidated into another parish.
I know of one other Tridentine Rite church there in Chicago that, if I remember correctly, is known as the “Institute / Shrine of Christ the King Soverign Priest” http://www.institute-christ-king.org/chicago/ that is being restored. Please know that I have not been back to Chi town in a very long time (June ‘92), so I am not cognizant of just what is happening around town at all (unless I’ve seen it on WGN ... and I haven’t watched television for five years). ;-)
You are doing the correct thing with regard to receiving Holy Communion. The Eucharistic ministers were primarily a measure in the wake of V2 to involve the parishoners more in the Mass via a shared imput / responsibility / dissemination of how it is seen, felt, heard, and absorbed by the faithful. Little did the public know (or for that matter, the Liturgical Committees and the powers that be in the uppper echelons of the Church) just how far it would go. I would venture to say that some Anglican churches have more of the accoutrements and “bells & smells” that resemble the early, early post V2 Church (circa 1966 - 68) than Roman Catholic churches do now. Very sad to see.
The corrosion has come from within. But returning to the subject of Eucharistic ministers, it has now become a stop-gap measure to compensate for the massive decline in vocations to the Priesthood / religious orders. The covert / overt message to the masses (no pun intended) is that “the priest is just there to consecrate the Host, offer blessings, and conduct the Mass ... everything else can be performed by *US*”. A metaphor that comes to mind is that it is akin to many people [the parishoners] sitting out on a limb of a tree [Church doctrine / the Mass / etc.] and sawing off [i.e. conducting the reforms] the branch at its strongest point [i.e. the priest] ... that of where it adheres to the trunk itself [the Church / Magesterium]. Sort of like a suicide in slow motion.
Hence, seeing ponytails serving at the altar; Communion in the hand; the weight of the Liturgical Committees; the removal of statuary; the USCCB yearly tweaking of the Mass (”kneel here now ... no wait, don’t kneel now - stand, no wait, kneel and stand at the same time, NO NO NO, do jumping jacks, oh just forget the whole thing and lets just bow down to Mecca”); and the ambiguity of some of the statements originating from wall of silence / individuals in high places in Rome are disconcerting in a very alarming way.
If the vocations situation does not improve here soon, I fear that what is gonna happen is either:
a. A sort of Mass by proxy priest (i.e. a single priest consecrating the Host at a central location whereby via closed circuit television or some other method, will then consecrate the hosts at the satellite churches that are tied into the CCTV feed). No priest at the satellite churches, but everything else looks the same. Akin to the televangelists on TV.
b. The liberals in the upper portions of the Church are just salivating at the possiblility of getting a liberal Cardinal in for becomming the next Pope. *IF* that happens, I fear that the “solution” to the vocation crisis will somehow be like that of putting frosting and candles on a dog turd. Sure, it might look yummy and pleasing on the outside, but once ya take a big ole bite, watch out. The “solution” that possibly will be foisted on the faithful for consumption will be the ordination of women, optional celibacy for priests, married priests, and God forbid that this ever happens, openly gay priests / religious (they are alive and conspiring right N-O-W like wolves in sheeps clothing) under the guise of “tolerance” or whatever politically correct verbiage of the day. Just an erosion of what once was held tried and true for 2000 years only to be usurped by the whims of a misguided few as to how the Church relates to the modern world. It once was considered a bastion to the tides and tribulations of the outside world (and was held in high esteem by people), but following Pope John XXIII and Pope Paul VI’s open windows to the world policy, all the detritus from outside made its way inside.
c. That people will just become more and more apathetic and turn to other faiths or pseudo faiths. Protestantism is working in overdrive to recruit disaffected / naive / those unaware of Church Doctrine & Roman Catholic history, into its rank and file. Sure, they may have the bells and whistles and buy one get one free type of attitude there, but I am gonna paraphrase here from Matthew XXIII: xxv to xxvii
“25 Wo to you Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites: because you make clean the outside of the cup, and of the dish, but within you are full of extortion and uncleanness.
26 Thou blind Pharisee, first make clean the inside of the cup, and of the dish, that the outside may become clean.
27 Wo to you Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites: because you are like to whitened sepulchres, which outwardly appear to men beautiful, but within are full of dead men’s bones, and of all filthiness.” *
* via the Douay Rheims Haydock Bible.
And the thing that they are overcompensating for is just one thing that they do not have (nor will ever have in their churches) and that is:
They are unable to heed Jesus’ directive in which to
1. Consecrate the bread into His Body.
2. Consecrate the wine into His Blood.
3. Offer the Sacraments.
All else is smoke and mirrors and the inside of sepulchres.
As far as the Tridentine Mass being offered in the Diocese that I am part of here in central Florida, no go. It is offered far from the central core of where most parishoners reside and is on a somewhat limited basis. I happened to serve at a SSPX Tridentine Mass several years ago and was blown away by it, however, I did not return to it since there was a lot of conflicting information regarding whether their Masses were valid or not at the time. Sad to say.
I do think that the remedy for all of this will be reintroducing the importance of the Eucharist to the faithful. To take the Host into your hand (in my opinion) is to lessen the significance of the Host now becomming the Flesh of Christ. I for one, am not even worthy to do so such as the grave sinner that I am. No way. Take it upon one’s tongue for the priest should be the ONLY individual who touches the Body / Flesh of Christ / God. I’ve pointed it out to people by saying “So tell me, how are YOU able - based upon the assumption of that you truly believe that that host is now the Body of Christ - to hold in your sinful lowly mortal and imperfect hands, THE CREATOR of all that exists ... the Alpha and Omega ... pure perfection. How?” I usually am greeted with a mouth agape look by the person / persons whom I have pointed it out to.
OK, gonna scoot here and climb down from my mini soapbox here. Take what I posted here with but a grain of salt for I am not a wise person, but yet an introspective one with many flaws and much, much, much more learning to do.
Ad Jesum Per Mariam
How splendid! You’re so fortunate to live near such a place. I can’t understand why we don’t have something like that here in Maryland, which was founded as a Catholic colony. I mean, really!?!
The close up image of the Altar is amazing. Wow. Tenderly rendered by the gifted hands of artisans. Beautiful.
Thanks for posting.
One of these is only 40 minutes away from me! Thank you!
You’re welcome ... please post back (pictures would be great too!) after your visit.
Soooooooo beautiful. You actually have a photo of the priest distributing the Host! And the third picture is similar to one on the Church Web site, but yours is bigger and of higher quality. Thanks!
The closest Triditine Mass is held at St. Mary's Parish in Wausau. Haven't been there yet but I hope to so very soon.
My sister and I were able to meet for daily Mass last week. It was wonderful, but I can't imagine what it must be like at St. John's parish. It takes my breath away.
Gotta love that Marian shade of Cobalt Blue. Reminds me of the ink used in medieval “Illuminated Manuscripts” (Divine Office / Missals / etc.).
I briefly did a quick perusal of your husband’s site / blog and will read it more in depth when I get a chance here. Looks interesting. By the way, nice photo of your children. Nice to see happy and smiling siblings. Indicator of good parenting (or possibly someone made a joke just prior to it being taken ... [kidding on my part] ). ;-)
Additionally, will take a look at the Latin Mass links that you posted as well. Same goes for the Catholic Knight link regarding the Novus Ordo Missae. Just briefly glanced at it and was slightly taken aback by the pro Anglican-use style of worship being espoused by the site’s founder.
Somewhat reserved on my part about it as I think that Anglicanism is what has contributed to the erosion of how Roman Catholics worship. The Church needs to copy NOBODY with regard to how to worship (even though as I have mentioned before, that Anglican places of worship currently often have more of the “bells and smells” in their services than what the Roman Catholic Church has presently endorsed). You know the background on it already. I will delve further into it as I am only making a quick opinion without more analyzation / investigation on my part. :-)
OK, gonna scoot here.
Thank you for the kind comment.
I’m glad that you found credence in my observation / opinion.
Oh, I forgot to mention in my previous post (probably just above this one), that with regard to your “inner locution” or “feeling” in which to pray for Priests following the young men sitting in the pew ahead of you at Mass, indeed that is a G-O-O-D thing. Accept it as a Grace.
The Church is in dire need of new, holy Priests.
Here is a small prayer that I pray every day (or multiple times throughout the day) for Priests. I’ve modified it from the original prayer that I heard years ago, so it is a bit more in tune with the situation going on right now in the Church:
God our Father,
Please send the Church, holy and faithful Priests.
All for the Sacred and Eucharistic Heart of Jesus.
All for the Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary.
In union with St. Joseph, Guardian of the Holy Family and of the Holy Roman Catholic Church.
I like to think that it helps.
You hit the nail on the head regarding the “Catholic Knight” ... the first thing that I chose to focus in on was “who IS this guy” ... no name, no slogan, no ID, just advice / commentary, etc.
Now if I really wanted to befuddle a group of people, the best way to do it is to do it with the sweetness of honey rather than the putridness of crapola ... sort of indoctrinate them to MY way of thinking under the guise of being knowledgeable of the Faith, etc. I like to have an Imprimatur and / or a Nihil Obsat from a trusted source when it comes to info / teachings.
On a side note here ... I remember one time several years ago that the Diocese in which I reside in had a group meeting for interested Catholics that discussed topics that varied from meeting to meeting. I got invited to this one and didn’t really know what to expect. They held it in a basement of a convent and once everyone had arrived, they settled in on the topic ... Human Sexuality. There were about maybe two dozen people there ranging from teens to older adults. The group was overseen by a somewhat charismatic guy who was a little too friendly and came across as one of those Evangelical group leaders in Anabaptist churches. Well, they jumped into the main topic and as the discussion revolved around the circle, people put their two cents in, got a response, and then moved on to the next person / couple in sequence.
I sat there aghast as people were recounting their attempts at trying to conceive a child (they had adopted a child already) “We try MANY times a week” [*oof*] and so on and so forth. I thought to myself, where the bloody heck is a priest to be found to LEAD this group. I don’t want some bozo whose credentials I do not know or whom he was vetted by instructing me or others on tender (but needed) topics such as this. Call me paranoid or just oversensitive, but I had to go with what my intuition told me and never went back. Just kept on thinking “WHERE IS THE PRIEST? Couldn’t they find a priest to lead a late evening once-a-month group like this?” Bummer.
OK, enough of my whining (I’m known to do that). Yes, I do remember coach Ray Meyer from my days of living up in Chicago. I wasn’t a follower of sports / basketball, but I do remember him as being a passionate and well respected coach by not only his team, but the school, the city of Chicago, and other teams / schools that they played.
I was not aware of how devout Mr. Meyers was. Reading the snippet from your husband’s book, I was rather moved by his devotion to serving at Mass and to the Holy Rosary. Pretty cool.
Now if only we could get the head of Notre Dame University (I forget the name of the priest, but he is the top guy) to show a bit more backbone like Coach Meyers, then maybe, just maybe, they’d start turning the direction that they are heading around.
No more Vagina Monologues. No more Obammy accolades. No more arrests of 80-something priests who are carried away for protesting what the school should have been promoting to the modern-world-at-large [”Be in it, but not OF it”] -and- (i.e. Fruit of the 3rd Sorrowful Mystery, The Crowning with Thorns, “I desire MORAL courage”). Yes moral courage is in great need in our world.
In closing here, I do thank you for your kind comment on the prayer that I posted here. I am glad that you prayed it and that the inclusion of St. Joseph was to your liking. Very underrated Saint since we know very little about him, but a VERY honourable one indeed who is a prime role model for us to follow by his example. Imagine, to be entrusted with both the care of the Virgin Mother and the example / vocation of being a human father to Jesus. Oh, the graces that he must have had course through his soul. :-)
OK, gonna scoot. If you could (in a private reply), would it be possible for you to just briefly teach me how to post images here on FR? I noticed that you’ve got the process down pat, and I’d like to possibly post some pics that I have on my hard drive.
Mainly, I want to add some pics to my FR profile page. If it is too complicated, then don’t worry about it. I’ll try and find out one way or another ... I know that the HTML is like learning Swahili from a Swede, but once you get the hang of it, it falls into place. [No offense to the citizens of East Africa or to Sweden]. :-P
It is a G-O-O-D thing in which to be “hooked” upon when it comes to your desire to be able to serve at a Traditional Mass. The Holy Ghost is moving you to be with HIM.
Heed that “inner movement / inner thirst” (”I Thirst” as Jesus spoke upon the cross) and follow your heart.
I know only too well that the head and heart are [can be] in battle with each other a lot of the time over things like this, so you have to turn within [to the soul] to find what may not just be illuminated to you right now by focusing on God, prayer, contemplation, and what I like to do [as a suggestion to you] and that is find a quiet place [maybe a favourite place / hideaway of yours] and meditate on the phrase “Be Still And Know That I AM” and really be still and know that He IS. And take comfort in that stillness that tends to be suppressed in our everyday world.
He knows you more so than anyone else in this world. More so than yourself. So you can take satisfaction in knowing that He knows what you are going to do, say, think, and so on before you even do. All of this is under the gift of Free Will that he has given us unconditionally. So yes, I do think that you are being moved in some form or fashion to serve at the Traditional Mass there at St. John Cantius.
Go with it. Bring hubby and the kiddies as well. Cajole, nudge, or even ambush them into going [the kids that is]. For example, off the top of my head here ... “Hey guys, lets all go downtown to Water Tower Place for a day of shopping” and then make a diversion over to St. John’s for MASS. O_o (Take pic of their faces when you do).
Granted, still go to Water Tower Place or wherever you were going to go to, but after Mass. They don’t have to receive Holy Communion (but that would be good), but just have them be in the “presence” of honouring God in this manner as opposed to the Novus Ordo Missae.
They can just sit in the pew and observe if they feel moved to do so. Just so that they get the exposure (and the benefit of the Grace of being present at Mass) to maybe plant a seed there in their hearts / minds / souls. You never know. St. Augustine’s mother prayed many years for her son to turn from his wayward lifestyle and look what happened, both of them are honoured as Saints in the Church.
As God has said “My thoughts are ABOVE your thoughts. My ways are ABOVE your ways.” Our teeny tiny human brains are no match for His.
Keep going. It is inspiring to me that you are doing so.
OK, I am turning my personal didactic switch off now as I am running low on personal battery power. ;-)
*flips switch now*
I’ll drop you a reply with regard to your FR private message when I get a chance here. Thanks for taking the time to type all of the instructions up.
p.s. I like the most recent pic that you posted here. :-)
Received email. Thanks for the words of support. Will send you a more complete reply when I get a chance here.
Glad to hear about the Tridentine Mass “experiences / attendees” ;-)
Thanks for posting the new picture. You have a talent for capturing images. (ala the pics for your husband’s book, the images here, etc.). Gotta knack for it.
I’m off to speak Swahili like a Swede now. Just kidding.