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To: RGirard

[[There are definitely “true” miracles today ... if you can’t do it, and I can’t do it, and no one else can do it, but God can do it, and does, then it’s a miracle.]]

There are spectacular healings to be sure, usually happening perfectly inline with natural laws healings today follow some basic scientific principles even if we don’t understand how they occured yet- however TRUE miracles defy natural laws- a TRUE miracle would be restoring a lost limb, supernaturally creating the lost part, raising someoen fro mthe dead (after true death and decay have set in, as in the cases cited i nthe bible)

“A. No Modern Events Have the Characteristics of Bible Miracles.

D. The Bible Teaches That Miracles Would Cease When Their Purpose Was Fulfilled.
1 Corinthians 13:8-11 - A prophecy that spiritual gifts would cease
The context - chaps. 12,13, and 14 all discuss spiritual gifts.

Chap. 12 lists the gifts (12:4-11) and shows they all had a useful purpose at the time they existed.

A. Those Who Seek Signs Are a “Wicked and Adulterous Generation” - Matt. 12:38,39.

In reality, Matthew 12 rebukes those who still want miracles today.
They have already been given adequate evidence of miracles as recorded in the Scripture (John 20:30,31). But they are not satisfied with those miracles, so they continue to ask for more! That is exactly what Jesus did rebuke.”

We need to be very careful about elevating spectacular healings (which may leave doctors scrathcing hteir heads) to the level of the TRUE ‘miracles’ that Christ and the Apostles did during hte age that TRUE miracles were needed for a witness to Christ’s Godship to the wayward Jews in that period.

29 posted on 01/09/2010 1:34:34 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

The Bible Teaches That Miracles Would Cease When Their Purpose Was Fulfilled.

With all due respect, neither I Corinthians 13:8-11, nor 12:4-11 says that.

The verses you single out in Chapter 13 say that they (the gifts) will end when "that which is perfect is come". That time has not yet come.

I realize that what you state is taught by many fundamentalists. But what you state is extra-biblical.

Now, having said that, relative to those who "heal" and "perform miracles"...I remain a skeptic. However, I have seen miracles and people healed in what could be termed miraculous ways.

34 posted on 01/09/2010 4:59:43 PM PST by norge (The amiable dunce is back, wearing a skirt and high heels.)
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