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To: CottShop

The Bible Teaches That Miracles Would Cease When Their Purpose Was Fulfilled.

With all due respect, neither I Corinthians 13:8-11, nor 12:4-11 says that.

The verses you single out in Chapter 13 say that they (the gifts) will end when "that which is perfect is come". That time has not yet come.

I realize that what you state is taught by many fundamentalists. But what you state is extra-biblical.

Now, having said that, relative to those who "heal" and "perform miracles"...I remain a skeptic. However, I have seen miracles and people healed in what could be termed miraculous ways.

34 posted on 01/09/2010 4:59:43 PM PST by norge (The amiable dunce is back, wearing a skirt and high heels.)
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To: norge

[[The verses you single out in Chapter 13 say that they (the gifts) will end when “that which is perfect is come”. That time has not yet come.]]

The problem is that we are NOT seeing TRUE miracles today- IF we were, healers wopuld be goign around and raisign hte dead, (and not just unconscious, but truly dead), restoring limbs, restoring sight, their shadows would be healing folks of lost functions on and on it goes- so either God’s ‘powers’ have diminished, or the age of TRUE miracles is over today

[[However, I have seen miracles]]

You’ve seen people raised fro mthe dead? Or the seas parted? Or anythign else for that matter that superceedes nature?

[[and people healed in what could be termed miraculous ways.]]

Unwarrented- The miracles of the bible were such that when witnessed, there was no possibility of a natural explanation- healings today, do infact have hte possibility of natural explanations- As mentioend before- them iracles were such that it left no doubt in anyone’s mind that they were miraculous supernatural events by God Himself- that infact was the express intent of any mioracle that God performed- so that noone could honestly quesiton it’s supernatural nature- I think you’ll agree that today’s ‘healings’ are infact quite quesitonable, and coudl ifnact have natural explanations, even if we aren’t sure how- the possibility that it is natural leaves doubt- God’s miracles, and htem iracles of the apostles never left doubt

The problem with healings is that they can infact be explained naturally, and do NOT fit the criteria for TRUE miracles- there are several criteria for TRUE miracles which when witnessed, can not be denied- which was the whole purpose of TRUE miracles to begin with- not havign an explanation doesn’t mean that somethign is supernatural- or that nature was suspended for the act to take place like as happens for TRUE miracles- not havign an explanation doesn’t mean that a natural explanation isn’t available- I listed several TRUE miracles, ALL of which superceeded nature- healing is not on that list, restoring lost body parts or lost functions is-

That which isperfect has infact come, has established itself, and that which was in part, or fragmented and isolated, has passed away- the church has become full, perfected- Soem teach that ‘that which is perfect’ refersto Heaven, however, there are many verses that back up the context that that which was perfect was referrign to the maturity of hte church- the fact that the TRUE miracles of hte apostles and Christ no logner takep lace today shows that that whgich was perfect is talking about the maturity of the church, and that no toungues and miracles etc are now needed. Either TRUE miracles kept on happening, or they somehow SEVERELY lost their potency ‘over time’ as again, I see no evidence that anyone is rasing anyoen fro mthe dead, nor restoring verifiably lost eyesight, or speakign a word and having lost limbs instantly appear etc etc, nor am I seeing anyone walk on water or part hte red sea, or take 5 fish and supernaturally multiply them 1000’s of times, norspeakign a word and turnign water into wine supernaturally.

Havign said all that- God is indeed gracious, and indeed does work WITH natural means for healings of illnesses today- just because science doesn’t know the exact natural mechanisms by which someone was healed doesn’t mean it’s not possible naturally for the person to recieve health, and hte fact that there in infact quesitons about the ‘supernatural-ness’ of healings shows that these are not the TRUE supernatural events that God once performed and which left NO doubt that they superceeded nature- I see no evidence that leaves no question happenign today- I do however see healings which could be explained naturally. The whole reason for miracles i nthe bible times was for the lost and hte rebellious Jews to KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt, that God was over and above nature

35 posted on 01/09/2010 6:01:54 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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