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Posted on 01/15/2010 9:44:27 PM PST by Quix
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BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD.
END TIMES, DREAMS, VISIONS, PROPHECY PING LIST PING LEVEL 1
Amen and Amen. It’s really an exciting time for us Christians because we KNOW that every day Jesus is one day closer to removing us from this cesspool, now called the world. Our ONLY job now is to bring as many into the fold and rescue them from the wrath of God as possible. And I still stand on His word that HE will bring in our unsaved or astray loved ones. We should actually be praising the Lord, not griping. CO
LOL Notice how few replies the Word of God gets????? THAT is why the country has been taken over. The United States as a country has kicked God out. Being the gentleman that He is, he will leave BUT with that he takes ALL of His Blessings and PROTECTION. America ought to think about that. It’s too late tho. American’s in particular think that they can always turn things around. They do NOT recognize the “season”. CO
Thanks for your kind reply.
HE AND HIS WORD
—THE ONLY STABILITY AND REFUGE IN OUR ERA.
Thx for your kind replies.
QUITE SO. QUITE SO.
However, there have been 70 views in about 30 minutes.
Praise God for that.
Thanks for your kind reply.
Also . . . it’s quite a long original post.
Many folks just don’t have the time or energy in their priority list.
I agree . . . some make The Word too low a priority.
However,it's far too simple,we need it to be a lot more complicated so we can have great long arguments about it as we water it down to more palatable levels.This would serve many of us well as we could then simply defer to others who know better (after all the mountain smokes and shakes and is not a little humbling)plus we can lose ourselves in all the details and keep some sort of face with the world.
What a precious and wise reply.
Your satirical exhortation is Tooooo true for comfort . . . I hope—in terms of many readers, anyway.!
BTW, you humble and bless me tons. I’m rarely, very rarely accused of being toooo simple! LOL.
To the shower.
Wow, weighty stuff. Thanks and prayers for wisdom for all.
Thanks for your kind reply.
Heading for the shower,
Please FREEPMAIL me with an update on your situation.
I think it’s the dogmatic certainty of Robertson’s assertion that gives many people pause. Who can know the mind of God on something like this, particularly in light of the new testament? The conventional wisdom of much of the old testament is that temporal blessings and difficulties are immediately dictated by one’s righteousness and it was clearly the conventional wisdom during Jesus’ ministry, which he challenged again and again. Really, this idea is seriously challenged in both the old and the new testaments (the book of Job, the parables of Jesus, the setting apart of Apostles and followers for special sufferings, “who sinned, this man or his parents?”, etc.)
And the specific example that Robertson cites about a pact with the devil is historically uncertain, to say the least! (How does one prove such a thing???!!!) If people have trouble embracing the idea that thousands of children are buried alive in response to the sins of their fathers as a deliberate, retributive act by God, you can hardly blame them. The best minds of Christianity have been struggling with such things since the beginning. That’s why it might be wiser to temper one’s statements about the purposes of God in any particular tragedy, particularly with the bleeding and dying still being removed from the rubble...
Luke 13:2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish
Luke 13:4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
I understand the reasonableness of your assertions.
I also know that the first hours of a disaster are often the best times to wake people up to the underlying spiritual issues that God may be highlighting.
I can’t be 100% certain of all the details of Haiti’s history vis a vis satan worship. However, in my 63 years of living, I’ve heard enough over the years that there’s far too much smoke to be no fire—in fact, the fires MUST be quite serious given the level of smoke.
That’s just what I’ve heard in the MSM over the decades.
This whitewashing of Haiti and it’s past just doesn’t was with me. There’s too much evidence been in the public domain over the years.
The children who die are in Heaven. They have it great. They got the best deal.
Those alive and suffering are another story and all Christian hearts go out to them.
Christian money and goods are pouring toward them.
SATAN WORSHIP IS A HORROR.
The bad person is not the one pointing out that it’s a horror. The bad is participating in it. The bad is the consequences from it.
you fail to appreciate the great significance of
globalist Henry Kissinger asserting that Aristide was psychotic.
Henry is as dyed in the wool a globalist as there is. I don’t know the degree to which he actively worships satan but I wouldn’t be surprised at anything.
However, for him to make such a remark about such a globalist stool pigeon and fellow satan worshiper as Aristide—is hugely significant.
Not sure what you intend the msg of those Scriptures to be.
but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
is going to be true for millions of people in many areas of the United States . . . from nukes and from earthquakes and from volcanoes as well as devastating weather, famine and plagues.
“Not sure what you intend the msg of those Scriptures to be.”
Hmm, I thought you would easily understand as you are certainly one of the brightest folks I’ve talked to. Jesus clearly points out that sin isn’t necessarily the reason for catastrophe. That’s all.
Not to be taken one way or the other.
Here’s something that I’m confused about. Maybe you can help me figure this out.
How come Haiti was destroyed and the Dominican Republic was left untouched?
After all they share the same island of Hispanola.
Do earthquake fault lines stop at artificial man-made international borders?
I think bogusname’s choice of scripture is to highlight that in the only instance of responding to a comparable assessment to a contemporary tragedy as what we have with Robertson (that I’m aware of off the top of my head, at least), Jesus did not come close to giving them the response they were looking for (”yeah, those guys really got what they deserved”...).
It’s exactly this kind of facile, simplistic way of interpreting events that is targeted in some of the parables...
Certainly Jesus did not say . . .
and those verses did not quote Him as saying
THAT FACT applied to all disasters in all situations.
I take those Scriptures as a caution not a law that applies in all cases.
Do you take them differently?
Thanks for your kind reply.
I haven’t checked the fault lines . . .
However, even if the fault lines crossed the border,
I’d NOT have been surprised to have seen the quake damage stop at the border.
I think this EXAMPLE was a . . . fairly precise one of God saying to the world—look at this island.
What the people and leaders have done with my priorities and laws
At least, that’s my read on it all.
Thanks for your kind words, BTW.
Wish I could take credit for the IQ.
Entirely God’s doing . . . as was all His careful training and conditioning and educating through umpteen long dark nights of the soul etc.
Has been all I could do to even partially keep up most of the time.
Bless you and yours this New Year.
Certainly Christ sliced katty wumpus across Pharisaical constructions on reality time after time.
I think one has toa be cautious in applying that record about the PHARISEES’ CONSTRUCTIONS ON REALITY
to ALL REALITY.
I do not believe Pat Robertson was operating in a Pharisee type of attitude at all. He has all the compassion in the world for the Haitians as his Operation Blessing’s outreach to them over the last year has well documented.
I believe Pat did tap into the heart of God regarding the satan worship and child sacrifice so horrifically real in Haiti.
“Do you take them differently?”
Nah, I was just adding my two cents in my usual untimely manner. Sorry
Nothing to be sorry about.
It’s a fitting and timely caution worth expressing.
I just don’t think it defines all reality.
Thanks for your kind reply.
Highly interesting if it is true that the more wicked part of Haiti has been seeing more natural disasters and that this doesn’t have some more prosaic explanation (such as worse construction under a faulty government, or geography). We could well look at home: San Freaksicko sits on a fault line and yet it has lucked out... so far.
BTW this doesn’t have much to do with Haiti, but some random poking around Wikipedia earlier today located an entry for “Abracadabra” which is purported to come from Kabbalistic numerology, a corruption of the Hebrew “arba echad arba” or 4 1 4. In the second century, an amulet containing “Abracadabra” reduced by one letter on succeeding lines was consider to ward off evil. Four having a mystical connotation of the divine and nine having a mystical connotation of evil. It didn’t say what the one is for. None of this matches with the numeric symbology of Revelation so it might just be “old wives tales.” Anyhow, 414 is the area code of a large part of the Milwaukee, Wisconsin area. Take that as you will.
You are absolutely right, you know - The term “judge not lest ye be judged” has been utterly misconstrued to mean “understand not lest ye understand”.
No doubt there will be those who dissent with what is plainly on the page, and will argue that God is nothing but love... which is true, but that doesn’t mean that there is not retribution. And that doesn’t mean that God will not be true to His Word.
There are some things so awful in Man, that the very land will spit you out - And if a nation cannot see those things being purged from another country, how will that nation see those things in itself?
This is just the beginning of sorrows. Those who refuse to see will have a very hard time ahead. Millions WILL perish. It is written. Jehovah will judge the nations.
Robertson is exactly right - and with precisely the right tone. His was not a judgment against individual persons, but a judgment against a nation. And he made it while helping greatly to pick up the pieces in the aftermath... That is his judgment upon individuals.
Have a good day.
1 Corinthians 6 1-4And how dare you take each other to court! When you think you have been wronged, does it make any sense to go before a court that knows nothing of God's ways instead of a family of Christians?
If the USA rule of law is more "righteous" than a pharisaic "christian" religious institutions rules, is it OK to use the Courts? Paul seemed to do this when he appealed to Caesar.
A Christian Psych Association Conventioni was once held in Oakland. I remember how hard it was to find a church to worship in on Sunday.
The enemy has succeeded far more than any of our better Founding Fathers would have had a nightmare about—in seducing folks into believing that the pleasures of a moment are the best life has to offer . . . and that there is no death or that death is just a transition to different fun and games a la the “New Age.”
The wake-up will be severe and Scripture indicates that even than many will just curse God and die. Boggles the mind.
Certainly these are but the BEGINNING of sorrows. I think few even awake and prepared Christians have much of an understanding of the severity ahead.
Scripture really means it when God says therein—WORSE THAN EVER HAS BEEN; WORSE THAN EVER WILL BE AGAIN.
The Grapes of Wrath [movie] will look like a delightful picnic by comparison.
Anything particularly ugly going on there or based there?
I do know that 999 is seen as having the same evil meaning as the upside down of it.
Laz, what’s with 414 . . . and Milwaukee? Any info on those?
4 in Chinese is not a good sound . . . sounds like the word for death.
I'm assuming that you mean that Haiti is the more wicked part of the island with the DR being the less wicked. There is slavery existing today in the DR, I've seen it. The Slaves are Haitians.
The DR is doing substantially better in large part because of the fortunes made by Dominicans in the cocaine business here in the US. These drugs have destroyed millions of lives and families over the past thirty years but have made thousands of Dominicans wealthy beyond our comprehension.
Crime is so rampant in the DR that our State Department warns tourists against leaving resort areas during the day as well as after dark.
Oh, santeria is not nearly as common in the DR as voodoo is in Haiti but it is deeply ingrained. They are two sides of the same animist coin.
THanks for your kind reply.
God spent enormous energy illustrating what Holy was in the Old Testament.
Folks sometimes seem to believe and act like the NT watered that down with Christ’s GRACE and Mercy triumphing over judgment etc.
Actually, Christ’s standard was tougher. Love your enemies. Do good to those who use [and abuse] you. Love others as yourself to the max. Love wives as Christ loved the Church. Obey the Spirit of the law. Give your coat also to someone who requests your sweater. Give to him who asks. Avoid expecting back from him who borrows.
The Sermon on The Mount set a new standard.
We have rationalized it away as a lofty nice speech to recite parts of at memorable occasions. Christ wasn’t just talking to hear the wind blow.
Those who earnestly attempt by His Blood, Grace and Spirit to live out the Sermon on The Mount’s standards will find new empowerment and authority in these END TIMES that will be unprecedented compared to all of history—including Moses’ era.
God is making leaders to rule and reign with Christ eternally. This boot camp is not just to give us spiritual muscles to preen and prance before mirrors and throngs with.
This Graduation era will be a most dramatic set of Graduation ceremonies.
God will be illustrating for all Creation the consequence of choosing HIM vs the consequences of choosing anyone or anything less than HIM.
The globalists believe the critters even though they know that the critters constantly lie to them. Amazing. They think they’ll snooker God Almighty as though HE were merely another critter.
These managers of the GREAT END TIMES DECEPTION will learn far too late that they have been the most deceived.
I wonder where the San Francisco based “Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence” will be excessing when the quake hits. How grand will their absurdities and costumes be then?
God have mercy on all who have any heart to know Him at all.
May He lead them to Him through whatever it takes.
Prayers for likewise for you.
Interesting points and question.
1. Paul was already “in the system” by no action of his own in terms of appealing to the system or choosing to be a participant in the system. He was hauled into the system for doing God’s work.
2. It was more of a Peter “Who would you have us obey—God or man?” kind of situation.
3. It is clear that God intended to get Paul to Ceasar and Rome for God’s purposes.
4. In terms of the courts in our era. No—do not use them between Christians. They are getting worse and worse headed by satanic globalists sitting in far more judges chairs.
5. I believe that MORE OFTEN THAN NOT—probably always or close to it—God would have the authentic Christians suffer loss rather than take each other to a pagan court system.
6. Instead, FIND WHATEVER HUMBLE WISE CHRISTIANS ARE IN THE AREA AND SUBMIT TO THAT CHRISTIAN’S OR A GROUP OF THEM’S JUDGMENT in the matter. God would bless that. He’s not very happy to bless taking each other to a pagan court.
7. Step-Dad has said all my life—GOD IS OUR PAYMASTER. GOD SAYS—HE WOULD THAT WE PROSPER AND BE IN HEALTH EVEN AS OUR SOUL PROSPERS. HE MEANT IT THEN; HE MEANS IT NOW. When we take care of the majors with His help, He takes care of minor things like wealth and property.
8. Take such matters to a humble lower status wise old discerning Spirit-filled Christian in the area. Give the atny’s fees to missions. Then see God bless. If the other believer won’t do that—suffer loss and wait on God to repay. I can’t read the related Scriptures any other way.
9. I’m not arguing that the RELIGIOUS SYSTEMS are always more inherently righteous than the pagan court system. They are NOT. I’m not even talking about such RELIGIOUS SYSTEMS. I’m talking about finding Believers who are wise, mature, experienced, humble, Spirit-led as individuals—submit the matter to them.
An alternative is trained mediators who are Christians.
QUITE SO! QUITE SO!
He’s not about to have more rebellions in Heaven.
He’s insisting that we get the highest priorities firmly right down to the cellular level in our bone marrow.
Evidently the flaunting of satan worship in Haiti pushed things a bit more over the line from God’s perspective.
Assuming your assessments are accurate, the DR will get it’s just due in due course.
It would be interesting to know what percentage of the populace is how immersed in worshiping something/someone other than God Almighty.
Robertson is a moronic, pompous @ss and his own words have just proven that (again). He’s just one of many phony baloney “religious icons” of this world. It’s bad enough that his stupidity and lack of real Christian faith presumes to judge hundreds of thousands of innocents by his words of condemnation...but, since he’s supposed to be a man of God, he also leads others to condemn and judge by example, as well. It just compounds his sin to the nth.
Beware of false prophets.
If God wanted to punish the evil-doers of this world, we’d be having devastating earthquakes everywhere. It’s not quite time for that scenario. The AC hasn’t had his chance to ‘shine’ and impress the world yet.
This is another very important aspect of disaster, which also should not be overlooked... Jehovah also says he disciplines those He loves to bring them back to Him. I am sure, amidst the spoil and debris, Ruach HaKodesh is working overtime. There will have been miracles and healings, and more to come - Opportunity abounds for those Christians who are on-site.
I fail to find or observe the least bit of evidence
that you know the Mind of God
on such matters,
I recognize that you ASSUME that you do.
The Scriptural and historical evidence is on Robertson’s side.
And Robertson’s OPERATION BLESSING people will be there right with the food, medicines AND THE GOSPEL to help as many as they possibly can.
I don’t know the particulars . . . from my generalized surface knowledge of such stuff . . .
IF the Christians were intent on fully following the will of God as outlined in Scripture, they would have negotiated with the other Christians a suitable recompense—done their best before God and man and independent other Christian mediators . . . and accepted the result; forgiven and blessed as God led.
The secular court system and laws kind of muddies things a bit in requiring such things to enter the justice system when child abuse has been involved. Where possible, I’d still have advocated taking it to Christian mediation.
I think most courts would have allowed that to take jurisdiction.
I think even most Christians take those Scriptures as . . .
And kind of relegate them to top or bottom dusty shelves in the libraries of their minds.
THAT’S NOT GOD’S ATTITUDE AT ALL.
When the meek inherit the earth, what laws do they think will be the operant ones?
TOTALLY BIBLICAL LAWS. TOTALLY.
If they count on being around due to their humility, they’re likely already earnestly trying to live by such.
The arrogant are something else.
But they won’t likely be around then.
I do beleive God is going to bring groups of people forward and raise their ‘social footprint’ in even the eyes of the world—LIVING BY SCRIPTURAL STANDARDS AS NEAR TOTALLY AS POSSIBLE—confirmed by signs and wonders accordingly.
Thanks for your kind words.