Skip to comments.Does God Hate Haiti? (What does this tragedy tell us?)
Posted on 01/16/2010 3:20:22 PM PST by SeekAndFind
The images streaming in from Haiti look like scenes from Dante's Inferno. The scale of the calamity is unprecedented. In many ways, Haiti has almost ceased to exist.
The earthquake that will forever change that nation came as subterranean plates shifted about six miles under the surface of the earth, along a fault line that had threatened trouble for centuries. But no one saw a quake of this magnitude coming. The 7.0 quake came like a nightmare, with the city of Port-au-Prince crumbling, entire villages collapsing, bodies flying in the air and crushed under mountains of debris. Orphanages, churches, markets, homes, and government buildings all collapsed. Civil government has virtually ceased to function. Without power, communication has been cut off and rescue efforts are seriously hampered. Bodies are piling up, hope is running out, and help, though on the way, will not arrive in time for many victims.
Even as boots are finally hitting the ground and relief efforts are reaching the island, estimates of the death toll range as high as 500,000. Given the mountainous terrain and densely populated villages that had been hanging along the fault line, entire villages may have disappeared. The Western Hemisphere's most impoverished nation has experienced a catastrophe that appears almost apocalyptic.
In truth, it is hard not to describe the earthquake as a disaster of biblical proportions. It certainly looks as if the wrath of God has fallen upon the Caribbean nation. Add to this the fact that Haiti is well known for its history of religious syncretism -- mixing elements of various faiths, including occult practices. The nation is known for voodoo, sorcery, and a Catholic tradition that has been greatly influenced by the occult.
Haiti's history is a catalog of political disasters, one after the other. In one account of the nation's fight for independence from the French in the late 18th century, representatives of the nation are said to have made a pact with the Devil to throw off the French. According to this account, the Haitians considered the French as Catholics and wanted to side with whomever would oppose the French. Thus, some would use that tradition to explain all that has marked the tragedy of Haitian history -- including now the earthquake of January 12, 2010.
Does God hate Haiti? That is the conclusion reached by many, who point to the earthquake as a sign of God's direct and observable judgment.
God does judge the nations -- all of them -- and God will judge the nations. His judgment is perfect and his justice is sure. He rules over all the nations and his sovereign will is demonstrated in the rising and falling of nations and empires and peoples. Every molecule of matter obeys his command, and the earthquakes reveal his reign -- as do the tides of relief and assistance flowing into Haiti right now.
A faithful Christian cannot accept the claim that God is a bystander in world events. The Bible clearly claims the sovereign rule of God over all his creation, all of the time. We have no right to claim that God was surprised by the earthquake in Haiti, or to allow that God could not have prevented it from happening.
God's rule over creation involves both direct and indirect acts, but his rule is constant. The universe, even after the consequences of the Fall, still demonstrates the character of God in all its dimensions, objects, and occurrences. And yet, we have no right to claim that we know why a disaster like the earthquake in Haiti happened at just that place and at just that moment.
The arrogance of human presumption is a real and present danger. We can trace the effects of a drunk driver to a car accident, but we cannot trace the effects of voodoo to an earthquake -- at least not so directly. Will God judge Haiti for its spiritual darkness? Of course. Is the judgment of God something we can claim to understand in this sense -- in the present? No, we are not given that knowledge. Jesus himself warned his disciples against this kind of presumption.
Why did no earthquake shake Nazi Germany? Why did no tsunami swallow up the killing fields of Cambodia? Why did Hurricane Katrina destroy far more evangelical churches than casinos? Why do so many murderous dictators live to old age while many missionaries die young?
Does God hate Haiti? God hates sin, and will punish both individual sinners and nations. But that means that every individual and every nation will be found guilty when measured by the standard of God's perfect righteousness. God does hate sin, but if God merely hated Haiti, there would be no missionaries there; there would be no aid streaming to the nation; there would be no rescue efforts -- there would be no hope.
The earthquake in Haiti, like every other earthly disaster, reminds us that creation groans under the weight of sin and the judgment of God. This is true for every cell in our bodies, even as it is for the crust of the earth at every point on the globe. The entire cosmos awaits the revelation of the glory of the coming Lord. Creation cries out for the hope of the New Creation.
In other words, the earthquake reminds us that the Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only real message of hope. The cross of Christ declares that Jesus loves Haiti -- and the Haitian people are the objects of his love. Christ would have us show the Haitian nation his love, and share his Gospel. In the midst of this unspeakable tragedy, Christ would have us rush to aid the suffering people of Haiti, and rush to tell the Haitian people of his love, his cross, and salvation in his name alone.
Everything about the tragedy in Haiti points to our need for redemption. This tragedy may lead to a new openness to the Gospel among the Haitian people. That will be to the glory of God. In the meantime, Christ's people must do everything we can to alleviate the suffering, bind up the wounded, and comfort the grieving. If Christ's people are called to do this, how can we say that God hates Haiti?
If you have any doubts about this, take your Bible and turn to John 3:16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. That is God's message to Haiti.
There is only one thing that God hates... and it ain’t people-no matter who they are or what they’ve done.
Look it up. It’s in the book.
Why was the earthquake just on Haiti’s side of the island? Is there a mountain range between Haiti and the Dominican Republic?
It tells us that any actor that would try to attribute the event to global warming is a god-damned idiot.
Good read, well written, thanks for the post.
Has more to do with culture.
Former French colonies tend to be basket cases, whereas
most Brit colonies do far better.
Does God Hate Haiti?
AlbertMohler.com ^ | 1/14/2010 | Al Mohler http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2429287/posts?page=1
Yeah, he also hates f*gs too... Or so I’ve heard...
Rebar is favored by God.
Post 10 - Vodou is no different than Gomer covering herself with the perfumed grease of Baal. She and her children were separated from God. “The demonic promises of protection the false prophets proclaimed will only serve to crush the deceived.” - Craig Winn
Albert Mohler seems to be a level-headed and thoughtful guy - unlike some other so-called religious leaders.
Yeah..I am trying to upset some people for these repetitive threads.
A childs fate can be linked to their parents beliefs and conduct. If a mother is a devil-worshiping Baal prostitute, chances are her children will be immoral and idolatrous. Hosea 2:6-7 (New International Version)
6 Therefore I will block her path with thornbushes;
I will wall her in so that she cannot find her way.
I will strip her naked
and make her as bare as on the day she was born;
I will make her like a desert,
turn her into a parched land,
and slay her with thirst.
4 I will not show my love to her children,
because they are the children of adultery.
5 Their mother has been unfaithful
and has conceived them in disgrace.
_____________________________________________________________________________Ezekiel 10 ‘Because they lead my people astray, saying, “Peace,” when there is no peace, and because, when a flimsy wall is built, they cover it with whitewash, 11 therefore tell those who cover it with whitewash that it is going to fall. Rain will come in torrents, and I will send hailstones hurtling down, and violent winds will burst forth. 12 When the wall collapses, will people not ask you, “Where is the whitewash you covered it with?”
17 “Now, son of man, set your face against the daughters of your people who prophesy out of their own imagination. Prophesy against them 18 and say, ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Woe to the women who sew magic charms on all their wrists and make veils of various lengths for their heads in order to ensnare people. Will you ensnare the lives of my people but preserve your own? 19 You have profaned me among my people for a few handfuls of barley and scraps of bread. By lying to my people, who listen to lies, you have killed those who should not have died and have spared those who should not live.
20 “ ‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am against your magic charms with which you ensnare people like birds and I will tear them from your arms; I will set free the people that you ensnare like birds.
So God. The one God of the whole universe. The God who keeps the tides of the oceans, the orbit of the Earth perfectly synchronized around the sun. Who maintains the orbit of all the planets, moons, asteroids and comets in this solar system and keeps the billions of stars in our solar system going. Who created every star and solar system, billions of them, hates the people of an island whose contribution to the rest of the world in either a positive or negative is nil? If this was true it would seem very, very petty of God to do so. I mean really. Haiti? One billion Muslims in the world following true evil and in a position to do great harm to the rest of the World and God hates a few million Haitians?
> Does God Hate Haiti? (What does this tragedy tell us?)
I do not know what the tragedy tells me, but I know what Our Lord said about this subject in Luke 13: 1-5
“There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
Sage and timely advice, as usual, from Our Lord.
The Tower of Siloam fell on Haiti — metaphorically speaking — the other day. And if we do not repent, we shall all likewise perish.
No, He loves the people of Haiti.
Pat said Haiti’s problems stem from “occult activity” is pretty kooky stuff! http://www.haitisurf.com/vaudou.shtml
I don’t think God hates Haiti, or anyone else. What He is doing, is giving all of us warnings....
Matthew 24:3-14 - And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
All these are the beginning of sorrows. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
BBC says, it is a common saying among Haitians that Haiti is 70% Catholic, 30% Protestant, and 100% VOODOO !!
There have been modern “prophecies” of a Great Shaking coming, for years, from a variety of sources, from humble people embarrassed but compelled to speak out, to well known charismatic religious figures. Take that for what it’s worth. I track these sort of statements online as a sort of hobby.
I honestly can’t think of another nation that credits its own founding to an occult ceremony. Haiti does.
Speaking of that ceremony, what happened to the Bois Caiman site, where this occurred? It’s to the north of Port-au-Prince, in a very mountainous area.
If it was obliterated, as entire villages are said to have been, then there’s an answer, right along with the collapse of the National Cathedral, that tolerated vodou within its walls.
This isn’t the first great natural disaster in recent years, to beset vodou capitals.
SEE HERE :
Haiti makes voodoo official
Voodoo has been practised in Haiti since the late 18th Century, but only now has it been recognised as a religion on a par with others worshipped in the country.
Haiti’s Catholic President, Jean-Bertrand Aristide, took the decision earlier in April which means that voodoo ceremonies such as marriages now have equal standing with Catholic ones.
The mixture of gods and goddesses and Catholic saints is an integral part of Haitian life - one common saying is that Haitians are 70% Catholic, 30% Protestant, and 100% voodoo.
“We’ve always been the majority religion in Haiti - it’s never been illegal to be a voodooisant,” said Mambu Racine Sumbu, an American voodoo priestess who has been practising in Haiti for 15 years.
She told the BBC World Service’s Reporting Religion programme: “What President Aristide has done for us, for which we are very thankful, is to facilitate us in obtaining the status that we need to perform legally-binding religious ceremonies.”
Haitian voodoo acquired a poor reputation internationally during the dictatorships of the voodoo physician, Francois “Papa Doc” Duvalier, and his son, Jean-Claude, or “Baby Doc”.
Ninety-five percent of voodoo is simply the invoking of spirits to help people survive what is sometimes a very difficult life
Voodoo expert Leslie Griffiths
US Presidents John F Kennedy - whose assassination Papa Doc claimed “credit” for following the placing of a voodoo curse upon him - and Jimmy Carter condemned the regimes for using voodoo to repress their people.
But Priestess Sumbu said that proper use of voodoo had little to do with such oppression.
“Much of the image that people have of Haiti is based on anti-voodoo propaganda,” she said.
“Our religion is a religion of great power and beauty.
“What President Aristide’s decree has done for us is to give us the same legal status as other religions in Haiti, but we have always been the majority religion - over 90% of Haitians are voodooisant.
“So now we’re hoping to obtain something to allow us to set up our own schools, our own hospitals and so forth.
“This is the first step.”
A bunch of illiterates without a social structure fold quickly.
I mean killing a chicken isn't all that mainstream an act.
“And I looked and another beast came up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke as a dragon. 1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea; and I saw a beast rising out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and upon its horns ten diadems, and upon its heads names of blasphemy.
That's quite the statement.
It would be ridiculous to punish a “nation”, penalizing the good along with the bad just because the good lived in the same country as the bad.
Here’s a thread in the rel forum re judging etc. and Haiti . . .
Wait a minute...
HOW long has this earth suffered earthquakes??? How many do we have each year?
We live on this earth. This stuff HAPPENS. So to cold spells, heat waves, tornadoes, hurricanes, etc...
God hates but ONE thing - Sin. He doesn’t hate people or countries. Quite the contrary as another poster has pointed out.
Please ping me when you graduate from High School.I did not ping you.
Stop posting to me.
Wow what? that the have a mountain range separating the two countries? Not uncommon in the region.
That it only happened on one side.
as far as I know, God would not punish the ignorant.....
Wouldn't he come down harder on those that KNOW the truth, KNOW what is good, what is moral?
that means that we holier than thou Westerners with our divorce rate, our abortion, our child molestation, and killing, and raping, and our pornagraphy, our drug use, our gluttony in all things pleasurable.....aren't we in for it?.....think about it..
why would God go after poor,ignorant peasants that live hand to mouth....
God loves the people of Haiti and of the whole world. Obama loves himself.
I can say who is good.
And geographical regions which include good people should pay any indiscriminate penalty just because there are uncool folks living in the same area.
"I can say who is good."
"And geographical regions which include good people should not pay any indiscriminate penalty just because there are uncool folks living in the same area."
It works that way .. they get strong quakes across the mountains from us in SoCal and we feel nothing out here... it’s all the fault lines and how they run... if the quakes in SoCal happen on our side of the mountains we will feel them and sometimes if they take place up in the mountains themselves we feel them.
I’ve been through more than I liked over the years in SoCal... our last day in California was the day of the big Northridge quake, I still remember the Whittier quake — which in numbers wasn’t huge, but it was shallow and it lasted a long time... and shook things pretty well doing a lot of damage.....
Wow,That’s so scary.My son was there for the Northrige quake and he had just crossed the bridge and was riding down the road and saw the telephone polls swaying.Thank God he got a call to us.He was in the Navy then.
Romans 3:9-11 (King James Version)
9What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
10As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
No one is good (righteous), Cherry.
The wonder is not that Haiti has been stricken by disaster but that all of us aren’t, daily.
It is the wonder of God’s grace that any of us are spared and things like this are a warning of the danger for all of us.
1There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
2And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
3I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
4Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
5I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Truly such disasters should be a warning to all of us and an opportunity to show Christ’s mercy by helping where we can.
Book of Job also applies.
Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
God loves Haiti. The nation has a sinful history, as do all other nations.
We need to look at God's rebuke of Job's advisors. They all told him his troubles were because he had somehow sinned. About half that book is God's anger at them for giving counsel without getting God's answer first.