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Objections to Marines' Bible-coded rifle sights
Baltimore Sun ^ | January 19, 2010

Posted on 01/19/2010 8:57:50 AM PST by Between the Lines

An atheist group is objecting to coded references to New Testament passages that a Michigan manufacturer is inscribing on rifle sights it provides to U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Trijicon has a $660 million contract to provide up to 800,000 sights to the Marines, and other contracts with the Army. ABC News reported Monday that the manufacturer, founded by a Christian, had long marked its products with what ABC News called “secret ‘Jesus’ Bible codes:” One of the citations on the gun sights, 2COR4:6, is an apparent reference to Second Corinthians 4:6 of the New Testament, which reads: "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."

Other references include citations from the books of Revelation, Matthew and John dealing with Jesus as "the light of the world." John 8:12, referred to on the gun sights as JN8:12, reads, "Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

Trijicon confirmed to ABCNews.com that it adds the biblical codes to the sights sold to the U.S. military. Tom Munson, director of sales and marketing for Trijicon, which is based in Wixom, Michigan, said the inscriptions "have always been there" and said there was nothing wrong or illegal with adding them. Munson said the issue was being raised by a group that is "not Christian." The company has said the practice began under its founder, Glyn Bindon, a devout Christian from South Africa who was killed in a 2003 plane crash.

(Excerpt) Read more at weblogs.baltimoresun.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events
KEYWORDS: marines; scripture; trijicon; usmilitary

1 posted on 01/19/2010 8:57:51 AM PST by Between the Lines
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To: Between the Lines

I LOVE it!

Colonel, USAFR


2 posted on 01/19/2010 9:02:54 AM PST by jagusafr (Kill the red lizard, Lord! - nod to C.S. Lewis)
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To: Between the Lines

Trijicon makes good stuff but I can’t imagine why they would jeopardize what has to be a lucrative contract that way. The world is the way it is not the way we wish it to be. I’m not a fan of mixing Jesus and killing anyway. It’s like the Teutonic knights of the middle ages singing “Christ is Risen” while butchering pagan Lithuanians at the battle of Grunwald (they lost).


3 posted on 01/19/2010 9:04:08 AM PST by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: Between the Lines
The problem is, what? These atheist groups need to STFU as they and their policies are the reason our once-great country is sliding into the sewage.

So what if there is an innocuous stamp with a reference to the Bible on their product. It does not seem to stop the optics from functioning properly.

4 posted on 01/19/2010 9:06:30 AM PST by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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I’ve always wondered, “WHY do the atheists even care?” For being a group of people so intent on not believing, they sure do seem to have a lot of hang-ups.


5 posted on 01/19/2010 9:06:53 AM PST by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: Between the Lines

With or without an inscription Trijicon makes some damned fine optics. Personally, I like the idea of an appropriate inscription. I’ll have to check my Aimpoint to see if anything’s there or not.


6 posted on 01/19/2010 9:07:47 AM PST by Tucsonican
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To: Between the Lines

Everyone has a complaint. Even if it is ill founded.

Before the athiests complain they should try out the goods, pick them us, use them ... and then have an involvement.

Athiests? $! Need to get a grip on life.


7 posted on 01/19/2010 9:08:47 AM PST by himno hero
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To: DariusBane
but I can’t imagine why they would jeopardize what has to be a lucrative contract that way.

They were doing it even before the government contracts.

8 posted on 01/19/2010 9:09:05 AM PST by Between the Lines (For their sins of 50 million abortions God gave them over to be an ObamaNation {Romans 1:24-32})
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To: Between the Lines

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!


9 posted on 01/19/2010 9:09:09 AM PST by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: DariusBane
--agree completely.

----these bloodthirsty Jesus freaks should take a look at 5 Matthew v39, KJV--

10 posted on 01/19/2010 9:09:09 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: Between the Lines

If the Marines aren’t objecting, then the atheists need to shut the heck up.


11 posted on 01/19/2010 9:14:19 AM PST by Fast Moving Angel (GOP: Stop listening, start doing -- we need new leaders!)
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To: OldMissileer

I have Trijicon’s stuff on several of my AR’s. Works good and rugged. When I’m looking down the pipe, I’m not interested in the serial number.


12 posted on 01/19/2010 9:16:00 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Democrats: the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy and Sedition)
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To: Between the Lines

Oh my gosh! Please tell me there are no “cross” hairs on the scopes also. I am now calling up all schematics for every piece of equipement used by the military, including port-a-potties, to make sure there are no crosses of any kind whatsoever incorporated into the design and construction of said equipment even though removing them will weaken the integrity of said equipment. I see a crosses in the shape of airplanes. I will also make sure runways, roadways, etc, military, foreign, federal and state, will not contain an offensive cross-representing structure known as intersections, especially those Celtic-cross-looking traffic circles. Damn those telephone poles! Now removing 100-year-old oak tree with naturally-growing, offensive, cross-forming branches.


13 posted on 01/19/2010 9:16:36 AM PST by cajuncow
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To: rellimpank

>>bloodthirsty Jesus freaks

Ya know, a few of “them” died for you also. The least you could do is pay a small measure of respect.

You don’t think the US government should be doing business with Christians? The inscriptions were already there when the deal was struck. The price was right and the quality level was acceptable. Are you a vampire or something?


14 posted on 01/19/2010 9:16:54 AM PST by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: Arkansas Toothpick
I’ve always wondered, “WHY do the atheists even care?”

It's important to realize that atheism is a religion. It is a worldview. It is a matter of faith.

The agnostic shrugs and says, "I really have no idea about this God stuff. Have a nice day."
The atheist, however, believes to the depths of his soul that God does not exist. He stakes his very existence of this "fact" and makes it central to his existence. He cannot really know one way or the other, but the important point is that he believes.

Our broken society currently treats his belief in the non-existence of God as somehow more "legitimate" than my belief in the existence of God. The schools are full of the beliefs of atheists, but cannot be associated with the beliefs of churchgoers.

The First Amendment protects him as much as it protects me -- but it does not protect him more than it protects me.

15 posted on 01/19/2010 9:17:50 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (We have the 1st so that we can call on people to rebel. We have 2nd so that they can.)
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To: DariusBane
I’m not a fan of mixing Jesus and killing anyway.

"I come not to bring peace, but a sword." Mr. Jesus Christ.

16 posted on 01/19/2010 9:19:15 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: rellimpank

Boy how you got blood thirsty Jesus freaks from my post is beyond me. Is it in dispute that the Germanic orders were less than christian in their forays into Poland and Lithuania? The Germans never quit trying until WWII. The German soldier, his belt buckle said “God with Us” while marching through Europe butchering Slavs, Jews and gypsies. Is this in dispute? Do you believe that the Germany of 1939 was a christian country? Yes the Teutonic order sang “Christ is Risen” while in battle. It is a fact. With the world view they had it seemed correct to them. I don’t want to combine killing and Jesus the way they did. If I ran that company I would recognize the world we live in today and I wouldn’t want to jeopardize a government contract. How you got blood thirsty Jesus Freak out of my post is just your attempt to characterize my post as something it was not.


17 posted on 01/19/2010 9:22:11 AM PST by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: Between the Lines

NDI COTS
Non Developmental Item- Commercial Off the Shelf

Searching around on the internet, it looks like the Trijicon contract is for an NDI product. If the government buyer did not specify it in the contract, and failed to spot it, too bad.

It’s Off the Shelf just like you’d buy at any gun store.


18 posted on 01/19/2010 9:22:11 AM PST by ironwill (III - Molon Labe)
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To: ironwill

If they bought it off the self then the government can’t complain.


19 posted on 01/19/2010 9:23:07 AM PST by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: rellimpank

Oh, please.

First off, anyone who believes Jesus died on the cross for his sins and who pins his hope in the resurrection is bloodthirsty. Read the rest of Gospels before you speak so ignorantly. You’ll see things like Jesus saying that if you didn’t eat His flesh and drink his blood you would die, that He didn’t come to bring peace but a sword, that He came to judge the living and the dead, and that if you don’t stop sinning bad things will happen to you. Sorry if that offends you.


20 posted on 01/19/2010 9:26:10 AM PST by naturalized
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To: Lurker
Psalm 144: "Blessed be the Lord God My strength,which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight..."

CC

21 posted on 01/19/2010 9:29:13 AM PST by Celtic Conservative (Calling illegal aliens "undocumented workers" is like calling drug dealers "unlicensed pharmacists")
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To: Between the Lines

Brian Ross acted as if he had just discovered a fraudulent birth certificate or something.
His reaction to this “ scandal “ was akin to Abu Ghraib.
He was apoplectic that some Afghan solders may have been trained on weapons with these sights.
He also had a video of Bibles (allegedly ) in Arabic
being unboxed in Afghanistan and he accused US soldiers and chaplains of proselytizing.
The inscription is tiny , you really have to look for it and it’s been a long standing practice of Trijicon .
The Marines and Special Ops prefer the sights, the company just got a big defense contract and Ross definitely wanted that contract
voided because of Muslim sensitivities.


22 posted on 01/19/2010 9:29:43 AM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Lurker

Jesus never never never urged Peter for instance to take up a sword and fight the Romans. Jesus was destroying convention, and radically challenging society. Nothing that he advocated for could be met with peace. If Jesus had walked the streets of Richmond Virginia in the 1800’s decrying slavery he would not have been met with open arms. Jesus was a radical, and remains so today.


23 posted on 01/19/2010 9:30:22 AM PST by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: Between the Lines

What I’m seeing out there in the Internet Gun Forum Pooled Ignorance System, and on the gun bloggers, is that most people think it’s cool, it’s funny, and even the hard core atheists wouldn’t let it keep them from buying Trijicon.


24 posted on 01/19/2010 9:34:11 AM PST by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise. " Gal 3:29)
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To: Arkansas Toothpick
“WHY do the atheists even care?” For being a group of people so intent on not believing, they sure do seem to have a lot of hang-ups.

Because, of course, they're not indifferent. They hate God.

25 posted on 01/19/2010 9:35:44 AM PST by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise. " Gal 3:29)
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To: DariusBane
Jesus never never never urged Peter for instance to take up a sword and fight the Romans.

No, but He did tell his disciples to sell a extra cloak, and buy a sword for defensive purposes. Aggression was wrong, but self defense while traveling and spreading the gospel was acceptable even to Jesus.

CC

26 posted on 01/19/2010 9:37:37 AM PST by Celtic Conservative (Calling illegal aliens "undocumented workers" is like calling drug dealers "unlicensed pharmacists")
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To: Between the Lines
Honestly I never noticed. Next time I am in the armory I will have to check it out. We have some of their optics on our M4’s.
27 posted on 01/19/2010 9:40:48 AM PST by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
He also had a video of Bibles (allegedly ) in Arabic

Do Afghans read and speak Arabic? LOL

28 posted on 01/19/2010 9:43:49 AM PST by the_daug
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To: Celtic Conservative

I agree with you completely. What I find fascinating about Jesus is he single handedly brought down the Roman Empire. He also destroyed slavery. I hear people complaining that the Bible did not specifically decry slavery as an institution. Instead, Christianity made slavery an impossibility and incompatible with a christian civilization. No where on earth will you find Christianity and Slavery together. So Jesus did bring a Sword he just does stuff his way.


29 posted on 01/19/2010 9:50:49 AM PST by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: DariusBane
What I find fascinating about Jesus is he single handedly brought down the Roman Empire

Really? That's no mean feat considering Rome didn't fall for almost 400 years after the death of Christ and if you consider Constantinople almost 800 years.

30 posted on 01/19/2010 10:39:41 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Between the Lines
And in related news, atheists complained that Marines from Camp Pendleton were eating at In-N-Out, which has "secret Bible codes" on it food wrappers and drink cups.

31 posted on 01/19/2010 10:42:40 AM PST by atomic_dog
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To: Lurker

You are correct, and Slavery was not finished until the American Civil War. Constantine was part of the very very long process of changing the Roman Empire. Are you going to foolishly argue that the Byzantine Empire under Justinian was the same empire as under Domitian?


32 posted on 01/19/2010 10:43:40 AM PST by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: DariusBane
Are you going to foolishly argue that the Byzantine Empire under Justinian was the same empire as under Domitian?

The same? No. But to the citizens it was still very much the Roman Empire.

33 posted on 01/19/2010 11:04:32 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker

yes it was, but not the same Roman Empire


34 posted on 01/19/2010 11:20:06 AM PST by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: MarineBrat

How appropriate is that saying. I love it.


35 posted on 01/19/2010 1:58:19 PM PST by cubreporter ( Rush is coming back on Wed. Welcome back Rush. God bless you for all you do for all of us.)
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