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Female priests defy Catholic Church, hope to change it
Washington Post ^ | Januay 23, 2010 | Katie Balestra

Posted on 01/23/2010 5:01:26 AM PST by NYer

Inside a red brick house in Falls Church, Bridget Mary Meehan placed a silver chalice of wine and a plate of flatbread on the coffee table in her living room and prepared to lead a sacred, forbidden ceremony.

"As we gather around this table, this intimate little house church table, let us remember that God is raising us up, all of us," she said, smiling at the four worshipers who had come to hear her say Mass.

Three and a half years ago, Meehan joined a group of Catholic women from across the United States known as the Roman Catholic Womenpriests -- ordained as bishops, priests and deacons, sometimes in secret ceremonies, against Vatican law. The first ceremony took place in 2002, when a renegade bishop ordained seven women in a boat on the Danube River near Passau, Germany. Most, if not all members, have been excommunicated.

The group, which has about 70 women, is one of several nationwide gaining support among U.S. Catholics as more of them begin to question the Vatican's stance on women's role in the Church.

"Our goal is to bring about full equality of women in the Roman Catholic Church," said Meehan, 62. "We love the faith. We love the spirituality. That's why we remain Catholic. We are holding disobedience to an unjust law that discriminates against women. We're willing to go the whole mile with the institution on this."

The movement has a strong following in the Washington region.

Last year, Maureen Fiedler, host of "Interfaith Voices" on WAMU (88.5), organized a fundraiser for her radio program with a special address by the Rev. Roy Bourgeois, a Catholic priest facing excommunication for attending a Womenpriests ordination.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues; Theology
KEYWORDS: heretics; priesthood; wannabes
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1 posted on 01/23/2010 5:01:27 AM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...
Lears, the nun from Baltimore, was supported by her family and members of her church. Shortly after being punished, she attended Mass at her local parish with her sister and mother. She was forbidden to take Communion, but her mother and sister decided to share their hosts with her. Other parishioners dropped pieces of their hosts into her hands. By the ritual's end, her hands were full.

Note the msm choice of terminology - "punished". Good to know the pastor is not administering communion. The Latin Church needs to eliminate communion in the hand.

2 posted on 01/23/2010 5:05:23 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer

Silly old women...

May God open their eyes to the truth.


3 posted on 01/23/2010 5:06:50 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: NYer

Question...why would these women want to be part of a Church that doesn’t want them?


4 posted on 01/23/2010 5:11:44 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: NYer
Aren't these people supposed to just leave and found their own church? How much of a payoff do they need to go away?
5 posted on 01/23/2010 5:12:53 AM PST by Bernard (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, Three if by Government)
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To: NYer

There is nothing “fordden” about it. They can dress up and play whatever games they like. They are not Catholic.What they do has no effect and is not even remotely what occurs in the Mass. Moslems could go through the motions or Methodists could do it. It is no more than a play for a very small audience.


6 posted on 01/23/2010 5:16:05 AM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: Bernard
Is that what happens? These people get paid off to go away? Is that what gays who want to get "married" do as well?

It makes no sense for these people to just keep pushing people to conform to their ideas.

7 posted on 01/23/2010 5:27:08 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: arthurus

The day the Catholic Church allows this, is the day I leave the Church.


8 posted on 01/23/2010 5:30:20 AM PST by waxer1 ( "The Bible is the rock on which our republic rests." -Andrew Jackson)
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To: NYer

There is no such thing as women priests.

Silly wimmenses....

I suppose the closest they could come would be Church of England, maybe. They have women everythings. But its not Catholic....


9 posted on 01/23/2010 5:30:57 AM PST by Adder (Proudly ignoring Zero since 1-20-09! WTFU!)
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To: NYer
If women want to play let's pretend priest, nobody is going to stop them, but they at least should not lie and call themselves Catholic priests. They should go be Episcopalians or Lutherans or something.
10 posted on 01/23/2010 5:35:56 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Earthdweller
why would these women want to be part of a Church that doesn’t want them?

Your question is wrongly formed. You should have asked "Why would these women want to be priests in a church which does not recognize female priesthood?" The answer is the same as why sodomites want to be preachers in churches which require their pastors to keep their sexual life within marriage.

11 posted on 01/23/2010 5:41:19 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: NYer; waxer1

Totally agree with you both. Why don’t they just become Episcopalians and get it over with? I even have a problem with the headline. If they are female, they are not RC priests.


12 posted on 01/23/2010 5:41:45 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: Earthdweller
Question...why would these women want to be part of a Church that doesn’t want them?

As one of them explained: "Our goal is to bring about full equality of women in the Roman Catholic Church," said Meehan, 62. "We love the faith. We love the spirituality. That's why we remain Catholic. We are holding disobedience to an unjust law that discriminates against women. We're willing to go the whole mile with the institution on this."

In essence, out of defiance, not love for Christ and His Church.

13 posted on 01/23/2010 5:45:11 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: hinckley buzzard
It makes no sense to me that women who practially run everythng in a church wouldn’t be satified with doing just that. The robes and “recognition” of Priests are just for show anyway. I think these people have an agenda of trying to destroy the Catholic Church...not change it...just like the gays who push for "marriage".
14 posted on 01/23/2010 5:45:43 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: arthurus
When I was a kid, we played church and priest...the whole bit.....thanks to NECCO wafers!!

The only difference here is that we admitted we were playing.

15 posted on 01/23/2010 5:46:53 AM PST by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: NYer
"As one of them explained: "Our goal is to bring about full equality of women in the Roman Catholic Church," said Meehan, 62. "We love the faith. We love the spirituality. That's why we remain Catholic. We are holding disobedience to an unjust law that discriminates against women. We're willing to go the whole mile with the institution on this."

Complete baloney..see my previous post.

16 posted on 01/23/2010 5:47:37 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: waxer1; arthurus
The day the Catholic Church allows this, is the day I leave the Church.

No need to worry. It won't happen. Pope John Paul II issued an "Apostolic Letter on Reserving Priestly Ordination to Men Alone" (Ordinatio Sacerdotalis). The Holy Father declared: "Although the teaching that priestly ordination is to be reserved to men alone has been preserved by the constant and universal Tradition of the Church and firmly taught by the Magisterium in its more recent documents, at the present time in some places it is nonetheless considered still open to debate, or the Church's judgment that women are not to be admitted to ordination is considered to have a merely disciplinary force. Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church's divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Luke 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful." - May 22, 1994

17 posted on 01/23/2010 5:50:11 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer
What the heck is wrong with being a woman and supporting your faith as a woman. Why must you seek the man's role? It makes me think you're just plain jealous of the leadership role which has been given to men.

If you don't like it, start your own religion...Oh,.....it's all about money isn't it....

18 posted on 01/23/2010 5:53:02 AM PST by Sacajaweau (What)
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Becoming is Nun is the realistic path for these women. They cannot go against the teachings of the the Church for their own gain. That's not how it works.

I surely hope they realize this and come to their senses.

19 posted on 01/23/2010 5:53:16 AM PST by NoRedTape
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To: NYer

This is just another stealth attack on the Catholic Church. If these women can get the Church to bend on this issue, then it’s open season on all issues. Stay the course.


20 posted on 01/23/2010 5:55:01 AM PST by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: Sacajaweau

The men in the Catholic Church don’t have the “leadership role”...the women do because they run everything from the ground up. These women are trying to destroy the Church. When will people finally realize this? Don’t feel sorry for these morons. Tell them to take a hike.


21 posted on 01/23/2010 5:56:21 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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22 posted on 01/23/2010 5:57:05 AM PST by narses ("lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi")
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To: NYer
... and prepared to lead a sacred, forbidden ceremony.
Uh, no; a sacrilegious, idolatrous parody is the phrase that fits.
23 posted on 01/23/2010 6:05:14 AM PST by narses ("lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi")
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To: Earthdweller

I don’t feel sorry for them at all and believe what they’re doing is wrong and a very bad example for young women.


24 posted on 01/23/2010 6:09:54 AM PST by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: Sacajaweau; mlizzy; NYer; kstewskis; Victoria Delsoul
You would think that these women would take Our Blessed Mother as the role model. Mary didn't try to get her own way with God. She chose to be obedient to his word.

How do they not see that?

25 posted on 01/23/2010 6:13:15 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: NYer; All

obedience


26 posted on 01/23/2010 6:13:40 AM PST by paterfamilias
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To: waxer1

I believe TODAY’S so called Catholic church WILL cave.


27 posted on 01/23/2010 6:16:00 AM PST by cubreporter (Scott Brown turned it all around. The people CAN and DID make a difference!!!)
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To: Texas resident

That’s right. They don’t really love the Church or they wouldn’t be doing this. They want to destroy the Church, just like the radical gays want to destroy marriage. If either group truly respected and understood the institution they seek to infiltrate, they would lay off.


28 posted on 01/23/2010 6:16:37 AM PST by Elvina (BHO is doubleplus ungood.)
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To: NYer
I am of two opinions here, and granted as a Lutheran, I do not expect you Catholics to pay either of them any mind.

First, they are violating the man-made rules and laws of that religion. That is wrong and they have other options if they feel so strongly about it. The Roman Catholic Church does not allow ordination of women. That is the law. There are other faiths that do. I used to be ELCA and most of the woman Pastors I ran into were arrogant and condescending people who really enjoyed "lording" over mere men.

Second, I imagine that some of you Roman Catholics think fondly about the good old days, before Martin Luther, when you could deal decisively with heretics such as these by burning them a the stake.

The comments of some of you are spot on. They are old women, playing priest dress-up and are best ignored. This story is only being printed by the anti-Catholic, MSM to cause angst and to criticize Catholicism.

I have my beef with your church, but we are all Christians and in the words of Ben Franklin, "We must all hang together or surely we will hang separately!"

29 posted on 01/23/2010 6:17:49 AM PST by Redleg Duke
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To: cubreporter

See post #17. I really don’t think the Church will cave. These radical nuns are becoming outdated and obsolete. Young nuns are joining the more traditional orders.


30 posted on 01/23/2010 6:19:19 AM PST by Elvina (BHO is doubleplus ungood.)
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To: Sacajaweau
It's not just a bad example...it's purely immature or maybe they have gender issues. If they have spent any time really involved in the Church ...they know who really runs it.

If that's all their is to you faith... getting up in front of the congregation in some robes and being seen....why bother with the rest? You are just conceited and shallow. Get yourself on American idol if that's what you need.

My personal take...half these people are a farse propagated by the same old commies that have infiltrated the women's movement and are trying to destroy the family and all Churches.

31 posted on 01/23/2010 6:21:32 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: NYer
Women call themselves Catholic priests with same credibility that they could call themselves NASA astronauts.
32 posted on 01/23/2010 6:22:31 AM PST by SampleMan (No one should die on a gov. waiting list., or go broke because the gov. has dictated their salary.)
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To: Elvina

I’ll believe it when I see it but...I hope you are right.


33 posted on 01/23/2010 6:24:39 AM PST by cubreporter (Scott Brown turned it all around. The people CAN and DID make a difference!!!)
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To: NYer
"We love the faith. We love the spirituality. That's why we remain Catholic. We are holding disobedience to an unjust law that discriminates against women."

In a spiritual sense, this is similar to a transvestite protesting his inability to bear children by making a statement of "We love the feelings. We love the physicality. That's why we remain grouped with the universal group of righteous humans. We are holding disobedience to an unjust law than discriminates against men."

There are some gifts of God the Holy Spirit which are provided only to men and some only to women, just as there are physical gifts given only to men and only to women.

Those who protest the obvious differences, are simply holding a frame of mind which places their judgment above what God provides.

I suspect others are correct in making the analogy between homosexuals attempting to infiltrate the Church hierarchy in a similar fashion.

FWIW, my first impression from their quoted statements and how they first "placed in their false office" is that they seem closer to a coven of witches, than simply degenerate believers.

34 posted on 01/23/2010 6:25:25 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: NYer

It’s way too early on a Saturday morning for this.


35 posted on 01/23/2010 6:32:08 AM PST by Desdemona (These are the times that try men's souls. - Remember Christmas 1776)
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To: Desdemona
"It’s way too early on a Saturday morning for this."

Not for me...let me at 'em. I've had it with these bullies. I'm tired of being pushed around and told what to do by other women.

If you think they are just some sweet little misguided sheep...think again. It's a war out there for Christian women and the men are backed into a corner with PC laws.

36 posted on 01/23/2010 6:39:58 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: NYer
Meehan, 62

I wonder what age the rest of them are. Even here, where life is and has always been relatively traditional, there's an age range that's approaching retirement - clergy, religious (what few there are of them in that age bracket), and laity - that spouts the goofball stuff and Meehan's age puts her in that group.

Hold the course people. This too shall pass. There can't be that many people out there that are following the "woman priest" movement or they couldn't do the play Mass in a living room.

37 posted on 01/23/2010 6:41:35 AM PST by Desdemona (These are the times that try men's souls. - Remember Christmas 1776)
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To: Redleg Duke

I must disagree with your second point. Personally, I would very much like it if the Catholic errors of the MIddle Ages hadn’t happened, so there wouldn’t have been good reasons for the Reformation. Think of how much strife and sin would have been avoided in such circumstances. I think most Catholics are now like me in wanting to see reconciliation of Protestants to what we view as the one true Church, but we aren’t prepared to compromise the underlying tenets of our faith in order to see it happen.


38 posted on 01/23/2010 6:44:12 AM PST by McGarrett (Book'em Danno)
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To: Earthdweller
I'm tired of being pushed around and told what to do by other women.

Don't worry about them and don't. The fights I've had with other women just over hair length get old.

If you think they are just some sweet little misguided sheep...think again.

No, but if you look at their ages, at 62, the first woman quoted is one of the younger ones. The next generation didn't pick up the mantle and they're looking for girls to carry on what they've started. Sort of like the doctors who make their living killing the unborn. They're getting old and their movement is going to die with them if they don't recruit successors. From my generation, I doubt they get too many. More and more the women my age just walk away if they're thwarted.

39 posted on 01/23/2010 6:48:35 AM PST by Desdemona (These are the times that try men's souls. - Remember Christmas 1776)
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To: Desdemona
"More and more the women my age just walk away if they're thwarted.

I wish it was that easy for me. I must be on the front lines. I don't just walk away. These young girls are so uniformed and brainwashed. We have a new generation of bullies who "get in your face" just like they were told to do. Have you seen the pics they put up on the net? There is no more time for walking away.

40 posted on 01/23/2010 6:54:59 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: Earthdweller
I don't just walk away. These young girls are so uniformed and brainwashed. We have a new generation of bullies who "get in your face" just like they were told to do. Have you seen the pics they put up on the net?

Aside from hearing about lewdness, no. In my neck of the woods, younger girls are more into the modesty movement and even in high school would complain about the brainwashing that the sisters were trying to pull. This might well be a matter of experiences in different places.

41 posted on 01/23/2010 7:13:32 AM PST by Desdemona (These are the times that try men's souls. - Remember Christmas 1776)
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To: Desdemona
Well how about you tell me where to move to to get away from it? I'm ready..my bags are packed. LOL.

Problem is...that's what we have always done...retreated.

That said, I think I'm ready for the easy life...let someone else fight on the front lines...in the fields. It's getting lonely out here and I'm getting tired. Most of the women I know just run from the tough spots. I've been to places that most Church going women could never imagine. I think it's a shame. Not saying that is your case.

The truth is, I was lead to do what I've done....at times it feels like a push or a shove. I wish I had an easier cup right now....you have no idea. Where did you say you are located again? :)

42 posted on 01/23/2010 7:24:33 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: Sacajaweau
When I was a kid, we played church and priest...the whole bit.....thanks to NECCO wafers!!

Being a convert, this is something I missed out on as a child. I've heard some of my Cradle Catholic friends talk about playing "Mass and Priest" with the help of NECCO.

43 posted on 01/23/2010 7:28:26 AM PST by sockmonkey
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To: Elvina
Young nuns are joining the more traditional orders.

Not only that, those young nuns are opening new foundations, and giving life to convents that were lacking in numbers. I think the pendulum has/is swinging the other direction.

44 posted on 01/23/2010 7:33:12 AM PST by sockmonkey
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To: Desdemona

You wrote:

“The fights I’ve had with other women just over hair length get old.”

Hair length? Somebody actually gave you guff over the length of your hair? Sheesh!


45 posted on 01/23/2010 7:35:46 AM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: cubreporter

Why is that? If you think everyone else will cave and give up like you did you’re quite mistaken.


46 posted on 01/23/2010 7:37:40 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: cubreporter

One of our own Freeperettes, in her twenties, joined a habited traditional order a few years ago. She wrote a beautiful opus just before she joined. I think and pray for her often.


47 posted on 01/23/2010 7:38:37 AM PST by sockmonkey
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To: Redleg Duke
Second, I imagine that some of you Roman Catholics think fondly about the good old days, before Martin Luther, when you could deal decisively with heretics such as these by burning them a the stake.

Right. Post Luther protestants never did anything like that.

48 posted on 01/23/2010 7:40:24 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: vladimir998
"Hair length? Somebody actually gave you guff over the length of your hair? Sheesh! "

The list of "cannot" is so long it would take all day.

49 posted on 01/23/2010 7:44:05 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: Redleg Duke
Second, I imagine that some of you Roman Catholics think fondly about the good old days, before Martin Luther, when you could deal decisively with heretics such as these by burning them a the stake.

That's pretty weak, a drive-by slander, suitably imprecise so as to apply to everyone, wrapped in a nice candy-coated shell.

50 posted on 01/23/2010 7:49:06 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (One good thing about music, when it hits you feel no pain.)
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