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Who is the Being of Light Encountered in Near-Death Experiences?
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Posted on 01/30/2010 3:45:12 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege

..."For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light..."

One of the most common characteristics of the so-called near-death experience is encountering a being of light. This being is said to emanate love and warmth.

It has been claimed by numerous (not all) individuals who have had alleged near-death experiences that the being of light they encountered was none other than Jesus Christ. As appealing as the idea may initially sound, this identification seems to be flawed in view of the fact that the so-called being of light typically says and does things contrary to the Christ of the Bible. Since Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever (Hebrews 13:8), it would be impossible that these are one and the same Jesus. I believe that many of the individuals who go through near-death experiences actually encounter a counterfeit Christ.

The “Jesus” (being of light) typically encountered in near-death experiences teaches such things as:

* Death is good and is not to be feared.

* Sin is not a problem. In fact, this “Jesus” often responds to human sin and shortcomings with humor.

* There is no hell to worry about.

* All people are welcome to heaven, regardless of whether one has placed faith in Christ.

* All religions are equally valid.

In view of the fact that these ideas clearly go against what the biblical Jesus taught, I think we have good reason to conclude that this “Jesus” is in fact a lying spirit.

"You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. -John 8:44 (NKJV)

We must remember that Satan has the ability to appear as an “angel of light” and as a “servant of righteousness.”

And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works. -2 Corinthians 11:14-15 (NKJV)

His goal, of course, is to lead people astray. He is happy to mimic a being of light if the end result is that he can lead people away from the true Christ of Scripture.

Consistent with the above is the fact that many who have had near-death experiences come out of the experience with a lower view of Scripture. One person concluded that "the Lord isn't interested in theology," and another said that God "didn't care about church doctrine at all." The true Christ of Scripture, however, is most certainly interested in correct doctrine.

Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, "If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. -John 8:31-32 (NKJV)

Now, other individuals—particularly individuals affiliated with non-Christian religions—claim that the being of light was Buddha, or Krishna, or some other leader of a particular world religion. Certainly this should raise “red flags” in the minds of Christians. Satan, the great counterfeiter, is seeking to keep people of ALL religions away from the true Christ of the Bible.

For Further Reading For more information on the near-death-experience, see Dr. Ron Rhodes book, Heaven: The Undiscovered Country.


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1 posted on 01/30/2010 3:45:12 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

“Lucifer” means “bearer of light” and was coined back when the only sources of light were fire, which is why Hell is considered a hot place.


2 posted on 01/30/2010 3:49:10 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

This is pretty interesting stuff


3 posted on 01/30/2010 3:51:46 PM PST by chevydude26
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

A hallucination.


4 posted on 01/30/2010 3:56:45 PM PST by GunRunner
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works. -2 Corinthians 11:14-15 (NKJV)

-———————Would this be like Obama ‘claiming’ he’s white?


5 posted on 01/30/2010 4:00:18 PM PST by Freddd
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

It definitely isn’t Obama..


6 posted on 01/30/2010 4:01:14 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Cacique

Obama is the Prince of Semi-Darkness.


7 posted on 01/30/2010 4:08:53 PM PST by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: Southack

Interesting. It always amazes me that people accept anything “super” spiritual as being from God even though it contradicts the Bible. I know a man who says that his mom visited him in a dream and said something to him. He thought he was dreaming until he talked to his dad, who had the same dream. Now they both believe that Jesus sent her back to speak to them. The Bible is clear about after life and this scenario doesn’t fit the Bible’s description.


8 posted on 01/30/2010 4:12:48 PM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

I know a lot of people who claim to have ‘visitations’ by dead ancestors, most of whom want certain rituals performed for them here on earth (LDS temple rites).

Even when I was LDS, I was leery that these were from God.


9 posted on 01/30/2010 4:15:23 PM PST by reaganaut (It's futile to talk facts to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Going into a bright light, or seeing a vision of hell doesn't really matter since I haven't heard of one single person who has had a near death experience that wasn't changed "for the better". It's as tho they have been given a second chance.

You think Satan wants people to clean up their acts? Nope.

10 posted on 01/30/2010 4:21:30 PM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife (11/02/10)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

“The “Jesus” (being of light) typically encountered in near-death experiences teaches such things as:

* Death is good and is not to be feared.

* Sin is not a problem. In fact, this “Jesus” often responds to human sin and shortcomings with humor.

* There is no hell to worry about.

* All people are welcome to heaven, regardless of whether one has placed faith in Christ.

* All religions are equally valid.”

I have read a LOT of near death experience accounts and many of them do include hell, and “Jesus” showing them hell and admonishing them that such a fate awaits those who are evil and wicked. Do a search of “hellish near death experiences” and that will give you a sample. In this context then, the idea that sin is no problem would not fit either. There is an enormous number of NDE accounts, and one needs to read many of them to get an idea of how varied they are, and how incredibly detailed and extensive some are. I have seen statistics that say up to 40% are hellish but they are simply not talked about much......for obvious reasons.


11 posted on 01/30/2010 4:22:24 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Jail Al Gore and the Climate Frauds!)
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To: spectre

Satan doesn’t care how good a person you are if he can make you believe that what the Bible says about sin and our need for a Savior isn’t true.


12 posted on 01/30/2010 4:27:26 PM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I didn’t realize this was in the religion forum since it is a contoversial subject. I am not sure about the religion forum rules about debate.


13 posted on 01/30/2010 4:28:32 PM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
"Who is the Being of Light Encountered in Near-Death Experiences?"

Anoxia, a.k.a. brain fade

14 posted on 01/30/2010 4:29:54 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Obama: The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

And maybe Ron Rhodes is Satan.


15 posted on 01/30/2010 4:40:36 PM PST by Kirkwood (Crunk the Colts!)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

Have at it, just don’t make it personal as far as any FReeper to whom you’re responding, and you’ll get no demerits, lol.

Myself, I’ve been comforted by the notion that my own loved ones who have passed on, have experienced warmth and love in the process. If it’s an hallucination due to hypoxia, whatever, it’s a kindness, imho, and one with no materialist explanation.


16 posted on 01/30/2010 4:49:32 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: muir_redwoods

“Anoxia, a.k.a. brain fade”

WRONG!

I know two people who’ve experienced it. One actually saw the doctors working to save her. They both were shy to talk about it, because they feared people would react like you did.


17 posted on 01/30/2010 4:50:17 PM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY (It's the spending, Stupid!)
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To: beethovenfan

Too funny!


18 posted on 01/30/2010 4:50:32 PM PST by Bluebeard16
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Our God is Love, and is not willing that anyone should perish. His wrath is focused on those who were presented with his final offer and rejected it. I've heard preachers say that the lake of fire is reserved for the devil and his angels, who were in active rebellion against Christ, not for everyone who was simply ignorant. Can anyone disprove that from scripture?

There are numerous reports of hellish and frightening near-death experiences. The positive experiences do not seem to stress an opposition or indifference to the Christian gospel, as far as I have heard.

19 posted on 01/30/2010 5:02:11 PM PST by hellbender
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To: muir_redwoods

“Anoxia, a.k.a. brain fade”

Sounds like a “scientific explanation.” Only problem with this kind of “scientific” explanation is that it has no supporting data—it’s not even a hypothesis based on informal observation or experience. Not even an educated guess. Just a blind guess.


20 posted on 01/30/2010 5:06:51 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Hey you noble leftists. If what you are doing is worth anything, it should be worth saying out loud.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

So the children who have seen the “being of light” are meeting Satan? Is that your theory?

I don’t buy it.


21 posted on 01/30/2010 5:06:57 PM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: muir_redwoods

+1


22 posted on 01/30/2010 5:15:01 PM PST by stormer
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Carlos Castaneda had an interesting take on this.

He described this “thing” as just that, a thing, not God or a demon, that is sometimes encountered by ordinary people in conditions of severe stress, when their awareness has been knocked askew from their normal perceptions. People can also perceive it as an accomplishment, after a lot of training as well, in a much more systematic process.

However, he notes, people invariably interpret this thing as either Jesus or God, or as their deity, and male if they are male, or female if they are female. They also imagine it to be full of warmth and love and kindness, etc., even imagining other people praying to it.

But the truth is that it is none of that. Castaneda calls it “the mold of man”, like a mold that stamps out plastic toys. Specifically, it is the mold, or pattern, used by the human species to ensure energetic pattern conformity, so that human offspring are energetically like their parents. All other species of life have their own molds, which they use for the same purpose.

Yet this purely utilitarian function is missed by those that perceive it, who pray to it, shamelessly ask for favors, and think and brag for the rest of their lives that they have seen God, once they come back to normal awareness. Or doubt themselves and think they were fooled by a demon.

Castaneda concludes that some people get to see the mold more than once, and soon snap out of their illusion that the mold is anything special. It isn’t even self-aware. It is just a thing.

An interesting take on things, whether or not you like Castaneda.


23 posted on 01/30/2010 5:19:19 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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24 posted on 01/30/2010 5:24:04 PM PST by stormer
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Not exactly Biblical, but still my favorite “Twilight Zone”

An old man and his dog were walking down this dirt
road with fences on both sides, they came to a gate
in the fence and looked in, it was nice - grassy,
woody areas, just what a ‘huntin’ dog and man would like, but, it had a sign saying ‘no trespassing’ so they walked on.

They came to a beautiful gate with a person in white robes standing there. “Welcome to Heaven”
he said. The old man was happy and started in with his dog following him.

The gatekeeper stopped him. “Dogs aren’t allowed,
I’m sorry but he can’t come with you.” “What
kind of Heaven won’t allow dogs? If He can’t come in, then I will stay out with him. He’s been my faithful
companion all his life, I can’t desert him now.
“ “Suit yourself, but I have to warn you,
the Devil’s on this road and he’ll try to sweet talk you into his area, he’ll promise you anything, but, the dog can’t go there either. If you won’t leave the dog, you’ll spend Eternity on this road “ So the old man and dog went on.

They came to a rundown fence with a gap in it, no gate, just a hole. Another old man was inside. “Scuse me Sir, my dog and I are getting mighty tired, mind if we come in and sit in the shade for awhile?” “Of course, there’s some cold water under that tree over there. Make yourselves comfortable “ “You’re sure my dog can come in? The man down the road said dogs weren’t allowed anywhere.” “Would you come in if you had to leave the dog?” “ No sir, that’s why I didn’t go to Heaven, he said the dog couldn’t come in. We’ll be spending Eternity on this road, and a glass of cold water and some
shade would be mighty fine right about now. But, I won’t come in if my buddy here can’t come too, and that’s final. “

The man smiled a big smile and said “Welcome to Heaven.” “You mean this is Heaven? Dogs ARE allowed? How come that fellow down the road said they weren’t?” “That was the Devil and he gets all the people who are willing to give up a life long companion for a comfortable place to stay. They soon find out their mistake, but, then it’s too late. The dogs come here, the fickle people stay there. GOD wouldn’t allow dogs to be banned from Heaven. After all, HE created them to be man’s companions in life, why would he separate them in death?”

Author Earl Hamner
The Twilight Zone


25 posted on 01/30/2010 5:26:35 PM PST by seowulf (Petraeus, cross the Rubicon.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege; beethovenfan

Interesting post and interesting (and humorous, beethovenfan) thread. BTTT.


26 posted on 01/30/2010 5:40:44 PM PST by PGalt
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To: reasonisfaith; ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
Read "Omega Point" by Prof Kenneth Ring and stop indulging in your own "Blind Guessing"
27 posted on 01/30/2010 5:45:06 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Obama: The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy; Robert Spencer; All

Carlos, eh? I haven’t seen him mentioned since my college days except by Robert Spencer. He once at had an interesting commentary about him at jihadwatch a couple of years ago. Singleness of purpose BUMP!

Someday this place reminds me of Alice’s Restaurant. /humor


28 posted on 01/30/2010 5:45:20 PM PST by PGalt
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Who is the Being of Light Encountered in Near-Death Experiences?

You guessed it..

Frank Stallone!

29 posted on 01/30/2010 5:58:13 PM PST by jaz.357 ("If the present tries to sit in judgment on the past, it will lose the future." W.Churchill)
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To: muir_redwoods

I’m not sure why you included me in your post address, ‘cause I’m not the one blind guessing.

BTW, there’s no such book by Ken Ring. Perhaps you meant “Omega PROJECT?”


30 posted on 01/30/2010 6:13:02 PM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY (It's the spending, Stupid!)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

It is an “open thread”. Debate is allowed.

This is from the Religion Mod on Open threads:

http://www.freerepublic.com/~religionmoderator/

Open threads are a town square. Antagonism though not encouraged, should be expected

Posters may argue for or against beliefs of any kind. They may tear down other’s beliefs. They may ridicule.

On all threads, but particularly “open” threads, posters must never “make it personal.” Reading minds and attributing motives are forms of “making it personal.” Making a thread “about” another Freeper is “making it personal.”

When in doubt, review your use of the pronoun “you” before hitting “enter.”

Like the Smoky Backroom, the conversation may be offensive to some.

Thin-skinned posters will be booted from “open” threads because in the town square, they are the disrupters.


31 posted on 01/30/2010 6:22:39 PM PST by reaganaut (It's futile to talk facts to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I had a near death experience once. I didn’t see any light, or any beings of light, I just felt an incredible calm.


32 posted on 01/30/2010 6:30:09 PM PST by real saxophonist (The fact that you play tuba doesn't make you any less lethal. -USMC bandsman in Iraq)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
This whole theory is BS and is an obvious attempt to ridicule the claims of people who have died and come back. There is no such thing as a "near" death experience. You are either dead or you are not. My Uncle had two of them back in 1940 while a Captain of Marines in the Philippines.

Common sense would dictate that good people would not go to hell when dead, and even more common sense would indicate that Satan wouldn't deceive dead people, there would be no need for it.

33 posted on 01/30/2010 7:00:40 PM PST by calex59
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To: reaganaut

It goes back to Enki and Enlil, Enlil off earth and Enki cast down to Earth were brothers at one time working together. Enki created mankind on Enlil’s orders but when mankind started to reproduce on their own and became to large in numbers Enlil ordered them destroyed by the flood but Enki who loved his creations sought to save them by having them build a ark. Hence God and the Devil, Now you decide which is which!


34 posted on 01/30/2010 7:28:19 PM PST by old1 (Seak the Truth and when you find it SCREAM IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS!)
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To: PGalt

He “officially” died in 1998, with the announcement that he had died of liver cancer, which was certified by a doctor who had just arrived from, then returned to, South America, without greeting anyone else. Then his body was said to be privately cremated and the ashes dispersed somewhere.

Then the women he was associated with took off in several directions, and his critics stated that they assumed the women had committed suicide, though there was no confirmation of that. The bones of one woman, who it had been claimed was an extraterrestrial, were found.

As far as his critics were concerned, this proved beyond any doubt that they were all frauds. However, a more objective observation is that they fulfilled everything they had set to do, by the numbers, so just left and will not be heard from again.

Cleargreen Foundation, operated by their collective students, is still in operation and holding public workshops.


35 posted on 01/30/2010 7:45:29 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Near Death Experiences often include an unsparing judgment of one's life as seen by others and as we affect them. In addition, some NDEs are negative and involve an experience of Hell. Both of these aspects seem powerfully corroborative of traditional Christian belief even if some find the potential salvation of non-Christians hard to accept.
36 posted on 01/30/2010 7:49:14 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: old1

A) I am familiar with the Sumerian Creation myths and their similarity to Genesis.

B) They do not reflect my personal belief. So no decision is needed. Mormons believe that Satan and Jehovah (Jesus) are brothers, I do not.

C) WHY did you post this to me in response to my post about the religion forum rules?


37 posted on 01/30/2010 7:50:04 PM PST by reaganaut (It's futile to talk facts to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance)
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To: reaganaut

Interesting.


38 posted on 01/30/2010 7:55:23 PM PST by eyedigress ( now.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

“Specifically, it is the mold, or pattern, used by the human species to ensure energetic pattern conformity, so that human offspring are energetically like their parents”

Sounds like something from a movie on cable.


39 posted on 01/30/2010 8:22:51 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Hey you noble leftists. If what you are doing is worth anything, it should be worth saying out loud.)
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To: muir_redwoods

I meant that it’s a blind guess when you take one set of reported experiences and try to claim they’re explainable in terms of another separate and independent set of experiences, as if not seeing the facts which make the two sets distinct.


40 posted on 01/30/2010 8:34:24 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Hey you noble leftists. If what you are doing is worth anything, it should be worth saying out loud.)
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To: reasonisfaith

The experiences are not so separate and distinct as you represent. To put it briefly, when the body is near death, the things seen and reported are most likely due to the dying of the body and brain. When I hear hoof beats, I expect horses, not zebras. When the brain is dying the perceptions experienced by that brain are due to that organ shutting down. The thing that is shutting it down is anoxia. People who have survived strangulation report pretty similar near death experiences.


41 posted on 01/30/2010 9:05:13 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Obama: The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers)
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To: All

The “light” is the brain reacting to lack of oxygen


42 posted on 01/30/2010 9:11:16 PM PST by sonic109 (and...what are we going to do about it ? NOTHING ?..so shut up and take it !)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I started reading the bible after a NDE.


43 posted on 01/30/2010 9:13:19 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: muir_redwoods

Horses? Maybe that’s because you live in Texas and not Tanzania.

Your points only begin to make sense within a context of materialism. That is, only if you start with the premise that material existence is all there is. I can’t accept the premise.

And even if we do accept it, we are in deeper trouble still because of the fact that many who experience these NDEs have been able to describe events during their arrest to which they had no access through material sense perception.


44 posted on 01/30/2010 9:38:45 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Hey you noble leftists. If what you are doing is worth anything, it should be worth saying out loud.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Create a controversy sell a book the bigger the controversy the more books sold. I looked at his web site. I'm not impressed. The body returns to dust but the Spitir goes to be with the LORD when we die. I believe many are seeing what they are seeing. Some see heaven some see the horror of hell approaching them. What is the fruits of those who come back? Many times their faith is much stronger and those seeing hell seek their salvation. That means more people hear The Gospel. Kinda counter productive for the devil I'd say.
45 posted on 01/30/2010 9:42:35 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: reasonisfaith
The horses are a reference to the logician, William of Occam and it's known as Occam's Razor. The logic is that the explanation that stains credulity the least and requires the fewest special circumstances is the most probable.

It is simply too obvious that as a brain dies (or nearly does)images of an unreliable nature might appear to it.

Reports related to NDE's are about as common and reliable as those related to UFO's; they grow with the telling.

46 posted on 01/31/2010 4:31:20 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Obama: The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers)
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To: reasonisfaith

It kind of makes sense from the point of view of Oriental medicine, which tracks the flow of different kinds of energy around the body, to and from storage nodes that act like capacitors. They also note similar systems in animals, for both diagnosis and treatment, but that each species has a different configuration.

So, for example, acupuncture works on horses and dogs as well as people, but the lines of flow and the storage nodes are different in some ways.

As far as perception goes, most people who have seen this thing are aware that it is not a physical object they are looking at. It might be more along the lines of a template, or internal blueprint. Like imagining what your skeleton is supposed to look like. You are not looking at your physical skeleton, but an idealized version of what your skeleton should look like—a transparent overlay in your head that appears to be outside of yourself.


47 posted on 01/31/2010 5:47:14 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: muir_redwoods

What do you think about people who are dying, seeing and talking with their dead relatives and talking about wanting to go home. Do you think that is explained by anoxia?


48 posted on 01/31/2010 7:45:26 AM PST by Lil Flower ("Without Love, deeds, even the most brilliant, count as nothing." St. Therese of Lisieux)
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To: Lil Flower

yes


49 posted on 01/31/2010 7:51:58 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Obama: The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers)
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To: muir_redwoods

Well I will respectfully disagree. As a hospice nurse, I have been present at many deaths. And while each death is different because, each person is different, there are certain things that ALWAYS happen. One, they all speak with relatives that have passed on. If that were strictly explained by anoxia, then their would be confusion as well. These pts are not confused, because they don’t confuse dead relatives/friends with those that are still living. Second, they all speak of “going home”You can’t explain that simply from anoxia.


50 posted on 01/31/2010 8:01:02 AM PST by Lil Flower ("Without Love, deeds, even the most brilliant, count as nothing." St. Therese of Lisieux)
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