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To: muir_redwoods

Well I will respectfully disagree. As a hospice nurse, I have been present at many deaths. And while each death is different because, each person is different, there are certain things that ALWAYS happen. One, they all speak with relatives that have passed on. If that were strictly explained by anoxia, then their would be confusion as well. These pts are not confused, because they don’t confuse dead relatives/friends with those that are still living. Second, they all speak of “going home”You can’t explain that simply from anoxia.


50 posted on 01/31/2010 8:01:02 AM PST by Lil Flower ("Without Love, deeds, even the most brilliant, count as nothing." St. Therese of Lisieux)
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The good news is that a bright light means the British are not in charge of the afterlife.


51 posted on 01/31/2010 8:07:56 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: Lil Flower
"You can’t explain that simply from anoxia."

Certainly I can and do. The difference between NDA reports and UFO reports is like the difference between religion and superstition; everyone thinks there is a qualitative difference but no one can quite define it.

As the brain fades it becomes less reliable. The fact that it seeks comfort in happy thoughts is not too surprising to me.

BTW the uniformity of the reports is just like the uniformity of reports regarding alien abduction. They concur with each other down to tiny details but this does not make them believable.

53 posted on 01/31/2010 11:52:28 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Obama: The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers)
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To: Lil Flower
Both my wife {a medically retired CNA} and myself {maintenance mech} both worked in nursing homes. When a patient no matter how healthy they looked and seemed told you I won't be here tomorrow I'm going home it didn't mean to their previous residence or with a relative.Exception of course was a scheduled release. It meant they knew they were going to die before the next morning.

My wife had a NDE while she was with me. She had a spinal infarction C-5/C-6 while we were on a date before we married. She collapsed in a mall and I carried her to her car a cop pulled up and said what hospital and off we went. She was describing bright but pink lights {day time mid afternoon} and the peace that was upon her. When we got to the ER she was stable and pulled through but had a six month stay there and rehab.

Like you she sat with many who were making their crossing. Some was good some wasn't. The patients were very well aware of what was happening to them and what they were seeing and describing to her. Before this happened to her she had also experienced a dream {while sleeping} of seeing Christ but not His face. He was reaching out His hand to her. She woke up as her alarm clock went off.

Now for the other side of the coin. She went into Serotonin Syndrome over a medication reaction about 9 years ago. Folks when someones brain chemistry is messed up they aren't going to make too much sense. They may talk about things in their life but trying to have a lucid conversation? Forget it. That is why I dismiss the notion NDE is cause by the brain dying. The conversations are too well organized and the persons are too well aware of what is going on.

We are physical beings but we are spiritual beings as well. Our bodies die but our spirit lives on just as every bit as much as it does right now. It is every bit well aware of what is going on. There is a passage in the Bible where Stephen is fixing to be stoned and looks up. What does he see?

I also know of persons very much alive of whom the Lord makes His presence known to them through Spirit revelation. I do wonder if the writer would have us dismiss that as well? I think that is what NDE's actually are. They are not of the physical body but the spirit body. There is a term in the Bible of dismissing ones spirit before death. You don't hear it talked about too much in these times. I just don't see any evidence as NDE's being demonic. Rather it would seem more like an orderly transition into the next life.

56 posted on 01/31/2010 5:18:17 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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