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Event explores topic of women as ordained Catholic priests
Sacramento Bee ^ | 2/1/10 | Jennifer Garza

Posted on 02/01/2010 12:31:29 PM PST by SmithL

To parishioners in her small Sacramento congregation, Elizabeth English is their Catholic priest: She presides over their Sunday Mass, leads them during Communion and baptizes their babies.

To the Roman Catholic Church, English symbolizes a topic that church leaders consider closed: the ordination of women priests.

English left the Roman Catholic Church five years ago to pursue her calling to the priesthood. She is now a priest in the Independent Catholic Church, a group not recognized by the Vatican. She is the only female Catholic priest in the Sacramento region.

"I had to leave the church; there was no place for me," she said. "I wish there was."

Last week, English joined a Nobel Peace Prize nominee who is also a priest and about 150 others at St. Mark's Methodist Church in Sacramento to discuss the ordination of women priests.

They called on the church to consider women clergy, saying they are necessary for a vibrant and healthy church that needs the "experience, courage and compassion" of women in the priesthood.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: heretics; womenpriests

Elizabeth English presides over Mass at the Good Shepherd Independent Catholic Church in Sacramento on Sunday. She performs all the traditional duties of a Roman Catholic Church priest, but the Vatican does not recognize women in that role.
1 posted on 02/01/2010 12:31:29 PM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

***She is the only female Catholic priest in the Sacramento region.***

She is not a Catholic priest. She’s not even Catholic.


2 posted on 02/01/2010 12:34:57 PM PST by GrannyAnn
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To: SmithL
but the Vatican does not recognize women in that role.

I think that maybe it's a much higher authority than "The Vatican" that does not recognize women in that role.

3 posted on 02/01/2010 12:36:08 PM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: GrannyAnn

The ignorance of the press is disguisting. The witch was automatically ex-communicated when she went through the sham ordination. She can go through the motion of performing the sacraments but they are just as valid as if I dressed up as a priest for Halloween.


4 posted on 02/01/2010 12:38:18 PM PST by C19fan
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To: SmithL; All

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5 posted on 02/01/2010 12:39:13 PM PST by paterfamilias
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To: SmithL

Theology aside, how can anyone take these people seriously when they can’t even bear to call themselves the proper term? If such a thing existed in the Church, female clergy would be called “priestesses”. There’s no such thing as “man priestesses” or “woman priests”, just priests and priestesses.

Freegards


6 posted on 02/01/2010 12:39:29 PM PST by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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To: Ransomed

There was a place for her. But not enough room for her ego.


7 posted on 02/01/2010 12:41:37 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: SmithL

She left the Catholic Church. Therefore she is NOT A CATHOLIC. Why is it so hard to understand. May God have mercy on her for leading souls astray.


8 posted on 02/01/2010 12:43:37 PM PST by mom-7
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To: C19fan
She can go through the motion of performing the sacraments but they are just as valid as if I dressed up as a priest for Halloween.
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No offense, but considering the high number of sex offenders in the Catholic Church, I almost positive that their performance of the sacraments are just as valid as hers.

Funny how the very same people against “women as priests” in the church have no or very little issues with the overwhelming number of homosexual men and various sex offenders.

What a GREAT WORLD we live in, eh?

9 posted on 02/01/2010 12:44:15 PM PST by purpleporter
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To: SmithL
To parishioners in her small Sacramento congregation, Elizabeth English is their Catholic priest.

She may be their "priest" but she's not a Catholic priest.and if her "parishioners" think that she's Catholic then *they're* not Catholic.

10 posted on 02/01/2010 12:45:49 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: purpleporter

The sexual offenders were not Catholics, either.

I am a Protestant. But I don’t blame Catholics for having pedophiles around. They are a huge group of people.

If someone from Home Depot molested a kid, I wouldn’t blame Home Depot, either.


11 posted on 02/01/2010 12:49:21 PM PST by Persevero
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To: SmithL; Salvation; NYer; ArrogantBustard

This dame and her friends exploring
the topic of “women as ordained Catholic priests”

is analagous to

Al Gore and his friends exploring
the topic of “global warming”.


12 posted on 02/01/2010 12:49:25 PM PST by Notwithstanding (Wer glaubt ist nie allein. Who believes is never alone.)
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To: purpleporter

A priest can be the worst person in the world but if that priest has a valid ordination and has not been kicked out from a Catholic viewpoint the sacraments are valid. This controversy goes back to the 4th century. The CC teaching on this goes back St. Augustine.


13 posted on 02/01/2010 12:51:14 PM PST by C19fan
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To: purpleporter

“Funny how the very same people against “women as priests” in the church have no or very little issues with the overwhelming number of homosexual men and various sex offenders.”

You have got to be kidding. Liberal Catholics would LOVE to have BOTH priestesses and homosexualist clergy in open “relationships”!! The conservative Catholics are the ones against BOTH of those things.

Freegards


14 posted on 02/01/2010 12:51:24 PM PST by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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To: massgopguy

There was no place for her as clergy. It’s a shame she left because of that, but from that photo it doesn’t look like the place is thriving or full of young folks who might not know any better...

Freegards


15 posted on 02/01/2010 12:55:06 PM PST by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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To: SmithL

Heretic


16 posted on 02/01/2010 12:56:47 PM PST by wolfman23601
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To: Persevero
It was not just someone from the Catholic Church, there are literally HUNDREDS of priests that sexually abused children. If HOME DEPOT had HUNDREDS of sexual abusers, I guarantee you it would and should cause an uproar.
17 posted on 02/01/2010 1:08:24 PM PST by purpleporter
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To: C19fan

You see as an ex-Catholic, this argument about their sacraments being valid just doesn’t ring true. How can they be valid if they are coming from a sinful vessel?

And please don’t tell me that old, “if you are thirsty in the desert and the only water you can drink comes from a rusted pipe, would you drink it” analogy.

That analogy throws out all other “good” priests and all other religions as well.

St. Augustine? Of course he is the guy who did whatever he wanted, with whom he wanted and later “apologized” after he saw the emptiness of his actions. He also was a big misogynist. So no wonder, the man believed that way.


18 posted on 02/01/2010 1:17:18 PM PST by purpleporter
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To: purpleporter

You have the right to your opinion. At least you are honest and followed your conscience and left the CC. This heretic “priestess” wants it both ways.


19 posted on 02/01/2010 1:21:40 PM PST by C19fan
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To: Ransomed
You know you do have a point with the Liberal Catholics. All I am saying is that there is a great number of homosexual men in the Church and they just seem to get the SILENT treatment from the masses.

I think I know why. Maybe it is because the Church WOULD LOSE at least half of their priests and would be in severe shortage for the masses.

I just think if the Church has no problem accepting Homosexual men, why not women??

I would think women would be focused on word of God just as much as a Homosexual man if not more so.

20 posted on 02/01/2010 1:24:34 PM PST by purpleporter
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To: SmithL
It's nice to have your own religion.
21 posted on 02/01/2010 2:01:39 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: purpleporter

You wrote:

“How can they be valid if they are coming from a sinful vessel?”

What you’re expressing is a heresy called Donatism. The sacraments work because they come from Christ through the Church. He is always sinless. So is the Church. Fr. Whatshisname standing in front of you might not be holy. That doesn’t effect Christ or what He gave to the Church.


22 posted on 02/01/2010 2:21:38 PM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: SmithL

Media needs to buy a clue...they ain’t Catholic ..much less “Catholic Priests”...regardless of what they may call themselves...

.but I guess they think that if they can get away with “Bammy calling himself an American ...it does’nt matter.


23 posted on 02/01/2010 2:24:27 PM PST by mo
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24 posted on 02/01/2010 3:11:15 PM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: purpleporter

Percentage-wise, are there more Catholic child molesters than in the general population?

I think not.

I am NOT saying it is ok. I am just saying I don’t think Catholic or non-Catholic has anything to do with it. Beyond the idea that a perv might think a priestly position might be a good “cover.” But that isn’t the Catholic church’s fault.

If the doctrine or teaching of the Catholic church advocated child molestation, I’d be 100% against them. Which is similar to why I am 100% against Muslims. They teach it, officially, and they officially teach jihad as well.


25 posted on 02/01/2010 3:37:22 PM PST by Persevero
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To: SmithL; monkapotamus

She look like young boy than woman LOL!


26 posted on 02/01/2010 3:40:11 PM PST by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: SmithL
Elizabeth English presides over Mass at the Good Shepherd Independent Catholic Church in Sacramento on Sunday. She performs all the traditional duties of a Roman Catholic Church priest, but the Vatican does not recognize women in that role.

Let's see if we can make this little blurb a bit more accurate:

Elizabeth English play-acts the Mass at the Make-Believe Church of the Tax Deduction in Sacramento on Sunday. She plagarizes all the traditional words and gestures of a Roman Catholic priest, despite the unerring truth taught by the Church since the time of Christ, that it does not recognize women in that role. May God have mercy on the souls of those who follow her.

27 posted on 02/01/2010 3:48:46 PM PST by workerbee (Yes, I hate Obama because of his color: RED!)
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To: purpleporter

I think since Pope Benedict has come on the scene the seminaries have been instructed to not admit homosexualists, as they are intrinsically disordered.

“I just think if the Church has no problem accepting Homosexual men, why not women??”

Apart from theological reasons, conservatives should be glad that women aren’t accepted as priestesses because ALL the Catholic women who want to become priestesses are flaming liberal whack jobs who dig baby butchery and think “gay marriage” is spiffy. The clergy as is definitely leans left, and the homosexualist clergy no doubt leans farther, but not consistently as far left as the women who want to become priestesses.

Freegards


28 posted on 02/01/2010 4:00:25 PM PST by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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To: SmithL

I’m sorry but she is not a Priest and I’d go as far as to say this is not a Catholic church. There is no such thing as an “Independant Catholic church”.


29 posted on 02/01/2010 4:32:25 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: purpleporter

There are not a “high number of sex offenders in the Catholic Church”. What a mindless comment.


30 posted on 02/01/2010 4:35:52 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: SmithL
To parishioners in her small Sacramento congregation, Elizabeth English is their Catholic priest: She presides over their Sunday Mass, leads them during Communion and baptizes their babies.

Too bad these 'parishoners' are delusional. They don't have a 'female priest'. They have an imposter, and any 'sacraments' she purports to celebrate are invalid, as is any 'eucharist'.

31 posted on 02/01/2010 4:57:45 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: SmithL
What a waste of her life, to be a defiant, disrespectful woman.

If one wants to see the most beautiful, respectful (and I repeat, respectful) mass, witness a Tridentine Mass. We have been going since the beginning of the year. This particular church also has Novus Ordo Masses with rubrics from the Tridentine in place which is extraordinary (and easier to follow) as well. If you attend a respectful mass for Jesus, you never, ever, want to go back to a sloppy, woman/girl/Eucharistic minister-aided, communion-in-the-hand, inappropriately music fed mass. There are no "interruptions" to the mass either. No bringing up of the collection, no hand shaking. And at the end of the mass, interestingly, only a few people actually leave. Most go back to kneeling or sitting down in the pew, walking around and looking at the statues, taking some pictures, etc. You also have the option at this church to go to confession all during the mass, or afterwards as well.

Jesus, is, of course, Jesus, no matter where He is consecrated, but if you want to be taken away to a different place, so to speak, take in a Tridentine. Mass is supposed to be an occasion to show the highest respect to Our Lord Jesus Christ. And the Tridentine will not disappoint in that regard.

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32 posted on 02/01/2010 5:10:51 PM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: purpleporter
Your annoyance is about 20 years out of date.

There was a dreadful period in the American church when the "lavender mob" controlled quite a few seminaries. I fault the Vatican for failing to come down like the doom of God on those guys, but there are reasons (not excuses but reasons) why they were reluctant to move.

1. There's a long tradition in the U.S. of screaming loud and long about 'interference' from Rome. It dovetails with the strong anti-Catholic political tradition here that goes back to the Know-Nothings and even earlier. It made Rome reluctant to take strong action for fear of causing problems.

2. JPII looked at the problem from the point of view of an orthodox, conservative anti-Communist Pole. For years, the Polish Communist Party used false accusations of homosexual misconduct in order to get rid of priests they didn't like and keep the Church in Poland off balance. When the parties concerned loudly proclaimed their innocence, he took them at their word. A mistake, but understandable.

3. The liberal mindset (aside from 'celebrating gay pride') has always been that child molesters and ephebophiles can be 'cured'. The same liberal bishops who embraced all sorts of heretical nonsense believed the assurances from psychiatrists and psychologists ('the experts') that homosexuals could be 'cured' of trolling for adolescent boys. If the bishops had listened to the actual teaching of the Church (which has consistently taught that homosexuals should not be ordained because of the temptations that seminary life and the priesthood cast in their way) instead of the 'experts', there would have been a stronger response to this. Again, wrong but given the climate understandable.

The number of homosexual priests was still nothing like half, even in the worst period.

And in the later years of JPII the Church began a concerted effort to clean those guys out. They went so far as to hire an independent auditor to monitor their efforts, and the vast majority of dioceses are getting good reports from the auditor. There are a few problem areas, mostly where heterodox bishops are resisting any "interference" from Rome -- but those guys are reaching retirement age quickly and overall the problem priests are almost all gone now.

I recall the outcry here back in the early 80s when three priests were accused of molesting adolescent boys (that's something less than one percent of all the priests in the diocese). One was sent to prison, one was sent to a remote monastery and died there (the statute of limitation had run so he could not be convicted criminally). I'm not sure what happened to the third ultimately, but he was removed from parish work and any contact with the laity.

I researched this issue VERY carefully before we converted in 2003. We used to be Episcopalians and I didn't want to jump from the frying pan into the fire. I can tell you that I personally witnessed a lot more openly homosexual conduct in the Episcopal Church than I ever have in the Catholic Church. But the news media doesn't talk about THAT, or about what's happening to teenagers in ECUSA. After all, it doesn't fit their agenda . . . .

33 posted on 02/01/2010 5:11:51 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: purpleporter
No offense, but considering the high number of sex offenders in the Catholic Church, I almost positive that their performance of the sacraments are just as valid as hers.
Funny how the very same people against “women as priests” in the church have no or very little issues with the overwhelming number of homosexual men and various sex offenders.

I don't know ANYONE who is against ordaining women as priests, who wasn't also disgusted with the priests who abused children and teenagers.

As for the validity of sacraments celebrated by these offensive priests, the validity of a Sacrament has nothing to do with the state of the soul of the priest celebrating it. If the priest is validly ordained, he is able to celebrate any Sacrament. If the priest's ordination is valid, the only thing that would make a Sacrament invalid, is if there were a problem with the person RECEIVING the Sacrament

34 posted on 02/01/2010 5:12:26 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: purpleporter
considering the high number of sex offenders in the Catholic Church,

The number of perverts masquerading as Priests in the Catholic Church pale in comparison to the number of perverts working in public education. Do you have anything to say about them or these? I doubt it.

35 posted on 02/01/2010 9:03:43 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: purpleporter

The Donatists, against who St. Augustine was struggling, were the equivalent of “Puritans.” They, as a group, were the elect. They refused to accept Roman priests because mamy had been unfaithful during the persecutions. As to the “rusty-pipe<” analogy, one maught ask: HOW rusty? Donatus rejected all those who in HIS estimation were “rusty.” With regard to the unfaithful priests of our time, the only issue would be—in my estimation—were they sinners of unbelievers? There is a difference. Were they struggling or had they gone over to the devil?


36 posted on 02/01/2010 9:38:05 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: SmithL

Elizabeth English, called Mother by her parishioners, came to share her story. “I am a lesbian, a mother and I have a calling to the priesthood,” said English, 60. “The Roman Catholic Church abandoned me.”

Sunday, she gathered around the Communion table with the rest of the congregation as they sang “One Bread, One Body.” In her homily, she spoke about love, breaking barriers and living your destiny.

English said people often asked her why she didn’t become a minister in another faith. She answers the same every time. “I’m Catholic to the bone.”

She has the grand slam of issues here. Priest and homosexual. She is also a mother. Was she married? Is she now divorced?

Is ex-communication far behind?


37 posted on 02/02/2010 11:41:02 AM PST by Not gonna take it anymore (Happily Catholic)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore
Is ex-communication far behind?

Oh, she has already ex-communicated herself. Any formal statement would be superfluous, though it might be useful for those on the outside who might be confused, because of what she calls herself. But since her 'parishoners' call themselves an "Independent Catholic Church", they already KNOW they're outside the faith.

38 posted on 02/02/2010 12:18:52 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

Agreed. There is no such thing as a woman Catholic priest. And there is no such thing as an “independent Catholic church.”

They are something, certainly, but Catholic they are not.


39 posted on 02/02/2010 12:21:48 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: SmithL

You cannot begin a life of obedience by an act of disobedience.


40 posted on 02/02/2010 1:44:25 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Liberals are educated above their level of intelligence.. Thanks Sr. Angelica)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore
English said people often asked her why she didn’t become a minister in another faith.

She did.

41 posted on 02/02/2010 1:52:36 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies
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To: purpleporter

It was not just someone from the Catholic Church, there are literally HUNDREDS of priests that sexually abused children. If HOME DEPOT had HUNDREDS of sexual abusers, I guarantee you it would and should cause an uproar.

nope, doesn’t fly. There are FAR more incidences of protestant clergy, teachers, scout leaders, molesting children than Catholic clergy.....why do you hear so much about the Catholics.....you don’t chase the Lutheran church if a minister goes astray, he represents 1 congregation and they don’t have much money, teachers are representitives of the government and have fair protection, Catholics, however, are “employees of an archdiocese and thus there are deep pockets. No case should have been allowed to proceedwithout the accused being there (no dead priests) and beyond whatever statue of limitations that applied...When these 20 and 30 year cases come out of the woodwork, I’m very suspicious of the motives of the complainant......kind of like the “repressed memory stories”


42 posted on 02/02/2010 9:30:31 PM PST by terycarl (lurking, but interested and informed)
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To: terycarl

imagine that....no replies....what a surprise!!!


43 posted on 02/03/2010 8:22:04 PM PST by terycarl (lurking, but interested and informed)
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