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Marian Visionary Warns 2010 Start of Fatima Chastisement (Catholic Caucus ONLY)
BIN ^ | February 3, 2010 | Rick Obrien

Posted on 02/04/2010 6:51:28 AM PST by NYer

A visionary from the Philippines, Duke Puntalangit,  warns that the Fatima chastisements will begin this year 2010.  According to the visionary, the Middle East crisis will eventually result into an all out war in that region, afterwhich,  a revolution originating from Russia, will engulf Europe.  This series of events will cause chaos and bloodshed in all major cities in Europe, the global economy will plunge deeper, consequently giving the window of opportunity for Russia and China to execute militarily against Europe and the US.  

Puntalangit warns that mankind has entered a point of no return and that the chastisements are now non-conditional.  He however emphasis that the Virgin Mary's prophesied victory will definitely happen but will be realized only after the annihilation of several nations and the election of a new pope  who will accomplished the request of the Virgin Mary for the consecration of Russia to Her Immaculate Heart.

The visionary gives the following which he said are the immediate signs prior to an unexpected revolution in Europe which will usher in World War III:

1. A papal visit to Russia.

2. The signing of an aggreement, military in nature, between US and Russia.

The above events, Puntalangit states, are the immediate signs of the looming human catastrophe.  In addition to the above, Mr. Puntalangit advices everyone to focus on current events directly associated with the Catholic Church, the Middle East, and US-Russia arms negotiations, as awareness of these may help the faithful to become vigilant and prayerful.  The visionary further warned that only one-third of mankind will survive the war and out of this one-third only one-fourth will survive the three days of darkness which will occur a few years after the World War.  Hence, he claims, we can expect only five hundred million will be alive to witness the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.


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1 posted on 02/04/2010 6:51:28 AM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...

DISCERNMENT ONLY


2 posted on 02/04/2010 6:52:00 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer

I am uncomfortable with this man named a “visionary.” Does his local bishop give him any cred? (He does get brownie points for using a near hard date, so we can test his statement).


3 posted on 02/04/2010 6:54:58 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Dr. Sivana

I give him props for a fairly hard date and some reasonably specific, verifiable conditions.

Doesn’t mean I believe him, mind ... just that I respect him more than I do most “prophetic visionaries”.


4 posted on 02/04/2010 6:57:08 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Like you, I only know what he has said. That is why this thread is labeled as a caucus and for discernment. There have been many whispered discussions about the signs of the times. I am not suggesting that this ‘visionary’ is correct; simply posting what he has reportedly said.


5 posted on 02/04/2010 7:02:59 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer
Bogus.

This is from the "Russia has not yet been consecrated" school of thought which is contrary to Sr. Lucia's statements.

There is going to be no "revolution originating in Russia" which engulfs Europe. Russia is walking towards the light. Western Europe is walking towards darkness. Any upheaval in western Europe will start internally and it will be an implosion.

6 posted on 02/04/2010 7:16:03 AM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: NYer
According to the visionary,

Alleged visionary.

7 posted on 02/04/2010 7:18:31 AM PST by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Dear ArrogantBustard,

There's less there than meets the eye.

The difficulty is that some of the things that he is “prophesying” don't need much of a prophet's touch to predict.

With the warming relations between the pope and the Moscow patriarch, predicting a visit of the pope to Russia isn't a low-percentage event. Similarly, in that the US and Russia have ALREADY announced tentative agreement on a new nuclear arms treaty, well, there you go! Two “prophesies” that need no prophet.

And then, how much “fudge factor” will be taken by the prophet? I've been “prophesying” a double-dip recession since mid-2008, with the second dip happening in 2010 or 2011. It dosn’t take a prophet to see rising tides of violence in European cities WITHOUT another economic dip (hint: In France, a few hundred cars burned in a given night in the cities by the “youths” is a GOOD night). A double-dip recession happens? Yeah, in that case,we could easily see some more violence in European cities.

“...giving the window of opportunity for Russia and China to execute militarily against Europe and the US.”

Vague enough to mean almost anything. How about if China gets a little more aggressive in terms of harassing US spy planes over international waters? How about if Russia targets a few more missiles at Europe?

Notice, he doesn't say that all-out war will occur in 2010, or that WWIII will occur in 2010. Rather, all these smaller, vaguer predictions “will eventually result into an all out war in that region,...”

In the meanwhile, the pope goes to Russia, the US and Russia sign an arms treaty, the global economy weakens somewhat, “youths” burn more cars in more European cities, and the “prophet” will announce that his “prophecies” are on track, and by the way, can you throw another $20 in the collection plate?

I apologize for my seeming cynicism, but as we like to say, I've moved to Missouri on this one.


sitetest

8 posted on 02/04/2010 7:22:46 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: NYer

FR going down frequently is an imminent sign.

Seriously, wouldn’t surprise me in the least if the chastisement begins this year.


9 posted on 02/04/2010 7:33:09 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: NYer

My alarm bells go off every time I hear someone say that Russia was not properly consecrated. So Sister Lucia was lying, then?


10 posted on 02/04/2010 7:47:23 AM PST by Antoninus (The RNC's dream ticket: Romney / Scozzafava 2012)
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To: sitetest

The Missourian attitude is certainly warranted. Most “prophecies” I see are so vague I can’t even tell for sure what the alleged prophet is talking about, or the timeline is so vague as to cover anything within the next millennium. They rate a 0/10. This guy rates a 1/10. (Isn’t that called “damning with faint praise”?) IMO. YMMV.


11 posted on 02/04/2010 7:51:48 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer

Choose your visions carefully.

BE THOU MY VISION
Be Thou my Vision, O Lord of my heart;
Naught be all else to me, save that Thou art;
Thou my best thought, by day or by night,
Waking or sleeping, Thy presence my light.

Be Thou my Wisdom, and Thou my true Word;
I ever with Thee and Thou with me, Lord;
Thou my great Father, and I Thy true son,
Thou in me dwelling, and I with Thee one.

Riches I heed not, nor man’s empty praise;
Thou mine inheritance, now and always;
Thou and Thou only, first in my heart,
High King of heaven, my treasure Thou art.

High King of heaven, my victory won,
May I reach heaven’s joys, O bright heav’n’s Sun!
Heart of my own heart, whatever befall,
Still be my Vision, O Ruler of all.


12 posted on 02/04/2010 8:00:48 AM PST by WestwardHo (Whom the god would destroy, they first drive mad.)
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To: sitetest; NYer

As NYer posted, this is for discernment only and scepticism is warranted. In the end, it doesn’t really matter what anyone else says. What matters is that the Blessed Mother told us at Fatima to pray the Rosary daily for peace. If Sr. Lucia said that the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart was done properly, then she ought to know and we should take her word for it. Nevertheless, this “visionary”’s words should remind us of the seriousness of Our Lady’s message and that we do need to pay attention to it. Plus, it doesn’t hurt to be prepared for the three days of darkness, whether it comes or not.


13 posted on 02/04/2010 8:05:12 AM PST by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: marshmallow

I don’t have the links...but I heard last week that Putin gave a speech about a Saint...I think it was St. Francis or meantioned him and that the Russians are pouring millions into rebuilding their old churches.


14 posted on 02/04/2010 8:23:03 AM PST by Irisshlass
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To: nanetteclaret

Anyone have a ready link to the (alleged) statement by Sr. Lucia? By alleged, I don’t mean to suggest skepticism that the words came out of her mouth, but were they said freely, not under duress or undue influence and without interpretational difficulties? Even approved visionaries are not infallible.


15 posted on 02/04/2010 8:29:24 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Irisshlass
Putin Urges Young People to Follow St. Francis Model
16 posted on 02/04/2010 8:33:05 AM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: steve86
Letters of Sr. Lucia Santos, OCD on the Consecration
17 posted on 02/04/2010 8:35:18 AM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: nanetteclaret
... it doesn’t hurt to be prepared for the three days of darkness, whether it comes or not.

Blizzard, hurricane, tornado, possum in the transformer substation ... being prepared for all kinds of service outages is a good idea, any time.

18 posted on 02/04/2010 8:36:31 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Contrary to what politicians expect us to do, let's stop and think. " ~Thomas Sowell, of course)
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To: NYer
Maybe the "visionary" has been watching the latest Fatima Network documentary: The Secret Still Silenced ?

Chapters 7 & 8 of the film are a good summary of Antonio Socci's recent book, "The Fourth Secret of Fatima."

19 posted on 02/04/2010 8:39:29 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: steve86
Sister Lucia’s Response to the 1984 Collegial Consecration
20 posted on 02/04/2010 8:39:29 AM PST by JPII Be Not Afraid
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To: marshmallow

Thank-you Marshmallow :)


21 posted on 02/04/2010 8:43:23 AM PST by Irisshlass
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To: steve86
Anyone have a ready link to the (alleged) statement by Sr. Lucia?

Here you go.

Fátima - 1984 Consecration

Not much alleged about it.
22 posted on 02/04/2010 8:44:52 AM PST by Antoninus (The RNC's dream ticket: Romney / Scozzafava 2012)
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To: steve86
Happy ferreting. I believe the information you seek is already on FR in one of these threads. (You asked -- smiling)

Top Ten Scientific Explantions of Miracle of Sun at Fatima (Catholic Caucus)

Fatima and the Theology of the Body: Part II
Fatima and Akita
Fatima and the Theology of the Body: Part I
The Story of Fatima -- Part 2
The Story of Faitma -- Part 1
Our Lady of Fatima, May 13
Litany of Our Lady of Fatima
Last Fatima child buried in final resting place (Sr. Maria's remains transferred to Fatima)
Sister Lucia, last remaining witness of Fatima apparitions, dies at 97
SISTER LUCIA RIP

LAST OF CHILDREN WHO CLAIMED TO SEE VIRGIN MARY DIES AT 97
Last child who claimed to see "Virgin Mary" dies
Virgin Mary Child Dies (Lucia of Fatima)
Mourning for Fatima seer (Portugal declares day of mourning)
Third Secret of Fatima is not fully revealed.
Sister Lucia, last remaining witness of Fatima apparitions, dies at 97
Sr. Lucia, Fatima, and Islam
Mystery Fatima: Death of Lucia Accents Famed Secrets & Area's Hidden History
"No More Secrets," Visionary Said in 2001 (Sr. Lucia Confirmed Russia Consecrated to Mary)
Papal praise at Sister Lucia's funeral

Our Lady of Fatima, ‘counterrevolutionary’ and ‘ecumenical’
Fatima Statue Due at Vatican to Mark a Fateful Day 25 Years After Attempt on John Paul II's Life
Sister Lucia's Unpublished Writings Released - Visionary Reflects on Marian Apparitions
Sister Lucia's Last Moments
Fatima: Case Closed
Rosary Rallies Planned for Fatima Anniversary [Catholic Caucus]
Giant new church at Fatima shrine
Sister Lucia's Beatification Process to Begin ( Pope Waves 5-Year Waiting Period)
The faithful remember miracle of Fatima, Thousands gather in Washington Twp. on 90th anniversary
Pius XII Saw "Miracle of the Sun" [Catholic Caucus]

23 posted on 02/04/2010 8:52:48 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Antoninus
Thanks for the replies.

Oddly, a second, slightly augmented version of the "prophecy" exists on the same website.

1. A papal visit to Russia. This will be the last sign and immediately follows the bloodshed in Europe.

2. The signing of an aggreement (sic), military in nature, between US and Russia. This will happen immediately prior to the nuclear war.

So no point in looking for the Papal visit right off the bat.

24 posted on 02/04/2010 8:53:33 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: steve86
Oddly, a second, slightly augmented version of the "prophecy" exists on the same website.

Yeah, that is a bit odd.

Short version.

Longer version.

From the longer version:

"Mr. Puntalangit can be contacted through dukepuntalangit@yahoo.com"

A visionary soliciting email contacts?

25 posted on 02/04/2010 9:07:40 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: NYer
Hence, he claims, we can expect only five hundred million will be alive to witness the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

That ought to solve the medicare problem. Somebody forward this to Rahm.

26 posted on 02/04/2010 9:16:23 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (governance is not sovereignty [paraphrasing Bishop Fulton Sheen].)
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To: marshmallow
Russia is walking towards the light.

Ahh.

So you're the visionary here.

27 posted on 02/04/2010 9:17:34 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (governance is not sovereignty [paraphrasing Bishop Fulton Sheen].)
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To: steve86
Seriously, wouldn’t surprise me in the least if the chastisement begins this year.

One can't be faulted for thinking that they might have begun with the "Decade from Hell."

28 posted on 02/04/2010 9:19:01 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (governance is not sovereignty [paraphrasing Bishop Fulton Sheen].)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Russia is walking toward the light. She is not claiming to be a visionary..it is fact...SO the consecration did take place...this is HUGE and I don’t think we can grasp it. This is wonderful, truly a miracle. God’s time is not our time.


29 posted on 02/04/2010 11:38:31 AM PST by Irisshlass
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To: NYer

Not a lot about him on the Pinoy internet...not in the papers, nor can I find any thing on the Pinoy web (including webpages written in Tagalog) except a single link to the same article that is posted here.

Puntalangit also means going to heaven in Tagalog...

so my take is that this is a hoax.


30 posted on 02/04/2010 5:44:02 PM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: sitetest
I apologize for my seeming cynicism, but as we like to say, I've moved to Missouri on this one.

If I wasn't such a nice, Catholic girl, I might take umbrage with this. Missouri is actually a pretty decent state.

31 posted on 02/04/2010 8:27:09 PM PST by Desdemona (These are the times that try men's souls. - Remember Christmas 1776)
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To: NYer
What narcissists will do for attention....

Sorry, don't buy it. This doesn't jive with not only Fatima, but Akita, among others. I'll take the Blessed Mother's word over "visionaries" (not mystics) any day of the week.

32 posted on 02/04/2010 8:30:21 PM PST by Desdemona (These are the times that try men's souls. - Remember Christmas 1776)
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To: NYer

“...the election of a new pope who will accomplished (sic) the request of the Virgin Mary for the consecration of Russia to Her Immaculate Heart.”

This alone gives me doubts, since Lucy herself said that this had been done.


33 posted on 02/05/2010 5:43:08 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: nanetteclaret

Didn’t Pope John Paul II do that and the Soviet Union fell to pieces as a result?


34 posted on 03/04/2010 12:57:25 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Niuhuru

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35 posted on 03/04/2010 10:44:38 PM PST by KMRD
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To: NYer

This guy has his own website now, http://dukepuntalangit.wordpress.com/


36 posted on 04/21/2010 4:49:57 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Thanks for posting that link, Brian. I have bookmarked it for future reference. What do you know of him from other sources?


37 posted on 04/21/2010 5:39:11 AM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer
Well, I guess we'll know real soon whether he's a prophet or a quack.
                                Dear Friends,

Greetings in the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Most Immaculate Heart of Mary!

There’s less than two weeks now for my first prophecy which I revealed last February to be fulfilled. Today, April 20 2010, is less than 10 days for the Middle East War to erupt. There’s still time to make a novena to the Most Immaculate Heart of Mary, at least you have started praying should the War start this week or better yet you can still finish the nine day novena if heaven will prevent it until the last day.

I hope you will take my warning seriously. Only the Most Immaculate Heart of Mary can save us now so don’t give up that devotion and if you are not yet devoted to Our Lady’s Most Immaculate Heart then do so now.

My apologies by the way for the way I presented the prophecies. If you find my prophecies cruel please consider that I am only echoing what has been warned at Fatima and many other apparitions.

In a few days you will all know the truth of my locutions, whether it is fake or not. I pray for the truth, even if it would hurt me, for only the truth can set us free. If I am wrong then so be it. In that case I beg pardon from God for using His Most Holy Name in vain and please be merciful enough to pray for me and forgive me.

However, if I am proven right please be very worried because what I have said so far is just the tip of the iceberg.

Start praying now while you still have time!

I cannot answer all your inquiries for now. Please forgive me for this. But I will find time soon to answer your comments.

Please pray the Most Holy Rosary and do the Act of Consecration to the Most Immaculate Heart of Mary!

Your humble servant,

Duke Puntalangit


38 posted on 04/21/2010 6:29:50 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: NYer
Other forums seem to have established that this "Duke" is actually Dominic Sanchez Falar, the founder of the “Mary-Is-God Catholic Movement”:

Ancient Heresy Resurfaces as Marian Movement

The Catholic Sentinel Blog reports (Feb. 10, 2006) that Archbishop Ricardo Cardinal Vidal of Cebu, Philippines sent his resignation letter to the Vatican amidst speculations that this move may be related to the “Mary-Is-God Catholic Movement” operating in his archdiocese.

The Mary-Is-God Catholic Movement (MIGCM) describes itself as consisting of “faithful Catholics devoting our lives to the proclamation of the True Message of Our Lady of Fatima and the preservation of our True Faith.” It was founded on September 16, 2005 by Dominic Sanchez Falar, who alleges that the Blessed Virgin Mary appeared to him in August of 1994 and thereafter revealed to him the Sacred Mysteries of the Catholic Faith, mysteries concerning the Church, the Papacy, the Antichrist and the end times. Of the revelations supposedly imparted by the Mother of God to Dominic, three are paramount. The first of these is the Final Dogma of the Catholic Church which states that Mary is God, that Mary is the Soul of the Holy Spirit. The second of these the visionary has confided to only a few Priests. And the third is what he must reveal at an appropriate time to expose the True Antichrist.

MIGCM founder Dominic Sanchez Falar believes that he has revealed the true Message of Fatima. On January 10, 2006, he explained why he waited until Fatima visionary Sister Lucia dos Santos was dead before revealing what he knew. “If only my true intention was to prove that I knew something about the Third Secret of Our Blessed Mother,” said Falar, “right there and then I would have revealed to the world Her True Message at Fatima. But this message is not mine but rather of God. And so I waited until The Most Holy Spirit, in His Infinite Mercy, gave me the sign to reveal His Will.”

Falar claims that Pope John Paul II lied about the message of Our Lady of Fatima, allowing the concoction of a fake third secret designed to deceive the faithful into believing that all is already well and that the Third Secret of Fatima concerns no Dogma of Faith. He also accuses Pope Benedict XVI, then Cardinal Ratzinger, of masterminding the false third secret revealed in 2000 by the Vatican. Falar claims that the Dogma Mary-Is-God will, in the end, identify the faithful members of “the Most Holy Spirit’s Church, as totally and absolutely His own and consequently prepare us for the Second Coming of Our Lord and God Jesus Christ.”

Archbishop Vidal was ordained on March 17, 1956 and was elected bishop in 1971. He has led the Cebu archdiocese since September 1982.

While The Catholic Sentinel Blog reports that Vidal’s resignation came after various requests for an official statement on the Mary-Is-God Catholic Movement, another Catholic website, www.catholic-hierarchy.org, states that the resignation was submitted on the occasion of Vidal’s 75th birthday and quotes him as saying that, “If the Holy Father will allow me to stay and if the Cebuanos would want me to stay, I will stay (as Archbishop of Cebu).” The site also claims that a source inside the Archbishop’s Palace revealed that there is a big possibility that the Pope will not accept Vidal's retirement “because he is still very strong and able.” As of this writing, no official statement has been issued on the matter by the Vatican.

Comment: In The Book of Ecclesiastes we read, “Nothing under the sun is new.” This is especially true regarding heresy. All the lies and doctrinal distortions that plagued the early Church resurface every now and then under new names and with new vocabularies, but the poison is the same.

Self-styled Marian visionary, Dominic Sanchez Falar, peppers his writing with the things loyal Catholics love to hear. He decries false ecumenism and the assaults against the Catholic Faith (and the Fatima Message) perpetrated by the shepherds in charge of defending it. But his “Mary-Is-God Catholic Movement” is nothing more that the resurgence of a heresy that afflicted the Catholic Faith from the mid-fourth to the mid-fifth centuries.

These ancient heretics were called Kollyridians. Consisting mainly of women and led by priestesses, the members of this sect offered Divine worship to the Virgin Mary. Combining pagan and Catholic ritual into a new goddess-liturgy, the Kollyridians offered small cakes or special breads to Mary. These cakes or breads were called kollyra, hence the name of the sect. St. Epiphanius of Salamis (+403), Father of the Church, described these heretics thus: “Certain women there in Arabia have introduced this absurd teaching from Thracia – how they offer up a sacrifice of bread rolls in the Name of the ever-Virgin Mary, and all partake of this bread."

St. Epiphanius was an enthusiastic opponent of the Kollyridians. He addressed their errors in his work, Panarion (“Medicine Basket”), also known as Adversus Haereses (“Against the Heresies”):

Yes, Mary’s body was holy, but it was not God. Yes, the Virgin was surely a virgin and worthy of honor; however, she was not given us for us to adore her. She herself adored Him Who was born of her flesh, having descended from heaven and from the bosom of the Father. Honor Mary, but let the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost be worshiped, but let no one worship Mary....even though Mary is most beautiful and holy and venerable, yet she is not to be worshipped.

One need only look at Our Lady’s own Magnificat to see that she never claimed to possess a Divine nature. Quite the contrary, for she sang “My spirit hath rejoiced in God my Savior .... Because He that is mighty, hath done great things to me, and holy is His name.” If MIGCM founder Dominic Sanchez Falar saw an apparition which claimed to be both Mary and God, the best thing he could have done was turn and run for his life!

And speaking of there being nothing new under the sun, don’t those ancient Kollyridian gals remind you way too much of today’s New Age, Gaia-worshipping, ordination-happy, feminist “nuns?”

39 posted on 04/21/2010 5:18:36 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Thanks again, Brian, for the exhaustive research on this purported seer and his background. Most informative!


40 posted on 04/22/2010 6:02:55 AM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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