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Bishop Gene Robinson claims Bible does not address ‘monogamous’ same-sex relationships
cna ^ | February 5, 2010

Posted on 02/05/2010 6:01:10 AM PST by NYer

Episcopal Bishop V. Gene Robinson

Washington D.C., Feb 5, 2010 / 03:20 am (CNA).- The first openly homosexual Episcopal bishop, V. Gene Robinson, has claimed that the Bible does not address the ethics of “monogamous, lifelong” homosexual relationships. He suggested that the people of St. Paul’s times did not realize that some people were “affectionally oriented” to their own sex.

On Tuesday at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., CNSNews.com spoke to Bishop Robinson about St. Paul’s condemnation in the Book of Romans of “unnatural” relations and “indecent acts” between members of the same sex. CNSNews.com asked if St. Paul was right to say homosexual acts were against nature.

The bishop said Scripture needed to be understood “in its own context.”

“We have to understand that the notion of a homosexual sexual orientation is a notion that’s only about 125 years old,” he added.

“That is to say, St. Paul was talking about people that he understood to be heterosexual engaging in same-sex acts," said Bishop Robinson.

The concept “heterosexual” also only dates to the nineteenth century, according to the Oxford English Dictionary.

"It never occurred to anyone in ancient times that a certain minority of us would be born being affectionally oriented to people of the same sex,” the bishop told CNSNews.com “So it did seem like against their nature to be doing so.”

He also claimed that St. Paul was condemning the practice of his times, in which older men sexually used younger boys.

“So the real question when you look at Scripture is, ‘What did it mean to the person who wrote it?’” said Bishop Robinson. “‘What did it mean for the audience to whom it was written?’ And only then can we ask, ‘Is it eternally binding?’ And in this case, I would say, the things that St. Paul was against, I’m against, too.”

He said the question today should be the rightfulness of “faithful, monogamous, lifelong-intentioned relationships between people of the same sex.’”

According to the Episcopal bishop, the Bible “simply does not address that.”

Robinson, who was married and has two daughters, divorced his wife and is now involved in a homosexual relationship. His ordination heightened conflict between the Episcopal Church and the global Anglican Communion of which it is a part.

Bishop Robinson delivered the invocation at the presidential inaugural’s opening ceremonies at the Lincoln Memorial on Jan. 18, 2009.

The bishop’s interpretation of Scripture is shared by some homosexual activists but not adhered to by most Christians. Homosexual tendencies are described as “objectively disordered” by the Catechism of the Catholic Church, while homosexual acts are “contrary to the natural law” and can “under no circumstances” be approved.

Biblical scholar and Anglican Bishop of Durham N.T. Wright has also criticized some Episcopalians’ theology for treating chastity as “optional.”

“Jewish, Christian and Muslim teachers have always insisted that lifelong man-plus-woman marriage is the proper context for sexual intercourse,” he explained in the London Times.

“This is not (as is frequently suggested) an arbitrary rule, dualistic in overtone and killjoy in intention. It is a deep structural reflection of the belief in a creator God who has entered into covenant both with his creation and with his people.”

This understanding is “the uniform teaching of the whole Bible, of Jesus himself, and of the entire Christian tradition,” he wrote.


TOPICS: History; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: christian; ecusa; episcopagan; episcopal; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; moapb; religiousleft; sin; ssa
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1 posted on 02/05/2010 6:01:10 AM PST by NYer
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To: NYer

Uhhhh.


2 posted on 02/05/2010 6:03:02 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...
"It never occurred to anyone in ancient times that a certain minority of us would be born being affectionally oriented to people of the same sex,” the bishop told CNSNews.com

Puhlease!!! St. Paul was a Roman Jew. Society, back then, was replete with homosexuality. Check out the frescoes from Pompeii ... I would post a link except it is too scandalous.

3 posted on 02/05/2010 6:03:48 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer

Bishop Gene Robinson claims Bible does not address ‘monogamous’ same-sex relationships.

Your right Gene it does not, but it does condemn “same-sex” relationships in several places and also warns us about “wolves in sheeps clothing” false prophets like yourself. Maybe you should read II Peter 2 and contemplate it.


4 posted on 02/05/2010 6:04:48 AM PST by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: NYer
He said the question today should be the rightfulness of “faithful, monogamous, lifelong-intentioned relationships between people of the same sex.’” According to the Episcopal bishop, the Bible “simply does not address that.” Robinson, who was married and has two daughters, divorced his wife and is now involved in a homosexual relationship.

It sounds like he broke his marriage vows and is now proclaiming his own righteousness with his homosexual union because this time it's a lifetime commitment (unlike his first marriage). Hypocrisy, anyone?

5 posted on 02/05/2010 6:06:27 AM PST by BipolarBob (My bodyguard is a 6'3" pooka named Harvey.)
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To: NYer

The soul of Gene Robinson is in great jeopardy. We need to pray for him.


6 posted on 02/05/2010 6:07:29 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: NYer

Yeah, yeah, yeah... Let’s (once again)try to spin the Bible to suit OUR personal objectives, tastes, desires, wants...


7 posted on 02/05/2010 6:07:57 AM PST by joethedrummer
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To: DarthVader
Bishop Gene Robinson claims Bible does not address ‘monogamous’ same-sex relationships.

Pardon the blasphemy, but oh, for God's sake ...

8 posted on 02/05/2010 6:08:08 AM PST by MozarkDawg
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To: NYer

Paul probably understood the origin and meaning of the term “sodomite”


9 posted on 02/05/2010 6:08:43 AM PST by silverleaf (My Proposed Federal Budget is $29.99)
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10 posted on 02/05/2010 6:09:24 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: NYer

This guy is nuts. Such a hard time they have dealing with Scripture. He looks like he should be a member of NAMBLA. There is nothing new under the sun, buddy.


11 posted on 02/05/2010 6:12:38 AM PST by mancini
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To: NYer

A lot of old money, east coast elites and RINO’s are on the lefty side of Episcopalians.


12 posted on 02/05/2010 6:16:40 AM PST by Leisler (We are in the best of hands)
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To: SumProVita

You are 100% right as this says so:

http://bible.oremus.org/?passage=2Peter+2

You took the words right out of my mouth about praying for him. I am going to start doing so.


13 posted on 02/05/2010 6:17:19 AM PST by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: NYer

He’s vile.


14 posted on 02/05/2010 6:17:27 AM PST by constitutiongirl ("Nietzsche was stupid and abnormal."---Leo Tolstoy)
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To: silverleaf; wagglebee
Paul probably understood the origin and meaning of the term “sodomite”

From the Didache

"You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal, you shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill one that has been born" (Didache 2:2 A.D. 70]).

15 posted on 02/05/2010 6:17:41 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer

I am not a Christian but Leviticus is quite clear. What is condemned is Gay sex, whether in a long time relationship or a one night stand. The bishop should reread it.


16 posted on 02/05/2010 6:23:41 AM PST by Michel12
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To: mancini

Fools at work again.
Bible talks about marriage and family at length. For many reasons. They are at the core of the existence and continuity of both family and faith. Without progeny there is no continuity of family nor faith. Both entities die. So it is both in the faiths interest and the families interest to promote values which promote healthy family relationships.
Homosexual unions are just that and do not have the same meaning, purpose nor objectives of the traditional marriage of man and woman and need to be treated as that.


17 posted on 02/05/2010 6:24:19 AM PST by himno hero
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To: SumProVita

NO!


18 posted on 02/05/2010 6:25:53 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: NYer
Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

19 posted on 02/05/2010 6:30:28 AM PST by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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To: NYer
Are some Episcopals really so ignorant of the Bible that they would believe and follow this idiot?

Romans 1:27-28
...and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper...

20 posted on 02/05/2010 6:31:58 AM PST by Upstate NY Guy
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To: NYer
“We have to understand that the notion of a homosexual sexual orientation is a notion that’s only about 125 years old,” he added.

C'mon, Genie baby, you modern man, you!! You can do better than that!

How sad that you've never actually READ the HOLY BIBLE, the SCRIPTURES, the WORD OF GOD! And you call yourself a 'holy man'?? Puleeze.

Old Testament
Leviticus 18 (KJV)
22) Thou shalt not

lie with mankind

, as with womankind: it is abomination.

New Testament
1 Corinthians 6:9 (NASB)
8)On the contrary, you yourselves wrong and defraud. You do this even to your brethren.
9) Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor

homosexuals

10)nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

Timothy 1:10 (NASB)
8) But we know that (Y)the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully,
9) realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers
10) and immoral men and

homosexuals

and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,
11) according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.
21 posted on 02/05/2010 6:32:31 AM PST by pillut48 ("Stand now. Stand together. Stand for what is right."-Gov.Sarah Palin, "Going Rogue")
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To: NYer
This Bishop cannot be possibly trusted to understand the scriptures:

“So the real question when you look at Scripture is, ‘What did it mean to the person who wrote it?’” said Bishop Robinson.

"the person who wrote it" is God. But apparently the Bishop thinks the Bible is just a collection of the words of fallable men who only wrote what they thought, without input from God, and therefore the commands therein are flawed and should be ignored.

22 posted on 02/05/2010 6:32:58 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Michel12
1 Corinthians 7:2
Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
23 posted on 02/05/2010 6:35:26 AM PST by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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To: NYer

Thanks to Vicki Gene Robinson for reminding us that:

The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men. Psalm 12:8


24 posted on 02/05/2010 6:37:16 AM PST by Joy in the Journey (For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. I Corinthians 14:33)
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To: joethedrummer
They don't do it with the koran, but it's OK with the Bible. These people will sell you a prayer hankie for $1,000 or even a little bottle of oil. Come one come all!
25 posted on 02/05/2010 6:38:57 AM PST by cameraeye (A happy kafar!)
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To: NYer
1 Corinthians 6.9
9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God?
Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
26 posted on 02/05/2010 6:46:49 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: NYer; Upstate NY Guy

Romans 1.32
32 They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.


27 posted on 02/05/2010 6:51:04 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: NYer
This man committed ADULTERY while married to his WIFE. Last time I looked, that was in the TEN COMMANDMENTS. How dare he lecture anyone on what is in Scripture!!!!

Hate is un-Christian, so I will simply say that I despise this man and pray that his perversity will stop destroying my Church.

28 posted on 02/05/2010 6:58:32 AM PST by Dems_R_Losers (U.S. Out of My Doctor's Office!!)
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To: NYer

Nor does the Bible speak to the proper maintenance of aircraft.


29 posted on 02/05/2010 7:00:15 AM PST by pabianice
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To: cameraeye
These people will sell you a prayer hankie for $1,000 or even a little bottle of oil. Come one come all!

Both parties here are fools, as are the people who will spend thousands for an image of Mary in a corn flake, or piece of toast.

30 posted on 02/05/2010 7:06:25 AM PST by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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To: pabianice
Nor does the Bible speak to the proper maintenance of aircraft.

We are encouraged not to fly.

Matthew 28:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, low, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Don't burn me at the stake for heresy, it is just a joke.

31 posted on 02/05/2010 7:13:09 AM PST by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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To: NYer
Nobody could be this ignorant. He must be lying.

One word response to his worthless "ancient times" argument:

Antinous.


32 posted on 02/05/2010 7:28:58 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: pnh102

He has to say that, doesn’t he?

What a coward he is; If he wants to be of the world, instead of in it, leave.

He’s obstinate to the point of denying scripture to make himself his own small g god.

Lord have mercy.


33 posted on 02/05/2010 7:32:35 AM PST by AliVeritas (IStolen from the best site ever: http://directorblue.blogspot.com/)
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To: AliVeritas

Gene Robinson’s Bible must be very thin.


34 posted on 02/05/2010 7:33:18 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: NYer

“Robinson, who was married and has two daughters, divorced his wife and is now involved in a homosexual relationship.”

The bible addresses his current situation in a very clear and direct fasion. Despite his uncertainty about homosexuality, he should feel convicted about adultery.


35 posted on 02/05/2010 7:33:55 AM PST by dangerdoc
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To: AppyPappy
...because, you know, if the Bible did say that, well, he'd repent right away.
36 posted on 02/05/2010 7:35:48 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Dems_R_Losers
Hate is un-Christian, so I will simply say that I despise this man and pray that his perversity will stop destroying my Church.

Not true:

Deuteronomy 12:31 (New International Version) 31 You must not worship the LORD your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods.

There are plenty more verses.

37 posted on 02/05/2010 7:38:15 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: DYngbld

Isn’t there a Bible verse that says something like leave your father’s house and cleave to your husband?


38 posted on 02/05/2010 7:42:18 AM PST by csmusaret (Right wing extremists: Jefferson, Adams, Madison, Paine, and me.)
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To: csmusaret
Genesis 2:24
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
39 posted on 02/05/2010 8:00:44 AM PST by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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To: DYngbld

Thank you. I wonder if Rev Vickie has read that.


40 posted on 02/05/2010 8:09:17 AM PST by csmusaret (Right wing extremists: Jefferson, Adams, Madison, Paine, and me.)
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To: NYer

Wow, unbelievable. Shame on him for lying about Gods Word.


41 posted on 02/05/2010 8:42:17 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: BibChr

Too bad the Bible doesn’t condemn dumping your wife and kids for another lover


42 posted on 02/05/2010 8:43:06 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: pabianice
Nor does the Bible speak to the proper maintenance of aircraft.

No, but it does say that the husband should make the coffee. There's a whole book about that: He brews.

43 posted on 02/05/2010 11:04:41 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Liberals love the poor so much they came up w/ a plan to create millions more of them. - Ann Coulter)
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To: NYer

One can only assume from this statement that this “bishop” has actually never read the bible!


44 posted on 02/05/2010 11:07:07 AM PST by zerosix (A)
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To: NYer
To Bishop Robinson: Try reading Genesis 19 in full.

It's sad that you have reached the position of Bishop having never read the bible or worse yet, refuse to believe the truth!

45 posted on 02/05/2010 11:12:55 AM PST by zerosix (A)
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To: NYer

This guy is desperately trying justify the unjustifiable.


46 posted on 02/05/2010 11:44:33 AM PST by TheStickman
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To: BibChr; NYer; AppyPappy

“It never occurred to anyone in ancient times that a certain minority of us would be born being affectionally oriented to people of the same sex,”

What Gene calls “affectionally oriented to people of the same sex”, Paul says is:

God (Rom. 1:24-27) “also giving them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”

All of this because (Rom 1:21-22) “when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,” Rom 1:25, “Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.” Rom 1:28,”And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;”

An approx. 2,000 year old prophetic description of Gene.


47 posted on 02/05/2010 12:37:27 PM PST by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan

Right. Gene’s fundamental problem is that he hasn’t grasped that God is Lord, and he isn’t. He’s still trusting in his heart, which is wicked and deceptive (Jeremiah 17:9), and makes a fool of him (Proverbs 28:26). He hasn’t a clue of how radical a salvation he needs. So he canonizes his lusts and smears sanctity over the whole mess.

Won’t work.


48 posted on 02/05/2010 12:51:53 PM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: massgopguy

“....and forgive us our trespasses AS WE FORGIVE THOSE....”


49 posted on 02/05/2010 4:36:19 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: NYer; All

This man is about as Hell bound as a person can be. Sadly, he is misleading so many that might seek help and forgiveness if they would just acknowledge their sin. Homosexual conduct is sin. It is clear from scripture...Robinson is a fool.


50 posted on 02/05/2010 4:47:38 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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