Skip to comments.Bishop Gene Robinson claims Bible does not address ‘monogamous’ same-sex relationships
Posted on 02/05/2010 6:01:10 AM PST by NYer
.- The first openly homosexual Episcopal bishop, V. Gene Robinson, has claimed that the Bible does not address the ethics of monogamous, lifelong homosexual relationships. He suggested that the people of St. Pauls times did not realize that some people were affectionally oriented to their own sex.
On Tuesday at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., CNSNews.com spoke to Bishop Robinson about St. Pauls condemnation in the Book of Romans of unnatural relations and indecent acts between members of the same sex. CNSNews.com asked if St. Paul was right to say homosexual acts were against nature.
The bishop said Scripture needed to be understood in its own context.
We have to understand that the notion of a homosexual sexual orientation is a notion thats only about 125 years old, he added.
That is to say, St. Paul was talking about people that he understood to be heterosexual engaging in same-sex acts," said Bishop Robinson.
The concept heterosexual also only dates to the nineteenth century, according to the Oxford English Dictionary.
"It never occurred to anyone in ancient times that a certain minority of us would be born being affectionally oriented to people of the same sex, the bishop told CNSNews.com So it did seem like against their nature to be doing so.
He also claimed that St. Paul was condemning the practice of his times, in which older men sexually used younger boys.
So the real question when you look at Scripture is, What did it mean to the person who wrote it? said Bishop Robinson. What did it mean for the audience to whom it was written? And only then can we ask, Is it eternally binding? And in this case, I would say, the things that St. Paul was against, Im against, too.
He said the question today should be the rightfulness of faithful, monogamous, lifelong-intentioned relationships between people of the same sex.
According to the Episcopal bishop, the Bible simply does not address that.
Robinson, who was married and has two daughters, divorced his wife and is now involved in a homosexual relationship. His ordination heightened conflict between the Episcopal Church and the global Anglican Communion of which it is a part.
Bishop Robinson delivered the invocation at the presidential inaugurals opening ceremonies at the Lincoln Memorial on Jan. 18, 2009.
The bishops interpretation of Scripture is shared by some homosexual activists but not adhered to by most Christians. Homosexual tendencies are described as objectively disordered by the Catechism of the Catholic Church, while homosexual acts are contrary to the natural law and can under no circumstances be approved.
Biblical scholar and Anglican Bishop of Durham N.T. Wright has also criticized some Episcopalians theology for treating chastity as optional.
Jewish, Christian and Muslim teachers have always insisted that lifelong man-plus-woman marriage is the proper context for sexual intercourse, he explained in the London Times.
This is not (as is frequently suggested) an arbitrary rule, dualistic in overtone and killjoy in intention. It is a deep structural reflection of the belief in a creator God who has entered into covenant both with his creation and with his people.
This understanding is the uniform teaching of the whole Bible, of Jesus himself, and of the entire Christian tradition, he wrote.
Puhlease!!! St. Paul was a Roman Jew. Society, back then, was replete with homosexuality. Check out the frescoes from Pompeii ... I would post a link except it is too scandalous.
Bishop Gene Robinson claims Bible does not address monogamous same-sex relationships.
Your right Gene it does not, but it does condemn “same-sex” relationships in several places and also warns us about “wolves in sheeps clothing” false prophets like yourself. Maybe you should read II Peter 2 and contemplate it.
It sounds like he broke his marriage vows and is now proclaiming his own righteousness with his homosexual union because this time it's a lifetime commitment (unlike his first marriage). Hypocrisy, anyone?
The soul of Gene Robinson is in great jeopardy. We need to pray for him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah... Let’s (once again)try to spin the Bible to suit OUR personal objectives, tastes, desires, wants...
Pardon the blasphemy, but oh, for God's sake ...
Paul probably understood the origin and meaning of the term “sodomite”
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This guy is nuts. Such a hard time they have dealing with Scripture. He looks like he should be a member of NAMBLA. There is nothing new under the sun, buddy.
A lot of old money, east coast elites and RINO’s are on the lefty side of Episcopalians.
You are 100% right as this says so:
You took the words right out of my mouth about praying for him. I am going to start doing so.
From the Didache
"You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal, you shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill one that has been born" (Didache 2:2 A.D. 70]).
I am not a Christian but Leviticus is quite clear. What is condemned is Gay sex, whether in a long time relationship or a one night stand. The bishop should reread it.
Fools at work again.
Bible talks about marriage and family at length. For many reasons. They are at the core of the existence and continuity of both family and faith. Without progeny there is no continuity of family nor faith. Both entities die. So it is both in the faiths interest and the families interest to promote values which promote healthy family relationships.
Homosexual unions are just that and do not have the same meaning, purpose nor objectives of the traditional marriage of man and woman and need to be treated as that.
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
...and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper...
So the real question when you look at Scripture is, What did it mean to the person who wrote it? said Bishop Robinson.
"the person who wrote it" is God. But apparently the Bishop thinks the Bible is just a collection of the words of fallable men who only wrote what they thought, without input from God, and therefore the commands therein are flawed and should be ignored.
Thanks to Vicki Gene Robinson for reminding us that:
The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men. Psalm 12:8
32 They know Gods justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.
Hate is un-Christian, so I will simply say that I despise this man and pray that his perversity will stop destroying my Church.
Nor does the Bible speak to the proper maintenance of aircraft.
Both parties here are fools, as are the people who will spend thousands for an image of Mary in a corn flake, or piece of toast.
We are encouraged not to fly.
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, low, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Don't burn me at the stake for heresy, it is just a joke.
One word response to his worthless "ancient times" argument:
He has to say that, doesn’t he?
What a coward he is; If he wants to be of the world, instead of in it, leave.
He’s obstinate to the point of denying scripture to make himself his own small g god.
Lord have mercy.
Gene Robinson’s Bible must be very thin.
“Robinson, who was married and has two daughters, divorced his wife and is now involved in a homosexual relationship.”
The bible addresses his current situation in a very clear and direct fasion. Despite his uncertainty about homosexuality, he should feel convicted about adultery.
Deuteronomy 12:31 (New International Version) 31 You must not worship the LORD your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods.
There are plenty more verses.
Isn’t there a Bible verse that says something like leave your father’s house and cleave to your husband?
Thank you. I wonder if Rev Vickie has read that.
Wow, unbelievable. Shame on him for lying about Gods Word.
Too bad the Bible doesn’t condemn dumping your wife and kids for another lover
No, but it does say that the husband should make the coffee. There's a whole book about that: He brews.
One can only assume from this statement that this “bishop” has actually never read the bible!
It's sad that you have reached the position of Bishop having never read the bible or worse yet, refuse to believe the truth!
This guy is desperately trying justify the unjustifiable.
“It never occurred to anyone in ancient times that a certain minority of us would be born being affectionally oriented to people of the same sex,
What Gene calls affectionally oriented to people of the same sex, Paul says is:
God (Rom. 1:24-27) also giving them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
All of this because (Rom 1:21-22) when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, Rom 1:25, Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. Rom 1:28,And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
An approx. 2,000 year old prophetic description of Gene.
Right. Gene’s fundamental problem is that he hasn’t grasped that God is Lord, and he isn’t. He’s still trusting in his heart, which is wicked and deceptive (Jeremiah 17:9), and makes a fool of him (Proverbs 28:26). He hasn’t a clue of how radical a salvation he needs. So he canonizes his lusts and smears sanctity over the whole mess.
“....and forgive us our trespasses AS WE FORGIVE THOSE....”
This man is about as Hell bound as a person can be. Sadly, he is misleading so many that might seek help and forgiveness if they would just acknowledge their sin. Homosexual conduct is sin. It is clear from scripture...Robinson is a fool.