Posted on 02/05/2010 6:01:10 AM PST by NYer
.- The first openly homosexual Episcopal bishop, V. Gene Robinson, has claimed that the Bible does not address the ethics of “monogamous, lifelong” homosexual relationships. He suggested that the people of St. Paul’s times did not realize that some people were “affectionally oriented” to their own sex.
On Tuesday at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., CNSNews.com spoke to Bishop Robinson about St. Paul’s condemnation in the Book of Romans of “unnatural” relations and “indecent acts” between members of the same sex. CNSNews.com asked if St. Paul was right to say homosexual acts were against nature.
The bishop said Scripture needed to be understood “in its own context.”
“We have to understand that the notion of a homosexual sexual orientation is a notion that’s only about 125 years old,” he added.
“That is to say, St. Paul was talking about people that he understood to be heterosexual engaging in same-sex acts," said Bishop Robinson.
The concept “heterosexual” also only dates to the nineteenth century, according to the Oxford English Dictionary.
"It never occurred to anyone in ancient times that a certain minority of us would be born being affectionally oriented to people of the same sex,” the bishop told CNSNews.com “So it did seem like against their nature to be doing so.”
He also claimed that St. Paul was condemning the practice of his times, in which older men sexually used younger boys.
“So the real question when you look at Scripture is, ‘What did it mean to the person who wrote it?’” said Bishop Robinson. “‘What did it mean for the audience to whom it was written?’ And only then can we ask, ‘Is it eternally binding?’ And in this case, I would say, the things that St. Paul was against, I’m against, too.”
He said the question today should be the rightfulness of “faithful, monogamous, lifelong-intentioned relationships between people of the same sex.’”
According to the Episcopal bishop, the Bible “simply does not address that.”
Robinson, who was married and has two daughters, divorced his wife and is now involved in a homosexual relationship. His ordination heightened conflict between the Episcopal Church and the global Anglican Communion of which it is a part.
Bishop Robinson delivered the invocation at the presidential inaugural’s opening ceremonies at the Lincoln Memorial on Jan. 18, 2009.
The bishop’s interpretation of Scripture is shared by some homosexual activists but not adhered to by most Christians. Homosexual tendencies are described as “objectively disordered” by the Catechism of the Catholic Church, while homosexual acts are “contrary to the natural law” and can “under no circumstances” be approved.
Biblical scholar and Anglican Bishop of Durham N.T. Wright has also criticized some Episcopalians’ theology for treating chastity as “optional.”
“Jewish, Christian and Muslim teachers have always insisted that lifelong man-plus-woman marriage is the proper context for sexual intercourse,” he explained in the London Times.
“This is not (as is frequently suggested) an arbitrary rule, dualistic in overtone and killjoy in intention. It is a deep structural reflection of the belief in a creator God who has entered into covenant both with his creation and with his people.”
This understanding is “the uniform teaching of the whole Bible, of Jesus himself, and of the entire Christian tradition,” he wrote.
Wow, unbelievable. Shame on him for lying about Gods Word.
Too bad the Bible doesn’t condemn dumping your wife and kids for another lover
No, but it does say that the husband should make the coffee. There's a whole book about that: He brews.
One can only assume from this statement that this “bishop” has actually never read the bible!
It's sad that you have reached the position of Bishop having never read the bible or worse yet, refuse to believe the truth!
This guy is desperately trying justify the unjustifiable.
“It never occurred to anyone in ancient times that a certain minority of us would be born being affectionally oriented to people of the same sex,”
What Gene calls “affectionally oriented to people of the same sex”, Paul says is:
God (Rom. 1:24-27) “also giving them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”
All of this because (Rom 1:21-22) “when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,” Rom 1:25, “Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.” Rom 1:28,”And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;”
An approx. 2,000 year old prophetic description of Gene.
Right. Gene’s fundamental problem is that he hasn’t grasped that God is Lord, and he isn’t. He’s still trusting in his heart, which is wicked and deceptive (Jeremiah 17:9), and makes a fool of him (Proverbs 28:26). He hasn’t a clue of how radical a salvation he needs. So he canonizes his lusts and smears sanctity over the whole mess.
Won’t work.
“....and forgive us our trespasses AS WE FORGIVE THOSE....”
This man is about as Hell bound as a person can be. Sadly, he is misleading so many that might seek help and forgiveness if they would just acknowledge their sin. Homosexual conduct is sin. It is clear from scripture...Robinson is a fool.
The fact that homosexuality was condemned shows that it was around.
"His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation. -Daniel 11:31
Shhh! I have my wife convinced that refers to beer! /jk. ;)
Is that to mark how far up....
Never mind.
Fascinating that he thinks monogamy is so important but not the injunction to avoid homosexuality. That’s called cherry picking your morality. What gives him the authority to do that? He might as well be truthful and just do whatever he wants and stop pretending. As they say, the road to hell is paved with the skulls of bishops.
As I pointed out on an earlier comment, homosexual relationships were condemned in the Didache.
You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal, you shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born.
70 AD
The Didache is among those traditions the Catholic Church recognizes that are not in the Bible.
This is what gets me about homosexuals and the left.
They always need an enemy, they need their supporters looking at that enemy to have them not notice how messed up they are..
For instance homosexuals say it's those Christians bla bla, but it's not just Christians it's muslims, Hindu's Sikhs etc It's those like me who say they're Christians and say a prayer but do not go to church because of this fool in the article. I left that religion because of their homosexual views and now he tries to tell us that the Bible doesn't mention what it does. Lets call this what it is hey It's all about sex for them and to get off. It's sick and disgusting and now this fool tries to twist the bible and a religion to go along with his sexual getting off.
it’s why we left.
Now we stay at home and say prayers as a family, I don’t need no sick pervert telling me how a religion is to be twisted to suit his sexual getting off.
If anyone goes to his church and they’re not a homosexual then I suggest these idiots think about this man was probably having sex with another mans arse and it is not normal.
So for any lefty trolls or even any on here sticking up for them and saying so what then think about what they do and then get ready to puke up .
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