Posted on 02/05/2010 3:58:41 PM PST by marshmallow
Says That Doctrine Is Live-Giving, Not Prohibiting
VATICAN CITY, FEB. 5, 2010 (Zenit.org).- Benedict XVI is urging prelates to call Catholics to complete fidelity to the magisterium, presenting Church teaching as a message of hope rather than a series of prohibitions.
The Pope stated this today in an audience with the bishops from Scotland who are in Rome for their five-yearly visit.
He underlined the need to focus anew on lay apostolate" so as to give "strong impetus to the task of evangelizing society."
The Pontiff added, "That task requires a readiness to grapple firmly with the challenges presented by the increasing tide of secularism in your country."
He mentioned in particular Scotland's support for euthanasia, developments in medical ethics and some practices advocated in the field of embryology, stating that these are a "cause for great concern."
"If the Church's teaching is compromised, even slightly, in one such area, then it becomes hard to defend the fullness of Catholic doctrine in an integral manner," the Holy Father said.
"Pastors of the Church, therefore, must continually call the faithful to complete fidelity to the Church's magisterium," he said, "while at the same time upholding and defending the Church's right to live freely in society according to her beliefs."
Benedict XVI pointed out that "the Church offers the world a positive and inspiring vision of human life, the beauty of marriage and the joy of parenthood."
He urged the bishops: "Be sure to present this teaching in such a way that it is recognized for the message of hope that it is.
"All too often the Church's doctrine is perceived as a series of prohibitions and retrograde positions, whereas the reality, as we know, is that it is creative and life-giving, and it is directed towards the fullest possible realization of the great potential for good and for happiness that God has implanted within every one of us."
hear hear!!!!!
I love what he says, but I have to ask myself: how many pastors of souls will even hear those words, much less heed them?
Thanks, marshmallow.
Luke 10:16
This is the problem with the Catholic Church, they swear their fidelity to the magisterium instead of God the Father and/or His Son.
They worship the church fathers and their teachings instead of God the Father and Jesus' teachings.
Not once is Christ or God mentioned as having any authority as what you are to believe. So much for Jesus being the head of His church.
Luke 10:16
marshmallow, are you implying that Jesus is referring to the Catholic Church in this passage?
**This is the problem with the Catholic Church, they swear their fidelity to the magisterium instead of God the Father and/or His Son.**
You really don’t understand Catholicism in my opinion. Our faith is in a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. The magisterium interprets guidelines for Catholics. Catholic don’t “Swear fidelity” to the magisterium’ their fidelity is with Christ.
Catholics do, however, listen to and follow the instructions of the magisterium — that is the REAL Catholics that you will find here on FR — not the CINOs like Pelosi, Biden, et al.
I'm not implying anything.
It is a 100%, sure-thing, cast-iron fact!!
Jesus is addressing the apostles and the bishops in union with the successor of Peter are the successors of the apostles.
I'm not implying anything.
It is a 100%, sure-thing, cast-iron fact!!
Jesus is addressing the apostles and the bishops in union with the successor of Peter are the successors of the apostles.
Luk 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them,I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Luk 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
Ya think maybe you're not completely understanding the verses you refer to as a proof text???
Let's see...Should we believe you, or your pope???
"Pastors of the Church, therefore, must continually call the faithful to complete fidelity to the Church's magisterium," he said,
Iscool:
Here here for the Pope telling priests to swear fidelity to the magisterium of the Catholic Church, i.e. the teaching office of the Church as a sign of authority to correctly interpret and defend orthodox Apostolic Tradition, which was handed to the Apostles from Christ and then passed own to the successive generations of Catholics starting with the Church Fathers and coming to us in the year 2010.
So, given that the Church is theology the Body of CHrist, fidelity to His Church is ontologically fidelity to Christ himself. On the other hand, most the Protestant ecceslial communties say that have fidelity to Christ, which actually mens fidelity to each individuals interpretation of Christian Doctrine. And that leads to chaos and ultimately a watering down of Christian doctrine whereby groups of individuals with similar views on doctrine associate with each other and outvote the other side on what is proper doctrine, hence the doctrinal meltdown and doctrinal disputes that are tearing many of the various Protestant ecceslial communites apart.
Please read this and get back to us.
This is what we believe. If you can read that document and tell us with a straight face that "not once is Christ or God [sic, Christ IS God] mentioned as having any authority", there really isn't much more anyone can say.
Campion wrote; "Please read this and get back to us. This is what we believe. If you can read that document and tell us with a straight face that "not once is Christ or God [sic, Christ IS God] mentioned as having any authority", there really isn't much more anyone can say."
I made that statement concerning the proclamation this thread is based on and stand by it. He is demanding fidelity to the magisterium, not God or Christ by name. Only the magisterium.
I read the article you referenced. It basically states the same. To my surprise he goes to great lengths making scripture inerrant and required for understanding God and His purpose. That is about as close to giving standing to Scripture I have seen from a Catholic.
That was short lived as he goes on to state, in essence, the same theme as the original article. Scripture is only relevant when defined by the Church and it supports it's traditions. This forms the bases for the magisterium and it's teachings and define what Catholics are to rely on for all truth. That makes the magisterium their god.
I saw a post awhile back in the same vain. When asked; "Who is the head of the Catholic Church"? sorry I don't remember the person's name but I know he is Catholic, answered by stating; "Jesus is the head but the magisterium is the teaching authority."
That makes Jesus a figurehead only, subservient to the magisterium.
The Holy Spirit is our teacher sent from God as promised by Jesus, not an unscriptural entity conceived by man.
The Catholic Church and it's dogmas are based on a small number of scriptures taken out of context.
The claim that Jesus establish an earthly church to be administered by the apostils and handed down to their successors is just that, a claim with no bases in truth. The apostils were not given any gifts, commands or responsibilities that are not given to all believers.
Most people believe that Christ's Church started at Pentecost with the gift of the Holy Spirit. There were 120 men and women disciples in the room at the time. Only 11 were apostles. They got nothing the other 109 got.
I have made this point in previous posts with no response about how God was not shy about how he wanted the Old Testament/Covenant earthly tabernacle built and outfitted and the priesthood which manned it and their duties. Start reading about Exodus 20:22 and continue on through Leviticus to Numbers 19 for a reminder.
After seeing God's penchant for detail, could you please show me where He defines an earthly priesthood and the duties He has given those priests for the New Testament/Covenant.
The only Priest for the New Covenant I can find is Christ and He is in heaven as described in Hebrews. Especially 7-8-9-10.
Maybe that is why He told us; "Seek yea first the kingdom of heaven." and gave Peter and us the keys to the kingdom of heaven and not an earthly building.
BVB
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