Skip to comments.Anglicans going to Rome are not "proper Catholics"
Posted on 02/07/2010 12:01:41 PM PST by NYer
The Archbishop of York, Dr John Sentamu, says those Anglicans who respond to Pope Benedict's invitation to join the Catholic Church under the provisions of the new Apostolic Constitution, would not be "proper Catholics". You can listen to the interview in full on this week's Sunday Sequence (Sunday, from 8.30am).
In the same interview, Dr Sentamu also called for the banning of the British National Party and says he is "surprised that Parliament doesn't want to do it." He also says he has "every hope" that [Robert] Mugabe will be gone very soon."
Here's part of the exchange I had with Dr Sentamu on this week's Sunday Sequence:
Archbishop Sentamu: "If people genuinely realise that they want to be Roman Catholic, they should convert properly, and go through catechesis and be made proper Catholics. This kind of creation [the Apostolic Constitution] -- well, all I can say is, we wish them every blessing and may the Lord encourage them. But as far as I am concerned, if I was really, genuinely wanting to convert, I wouldn't go into an Ordinariate. I would actually go into catechesis and become a truly converted Roman Catholic and be accepted."
William Crawley: "So those Anglicans who take advantage of the Apostolic Constitution, you're saying, would not be 'proper Catholics'?"
Archbishop Sentamu: "Well, I mean, I'd be very surprised --"
William Crawley: "What would they be if they are not 'proper Catholics'?"
Archbishop Sentamu: "They would be what they are: an Ordinariate of the Vatican."
William Crawley: "Anglican Émigrés?"
Archbishop Sentamu: "(Laughter) Well, if I was a Roman Catholic bishop and I had this group within my diocese being looked after by an Ordinariate whose reference was back to the Vatican, I'd have to ask a number of questions."
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Catholic / Anglican ping!
Well he’s a bit of a whiner isn’t he?
What does he know about being a proper Catholic that the Pope doesn’t?
The Pope is trying to build bridges to Anglicans and other Christians - with the goal of creating unity, while the Bishop is trying to burn them down.
The fable of the sour grapes comes to mind.
Hey, Sentamu, SHUT UP!
The UK Anglican churches are somewhat unsettled right now, because while they are the de jure center of Anglicanism, the de facto strength of Anglicanism is in Africa. In truth, the UK churches are very conscious of their weakness, and feeling a bit put upon.
That is, as the Pope extended his hand to them, it made them all too aware of their failings. For example, while about 22% (13.4m) of the people in the UK identify themselves as Anglicans, only about 1.7m (out of a population of 61m) of them are churchgoers. There are now more practicing Catholics in the UK than practicing Anglicans.
When I saw the title, I figured it was something posted by one of our “friends” to start some junk.
I am, of course, relieved to find that it is an CofE bishop whining.
Interesting - it was the interviewer who introduced and repeated the phrase “proper Catholics.” Archbishop Sentamu did not use the phrase, and seemed quite hesitant to agree with it, even when pressed.
It’s almost as if the interview wrote the headline in advance and then was determined to elicit his intended words ... and then attributed his own words to the Archbishop when that didn’t work. What a trashy thing to do.
Here's the real problem: Sentamu is a Ugandan, from the Evangelical, low church wing of the Anglicans. He doesn't "get" Catholic issues because they are way out of his orbit. It would be like interviewing the Pope about some internal issue in the Church of Christ.
LOL, like 60% of the Catholic laity in this county.
**Anglicans going to Rome are not “proper Catholics” **
They will be after some adult catechesis and reception into the Church.
Pretty common response.
My wife’s bishop is rumoured to be rather unhappy about this.
The only Piskies who are interested in swimming the Tiber are the 'high churchers' - the low churchers and the Evangelicals are not coming. It would be a total waste of time for high churchers to go to your typical RCIA class, as they already subscribe to 99 and 94/100ths of Catholic doctrine, and in many cases are 'more Roman than Rome', especially since VCII.
In fact, that's the reason that more liberal Catholics are having ten fits about welcoming the Anglicans . . . because these guys are extremely orthodox and conservative and will not support guitar masses, ordination of women, liturgical dance, or fuzzy theology.
When we visited our parish for the first time, we met with the rector and he gave us a number of books to read. When we met with him again, it was plain that the only points on which we had any substantial difference were the validity of Anglican Orders and the supremacy of the Pope. That's true of most high churchers. So we evinced our readiness to adopt the Catholic view . . . I observed that 'by their fruits shall ye know them' and Anglican orders clearly had not worked out or protected that denomination from error, and that Papal supremacy prevented exactly the sort of nonsense that GC 2003 created . . . in other words, adult leadership is a good thing. As my husband said, "We can deal."
We did not go through RCIA and were received into the communion and confirmed by the rector, with the Sunday School director acting as our sponsor.
Besides, we would have annoyed the heck out of everybody else in RCIA talking about finer points of this and that and what the Church Fathers said, while they were learning stuff that we learned in Sunday School 30 years ago.
I’ve read some pieces by the African Bishops in “First Things,” and when I asked sionnsar and Huber about them, they agreed that their experiences were so different that what Archbishop Akinola, for example, thought was “key” about being Anglican was not at all what our Traditional Anglicans would have chosen.
What do you think the author’s point was, here? Just general pot-stirring, down on the CofE, down on RC? Just a jerk?
Well he is a Pom.
That sounds like, “All of the above, and also you can kick him in the knee just on general principles.” One of the “intelligentsia” whom Thomas Sowell makes look like absolute cretins.