Skip to comments.Methodist church 'prepared to go out of existence'
Posted on 02/12/2010 7:55:56 PM PST by ComeUpHigher
Leaders of the Methodist Church yesterday offered to surrender more than 200 years of independence from the Church of England.
They said they were ready to 'cease having a separate existence' and merge with Anglicans to help the cause of Christianity.
The promise, made to the Church of England's parliament, the General Synod, follows two decades of growing anxiety among Methodists over falling membership and its receding influence in society.
Once seen as a pillar of working class culture and a major contributor to the thinking of the Labour Party, the church has seen its membership shrink to just 265,000.
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I have an idea - preach the Word of God!
Amen and again I say Amen!
That seems about right from what I have learned about the integrity of this sect.
Methodism and other Low Church movements did provide a lot of impetus of the reforms we take for granted in the modern world for example, end of slavery. Like most of the Evangelical churches created at this time it was taken over by leftists.
The Methodist Church of England might as well merge with Islam. More honest, and they may even find a wider acceptance.
That is really the sadness about this because the Wesley brothers were famous for their open air sermons and revivals.
Making way for minarets and domes, no doubt.
The United Methodist Church over in the USA doesn’t seem very “evangelical” to me. They aren’t eager to bring guests to the covered dish dinners. It has its share of libs and Dems and seems to be the denomination with the most school teachers. Southern Baptists would fit the “evangelical” description better IMHO; however, there aren’t many liberals I know of who are Baptists.
I had not thought of that aspect but you are correct. Very sad that their blessing has degraded to what is happening today. But when you take your eye off the Word of God that’s what happens.
I wouldn’t assume that Islam is winning over Nth generation Brits away from Christianity.
You are right but when these denominations came into existence in the 18th century they were the Evangelical movement of the time. Somehow churches like the Methodists lost their way and stopped preaching and instead became too enamored with taking up the latest lefist cause.
This is not the Methodist church I know...but Methodist is a branch from The Church of England......I don’t think this story refers to the United Methodist Church outside of England....... so - maybe I’ll read the article and other responses after I hit the post button ....like I usually do.
Perverse post-modern culture has a way of driving some people to Islam. Case and point, Cat Stevens.
Or this guy:
The churches in England need to get out of the ‘class thing’. It’s a big part of the churches there. I know....lived there for almost a decade. Belonged to the Methodist church in my area and was turned off after a few months. “Oh, no, dear. You can’t sit there. Beatrice has ALWAYS sat there for 80 years on THIS pew.” (I was raised a Methodist, chortle.). Then I attempted to join C of E (even had our first born Christened at the local cathedral in our parish). I was quickly told that I could not offer my ‘musical contributions’ until I’d ‘proven myself in church first’.......WHATEVER IN THE HECK that meant. They need to be more welcoming.
Both of ther founders would disown them.
Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them
Eph 5:11 Reprove them - To avoid them is not enough.
2Th 3:14 Have no company with him - No intimacy, no familiarity, no needless correspondence. - John Wesley
methodist ping, thought you might have some input on this.
Didn’t know that, but I do know that the Methodists are very liberal.
An old buddy of mine always said he was an Outdoor Methodist. Hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, etc on Sunday mornings...he got plenty of converts, too.
there arent many liberals I know of who are Baptists.
There's always Jimmy
Kind of like the failing nations of Europe joining together and creating the failing European Union?
How can two organizations that aren't Christian think that their joining together helps the cause of Christianity?
More accurate would be to say that their joining forces helps their shared commitment to discredit and dilute Christianity.
True. But Carter is a BINO.
“a pillar of working class culture and a major contributor to the thinking of the Labour Party..”
Marxists don’t care one iota for useful idiot Christians. Alliance with the dirtbag Labour socialists is a one way ticket to extinction.
Not all of them. Some just like banana pudding.
“Democratic socialists” (or “progressives”, etc) are Marxists who are in denial.
...either that or, as you say, insidious liars and Christianity haters.
There is a lesson here for the ELCA, if they're bright enough to see it.
I still see that as an exception to the rule. ie wierdos.
...and deviled eggs!
I didn’t think of the Methodist church as merging with the Anglicans, but only yesterday, I was praying for them.
All are welcome to come the way of the Catholic Church. Sit down with the priest and get your questions answered......perhaps you have been misinformed by someone who didn’t want you to know the truth about the Catholic Church.
Prayers for all.
Leftists cannot create, but they can destroy.
That is really the sadness about this because the Wesley brothers were
famous for their open air sermons and revivals.
I’m not a Methodist...but do recall that one of the Wesley brothers
recorded in his diary that he was having increasing difficulty getting
out of bed at five AM to get around to give sermons.
And he was about 85 years old at the time.
What kind of radical are you? There’s Causes to be pursued and Social Injustice afoot in the world to be set aright. That’s kind of like preaching the Word of God isn’t it? Isn’t it?
No it is not.
It’s subtle and kinda creeps up on ya. Preaching the word does seem to the last thing some want to do.
those eighteen upon whom the tower fell in Siloe, and slew them: think you, that they also were debtors above all the men that dwelt in Jerusalem? No, I say to you; but except you do penance, you shall all likewise perish (Luke 13)
metanoeo has no resemblance to the meaning of the word 'penance.' It's literal translation means to 'change the mind, to reconsider - be convinced'. In context it's closest approximation in English is 'repent.'
The falling away of the Methodist church in England is sad, but it is a symptom of a greater dissolution in the West and in post-war Europe in particular, where an existential crisis has taken deep root in the form of post-modernism. The church in all her branches has not been exempt from this, either.
Even so, come quickly Lord.
I, like others, still hold to what the Church was and hope to endure until these fads pass. We choose to stay and defend our church home instead of abandoning it.
It will be a close race...
***There is always Jimmy***
Is he trying to baptize a rabbit or is the rabbit trying to baptize Jimmy?
It doesn't have to. The Muslims just need to keep having more children as growing immigrants -- and as growing families to the UK (have you seen the avg. worldwide age of Muslims?...all the while UKians are slowly unreproducing themselves out of eventual existence as a people group
In fact, I would insist that the Catholic translation reflects most accurately the meaning.
It is true, indeed, that “metanoiete” literally means “change your mind”. But so the “Spirit”, “Ruach” means “breath”, “Resurrection” means “stand up again”, etc. We translate meanings, not root components.
So what is the meaning of “metanoiete”? The immediate context in Luke leads up to the parable of the fruitless fig tree; the gardener pledges to apply work to it: dig around it and fertilize it. Next, the pharisees accuse Jesus of what? of working, on a Sabbath. So the immediate context points not to changing of the mind but of physical deeds.
Who said “metanoiete” first? St. John the Baptist. What example did he give? Ascetism: hair shirt, fasting, solitude, the classic forms of penance. Again, the meaning is that we should do something, not just think something.
Jesus Himself showed us not just thoughts but deeds: He fasted, went alone for forty days, climbed mountains to pray, and let His flesh be abused.
But one person, Judas, — he “repented”. Changed his mind.
So, no, Douay is the only translation to read if you read in English. Other translations have merits, especially Catholic ones, but accuracy is not one of them.
First, that is not the only example of penance I gave, and I could give more.
Second, the baptism of St. John, as well as the Christian baptism, is linked to metanoia. In nearly all examples of baptism in the Bible they occur together.
If you wish to argue that what St. John did had no relationship to what he preached, — maybe he liked camel hair! — well, go ahead and argue that. As Catholic, I’ll stick to what the Bible is telling me, and I don’t think the acts of penance done by St. John are there by accident.
Once a church gives up on the inerrancy of scripture, in either thought or deed, then this is always the fate. The gradual takeover of liberal and humanistic philosophy and the subsequent decline and collapse. “Did God really say.....”