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WHO'S WHO IN BIBLE PROPHECY (Who's Right and Who's Wrong)
Sound Christian.com ^ | 2006-2010 | Tim Osterholm

Posted on 02/13/2010 8:07:19 PM PST by bogusname

The individuals listed below are Christians (past and present) who are compassionate about their faith. Some are recognized pastors, scholars and teachers of Bible prophecy and eschatology (study of end-times) who also belong to various denominations. Also listed here are those from pseudo-Christian organizations (so-called Christian groups that adhere to doctrines outside mainstream Christianity). This comprehensive list of individuals is meant to help you identify sound teaching on Bible prophecy and prophecy topics only. Some have devoted their entire lives to teaching Bible prophecy. Not all are always in agreement, and not all are sound in their doctrines. Therefore, study for yourselves, and use this as a guide only.

Though there are many good prophecy teachers, some should be avoided. With that in mind, remember that we are commanded to pray for those whom we take issue with. Please don't confuse this list with those who claim to be prophets or those with prophetic revelations, dreams, visions or other so-called inspired prophecies.

The below "apple" rating is solely for the teaching of Bible prophecy and prophecy topics, not for individual ministries or personal lives of those listed. You might find some listed here who teach sound Bible prophecy, yet to support other doctrines you disagree with. Their teaching on other important Bible doctrines should not necessarily be confused with the comments here. "Wisdom is the principal thing; Therefore get wisdom. And in all your getting, get understanding." Proverbs 4:7.

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1 posted on 02/13/2010 8:07:19 PM PST by bogusname
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To: bogusname

Any such list that has Hal Lindsey as a “good apple” deserves to be laughed out of the room. Hal Lindsey is a fool and a charlatan.


2 posted on 02/13/2010 8:14:42 PM PST by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: bogusname

Thank You, God.


3 posted on 02/13/2010 8:17:45 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (IN A SMALL TENT WE JUST STAND CLOSER! * IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: bogusname
You mean like:
4 posted on 02/13/2010 8:20:43 PM PST by Jemian (Yes, I saw your /s and I understood it. I thought it was needless to say for me.)
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To: xjcsa

The list is 100% accurate.


5 posted on 02/13/2010 8:20:56 PM PST by bogusname (Banish All Liberals)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

LOL!


6 posted on 02/13/2010 8:21:54 PM PST by bogusname (Banish All Liberals)
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To: xjcsa
Any such list that has Hal Lindsey as a “good apple” deserves to be laughed out of the room. Hal Lindsey is a fool and a charlatan.

I agree with your assessment of Lindsey.

However, it should be remembered that Lindsey was personally a student of John Walvoord, the second president of the Dallas Theological Seminary who was the acknowledged dean of Dispensationalist theology until his death in 2002.

Lindsey is a popularizer, like the even more successful Tim LaHaye, but he is a mainstream proponent of DTS theology.

Lindsey is not on the Dispensationalist fringe, but is at the center of the movement.

7 posted on 02/13/2010 8:24:37 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: bogusname

This whole prophecy charade is an embarrasment to Christianity. Stop it already!


8 posted on 02/13/2010 8:31:27 PM PST by grumpa (VP)
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To: bogusname

The list is laughable.


9 posted on 02/13/2010 8:31:59 PM PST by Lee N. Field (Come, behold the works of the LORD, how he has brought desolations on the earth.)
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To: grumpa

Hang on let me delete 25% of the Bible...oh brother.


10 posted on 02/13/2010 8:33:26 PM PST by bogusname (Banish All Liberals)
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To: Lee N. Field

The list is wonderfully true. :-)


11 posted on 02/13/2010 8:35:19 PM PST by bogusname (Banish All Liberals)
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To: bogusname

A true list of what? Party line pop dispensationalists, is what it looks like.


12 posted on 02/13/2010 8:41:11 PM PST by Lee N. Field (Come, behold the works of the LORD, how he has brought desolations on the earth.)
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I’ve heard of some of these of course. When I was young, I did thoroughly enjoy Herbert W. Armstrong’s show. He was very plain spoken and easy to follow. However he is rated, I know that he was a devoted Christian. I didn’t see Joel Osteen on the list and that’s a good thing.


14 posted on 02/13/2010 8:59:32 PM PST by BipolarBob (Gravity. It's not just the law it's a good idea.)
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To: bogusname

Is this a list of modern day prophets or just people you agree with?


15 posted on 02/13/2010 9:07:26 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: wideawake
Lindsey is not on the Dispensationalist fringe, but is at the center of the movement.

That's a very serious - and true - indictment of the Dispensationalist crowd as a whole. The man has proven himself to be a false prophet, yet people still take him seriously; I find that unbelievable.

16 posted on 02/13/2010 9:11:27 PM PST by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: 1010RD

At this point in time there is no such thing as a modern day prophet. The Bible says that there will be two prophets on the scene in the last days but as far as I know they’re not here yet. This is a list of who is preaching sound doctrine, who isn’t and who’s in between.


17 posted on 02/13/2010 9:13:32 PM PST by bogusname (Banish All Liberals)
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To: bogusname
The list is 100% accurate.

Wow, aren't you confident. Of course Hal Lindsey has been just as confident every time he's told us when Jesus was coming back, right up until he was proven wrong. Then he just ignored it and made his next confident prediction.

I guess that's the kind of confidence it takes to get a "good apple" rating on your website.

18 posted on 02/13/2010 9:14:49 PM PST by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: bogusname
This is a list of who is preaching sound doctrine, who isn’t and who’s in between.

No, it's a list of people you agree with (no matter how dishonest they may be) with "green apples" next to them and a list of others (no matter how well-reasoned their positions) with whom you have disagreements.

19 posted on 02/13/2010 9:18:00 PM PST by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: xjcsa

His guesses have been off but then again so have yours on one issue or the other from time to time. As far as the Scriptures are concerned he teaches sound doctrine and likewise preaches salvation through Christ and Christ alone. :-)


20 posted on 02/13/2010 9:18:58 PM PST by bogusname (Banish All Liberals)
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To: bogusname

Thanks.


22 posted on 02/13/2010 9:26:25 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: bogusname
His guesses have been off but then again so have yours on one issue or the other from time to time. As far as the Scriptures are concerned he teaches sound doctrine and likewise preaches salvation through Christ and Christ alone. :-)

His "guesses" have consistently been dead wrong, yet people still take those "guesses" seriously. I don't think such commentary deserves a "green apple."

As for sound doctrine - I would argue that Gary DeMar teaches sound doctrine, but you call him a "bad apple." I can understand that from your point of view, but it would perhaps be more honest to identify that point of view up front, rather than simply representing it as THE "sound" point of view.

23 posted on 02/13/2010 9:26:41 PM PST by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: xjcsa

I’ve met Hal face to face in a small group setting.

He’s neither a fool nor a charlatan.

He is human.

Perhaps you are not?


24 posted on 02/13/2010 9:27:00 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: grumpa

How any Christian can even imagine such an outrageous statement given all the puzzle pieces that have fallen into place since 1948

is beyond even the psychologist part of me.


25 posted on 02/13/2010 9:28:34 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: bogusname
Nah, you’re just a very emotional person.

Wow, that's out of left field, and one of the funnier things I've read in awhile. You obviously don't know me.

You’ll be ok after you’ve had a good nights rest.

I'm perfectly fine now; I have no idea what gives you the idea that I'm expending any emotion on you whatsoever, except perhaps amusement.

That said, I'm probably done with you, for the very reason you quote (Proverbs 26:4).

26 posted on 02/13/2010 9:28:53 PM PST by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: bogusname

Some of the

confuzzed have been sooooooooooooooooo confuzzed soooooooooooo long

they no longer have any working mirrors.


27 posted on 02/13/2010 9:29:29 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: xjcsa

xjcsa you are not considering the very real and solid fact that you don’t know what sound doctrine is. Study the Bible and get your heart right with the Lord and then we’ll talk.


28 posted on 02/13/2010 9:31:56 PM PST by bogusname (Banish All Liberals)
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To: Quix

GBY Quix. Amen


29 posted on 02/13/2010 9:32:52 PM PST by bogusname (Banish All Liberals)
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To: bogusname
xjcsa you are not considering the very real and solid fact that you don’t know what sound doctrine is. Study the Bible and get your heart right with the Lord and then we’ll talk.

Having never met me, and having read only a few sentences that I've written, you know that it's a "real and solid fact" that I don't know what sound doctrine is, and you know that my heart is not right with God. That tells me all I need to know about you.

30 posted on 02/13/2010 9:34:37 PM PST by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: bogusname

I mostly agree with your ratings from a quick scan.

I’d rate Dave Hunt lower and Pat Robertson and David Wilkerson higher.

Good job.

Thx.


31 posted on 02/13/2010 9:36:57 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

I agree, I’m in between with Pat Robertson myself. He has done a lot of good. I understand.

Thanks Quix


32 posted on 02/13/2010 9:38:56 PM PST by bogusname (Banish All Liberals)
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To: bogusname

I just know what it’s like to receive prophetic stuff from Holy Spirit myself.

Sometimes . . . evidently due to being more spiritually kosher or something . . .

I can hear very clearly and accurately without contaminating what I hear with my own notions and stuff.

Other times, I can’t. And if, when I can’t, I’m still brazen enough to pretend I can or even to say—I don’t know but I think God might be trying to encourage us to XYZ . . . then God have mercy . . . it can be a real hodge podge.

It’s not per se because my heart is all horribly sinful or my motives or intentions are evil. It’s just because I’m human and don’t have such a gifting remotely squared away or don’t have my life sufficiently squared away or some such for it to be handled flawlessly.

I haven’t actually met anyone who was perfect about those kinds of things. Some are a lot closer than others, however.

Anyway—as long as there’s a good genuine heart attitude toward God and God’s priorities, I’m happy to extend the Grace I’d like to receive.


33 posted on 02/13/2010 9:49:26 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: bogusname

So none of the Green Apples speak for God? What good are they then? They’re just men.


34 posted on 02/13/2010 9:53:47 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Quix

Wow, that sums up the modern Christian condition very well. God speaks to all of us and the less you’re doing your own thing the easier it is to hear him(I’m paraphrasing).
Thanks for adding light to series of post that are becoming somewhat dim. LOL


35 posted on 02/13/2010 9:59:19 PM PST by bogusname (Banish All Liberals)
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To: bogusname

Thanks for your kind words and reply and your perceptiveness.

God’s best to you.

Headed to bed shortly.


36 posted on 02/13/2010 10:00:21 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

IMHO, when I’ve studied Hal Lindsey, I’ve found doctrine that lifts man up towards God through faith in Christ, while those who are his most deepest adversaries, consistently tend to lower Christ to man.

For this reason, I’ve found it more glorifying to the Son to pay more attention to folks who study Lindsay, through faith in Christ, than those who argue against Lindsay by devotion to a different theology.


37 posted on 02/13/2010 10:05:03 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr

Excellent points.

I don’t know where folks get off thinking that their uhhh . . .

burps don’t stink

as they so eagerly and liberally throw rocks.


38 posted on 02/13/2010 10:17:12 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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This list is primarily a crock - loaded with partially baseless favoritism...

Far too many of the subject comparitives are among mainstream or slightly off-mainstream dispensationalists and folk of other prophetic interpretretive stripes who are near - nutcases.

Not reasonable by objective standards.

This list deserves to be largely ignored especially for its red-apple ‘dissing’ giant Bible scholars like Hank Hanegraaf and Dr. Walter Martin, whose reference books the list maker(s) is/are unworthy to carry.

Probably almost half the familiar names among the “green apples” are hermeneutically sketchy on their better days.

I will exclude certain notables such as John Ankerberg, J. Dwight Pentecost, Randy Alcorn (whom I knew personally), Dr Charles Stanley, Jerry Falwell, Josh McDowell and Charles Swindoll - who I find more sound and measured in their approach and reserved in arriving at conclusions in most situations...

Otherwise, George MacDonald, J.B. Lightfoot (an English relation of mine), Francis Schaeffer and C.S Lewis are quietly weeping over tea in a corner in heaven (or maybe they’re chortling in politely dignified disdain).

A.A.C.


39 posted on 02/13/2010 11:52:43 PM PST by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: Quix
Wilkerson wrote a book back in the late 70's where he discusses a vision that he had. I read it about once a year, and the stuff in it keeps coming true, though with 20/20 hindsight on my part. For instance, he wrote about tv's in every home that were spewing out porno 24/7, available to anyone. Not tv's, but computers and the web. He also wrote of a "hate Christ" movement that coincided with a rebellion against parents. I think we're seeing the prelude to the former, and the latter's picking up steam.

I like Sproul, though I disagree with him on the preterist thing. His book on holiness is great.

40 posted on 02/14/2010 12:12:33 AM PST by Othniel (Meddlng in human affairs for 1/20th of a millennium.......)
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To: Quix
" As they so eagerly and liberally throw rocks. "

As in ? the self righteous religious Pharisees ?
They also didn't believe that Jesus was the Messiah and crucified him.
Just beware of those who attack those who proclaim that Jesus Christ is THE ONLY WAY to heaven, because, they rely on their own self righteous works and deeds to obtain salvation.
41 posted on 02/14/2010 1:39:09 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: bogusname

Great list.

Accurate from my perspective, although I haven’t closely looked at Walter Martin, I did have a more favorable impression of his theology, although not based upon his eschatology. I’m also a little more positive on Jack Van Impe, although the criticism levied might be valid.


42 posted on 02/14/2010 3:59:16 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Othniel

INDEED.

Excellent points on all counts, imho.


43 posted on 02/14/2010 4:19:08 AM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: American Constitutionalist

INDEED.


44 posted on 02/14/2010 4:19:55 AM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Cvengr

Sometimes I don’t know if it’s Jack Van Impe’s . . . zeal . . . or if he really is . . . quite convinced . . . about his own press releases.


45 posted on 02/14/2010 4:21:18 AM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Lee N. Field
"A true list of what? Party line pop dispensationalists, is what it looks like."

That's exactly what it is. Athough I don't necessrily agree with all of what a preterist like Ken Gentry says, he makes a better case for his position than any of the futurists on the list.

46 posted on 02/14/2010 4:50:21 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Othniel
"I like Sproul, though I disagree with him on the preterist thing. His book on holiness is great."

Sproul is a "semi-preterist". He still believes in the future return of Christ. And I agree with you, although I don't agree with all his views on eschatology, he is brilliant reformed theologian.

47 posted on 02/14/2010 4:53:16 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Cvengr

Thanks Cvengr


48 posted on 02/14/2010 5:08:39 AM PST by bogusname (Banish All Liberals)
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To: Just mythoughts
Many, many years ago I called into Hal Linsdey’s radio show. I asked him why Christians ignored that the only place the busy little fingers put Easter in the Bible instead of the word actually used Passover. He told me if was for the children, so as to not be left out of all the hunting eggs, and dressing up that Easter has come to be.

Even Paul, which some have unsoundly used to dream up a rapture theory says we are to ICorinthians 5:7-8 keep the passover, and Paul never ever kept the holiday of Easter.

Christ Himself quotes Daniel in Matthew 24:21 and the very next utterance penned is Matthew 24:22 And except those *days* be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: *but* for the elect’s sake those *days* shall be shortened....

But all I keep hearing/reading is 7 years, 7 years,.......

I could go on and on and on and on wherein unsound doctrine has been produced that ignores the instruction Scripture gives from the ‘beginning’... Genesis 1:1 all the way through Revelation 22:21.

Christ did say these things need be.

49 posted on 02/14/2010 5:21:12 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: bogusname
No, you’re simply not taking into account your state of confusion. Figure that in as well and then it will make perfectly good sense.

Any list that puts a green smiley by the likes of Chuck Missler and UFO paranoiac L. A. Marzulli, and a big red frownie beside R. C. Sproul, should be rethought. Discarded. Mocked.

50 posted on 02/14/2010 5:43:58 AM PST by Lee N. Field (Come, behold the works of the LORD, how he has brought desolations on the earth.)
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