Skip to comments.WHO'S WHO IN BIBLE PROPHECY (Who's Right and Who's Wrong)
Posted on 02/13/2010 8:07:19 PM PST by bogusname
The individuals listed below are Christians (past and present) who are compassionate about their faith. Some are recognized pastors, scholars and teachers of Bible prophecy and eschatology (study of end-times) who also belong to various denominations. Also listed here are those from pseudo-Christian organizations (so-called Christian groups that adhere to doctrines outside mainstream Christianity). This comprehensive list of individuals is meant to help you identify sound teaching on Bible prophecy and prophecy topics only. Some have devoted their entire lives to teaching Bible prophecy. Not all are always in agreement, and not all are sound in their doctrines. Therefore, study for yourselves, and use this as a guide only.
Though there are many good prophecy teachers, some should be avoided. With that in mind, remember that we are commanded to pray for those whom we take issue with. Please don't confuse this list with those who claim to be prophets or those with prophetic revelations, dreams, visions or other so-called inspired prophecies.
The below "apple" rating is solely for the teaching of Bible prophecy and prophecy topics, not for individual ministries or personal lives of those listed. You might find some listed here who teach sound Bible prophecy, yet to support other doctrines you disagree with. Their teaching on other important Bible doctrines should not necessarily be confused with the comments here. "Wisdom is the principal thing; Therefore get wisdom. And in all your getting, get understanding." Proverbs 4:7.
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Any such list that has Hal Lindsey as a “good apple” deserves to be laughed out of the room. Hal Lindsey is a fool and a charlatan.
Thank You, God.
The list is 100% accurate.
I agree with your assessment of Lindsey.
However, it should be remembered that Lindsey was personally a student of John Walvoord, the second president of the Dallas Theological Seminary who was the acknowledged dean of Dispensationalist theology until his death in 2002.
Lindsey is a popularizer, like the even more successful Tim LaHaye, but he is a mainstream proponent of DTS theology.
Lindsey is not on the Dispensationalist fringe, but is at the center of the movement.
This whole prophecy charade is an embarrasment to Christianity. Stop it already!
The list is laughable.
Hang on let me delete 25% of the Bible...oh brother.
The list is wonderfully true. :-)
A true list of what? Party line pop dispensationalists, is what it looks like.
I’ve heard of some of these of course. When I was young, I did thoroughly enjoy Herbert W. Armstrong’s show. He was very plain spoken and easy to follow. However he is rated, I know that he was a devoted Christian. I didn’t see Joel Osteen on the list and that’s a good thing.
Is this a list of modern day prophets or just people you agree with?
That's a very serious - and true - indictment of the Dispensationalist crowd as a whole. The man has proven himself to be a false prophet, yet people still take him seriously; I find that unbelievable.
At this point in time there is no such thing as a modern day prophet. The Bible says that there will be two prophets on the scene in the last days but as far as I know they’re not here yet. This is a list of who is preaching sound doctrine, who isn’t and who’s in between.
Wow, aren't you confident. Of course Hal Lindsey has been just as confident every time he's told us when Jesus was coming back, right up until he was proven wrong. Then he just ignored it and made his next confident prediction.
I guess that's the kind of confidence it takes to get a "good apple" rating on your website.
No, it's a list of people you agree with (no matter how dishonest they may be) with "green apples" next to them and a list of others (no matter how well-reasoned their positions) with whom you have disagreements.
His guesses have been off but then again so have yours on one issue or the other from time to time. As far as the Scriptures are concerned he teaches sound doctrine and likewise preaches salvation through Christ and Christ alone. :-)
His "guesses" have consistently been dead wrong, yet people still take those "guesses" seriously. I don't think such commentary deserves a "green apple."
As for sound doctrine - I would argue that Gary DeMar teaches sound doctrine, but you call him a "bad apple." I can understand that from your point of view, but it would perhaps be more honest to identify that point of view up front, rather than simply representing it as THE "sound" point of view.
I’ve met Hal face to face in a small group setting.
He’s neither a fool nor a charlatan.
He is human.
Perhaps you are not?
How any Christian can even imagine such an outrageous statement given all the puzzle pieces that have fallen into place since 1948
is beyond even the psychologist part of me.
Wow, that's out of left field, and one of the funnier things I've read in awhile. You obviously don't know me.
Youll be ok after youve had a good nights rest.
I'm perfectly fine now; I have no idea what gives you the idea that I'm expending any emotion on you whatsoever, except perhaps amusement.
That said, I'm probably done with you, for the very reason you quote (Proverbs 26:4).
Some of the
confuzzed have been sooooooooooooooooo confuzzed soooooooooooo long
they no longer have any working mirrors.
xjcsa you are not considering the very real and solid fact that you don’t know what sound doctrine is. Study the Bible and get your heart right with the Lord and then we’ll talk.
GBY Quix. Amen
Having never met me, and having read only a few sentences that I've written, you know that it's a "real and solid fact" that I don't know what sound doctrine is, and you know that my heart is not right with God. That tells me all I need to know about you.
I mostly agree with your ratings from a quick scan.
I’d rate Dave Hunt lower and Pat Robertson and David Wilkerson higher.
I agree, I’m in between with Pat Robertson myself. He has done a lot of good. I understand.
I just know what it’s like to receive prophetic stuff from Holy Spirit myself.
Sometimes . . . evidently due to being more spiritually kosher or something . . .
I can hear very clearly and accurately without contaminating what I hear with my own notions and stuff.
Other times, I can’t. And if, when I can’t, I’m still brazen enough to pretend I can or even to say—I don’t know but I think God might be trying to encourage us to XYZ . . . then God have mercy . . . it can be a real hodge podge.
It’s not per se because my heart is all horribly sinful or my motives or intentions are evil. It’s just because I’m human and don’t have such a gifting remotely squared away or don’t have my life sufficiently squared away or some such for it to be handled flawlessly.
I haven’t actually met anyone who was perfect about those kinds of things. Some are a lot closer than others, however.
Anyway—as long as there’s a good genuine heart attitude toward God and God’s priorities, I’m happy to extend the Grace I’d like to receive.
So none of the Green Apples speak for God? What good are they then? They’re just men.
Wow, that sums up the modern Christian condition very well. God speaks to all of us and the less you’re doing your own thing the easier it is to hear him(I’m paraphrasing).
Thanks for adding light to series of post that are becoming somewhat dim. LOL
Thanks for your kind words and reply and your perceptiveness.
God’s best to you.
Headed to bed shortly.
IMHO, when I’ve studied Hal Lindsey, I’ve found doctrine that lifts man up towards God through faith in Christ, while those who are his most deepest adversaries, consistently tend to lower Christ to man.
For this reason, I’ve found it more glorifying to the Son to pay more attention to folks who study Lindsay, through faith in Christ, than those who argue against Lindsay by devotion to a different theology.
I don’t know where folks get off thinking that their uhhh . . .
burps don’t stink
as they so eagerly and liberally throw rocks.
This list is primarily a crock - loaded with partially baseless favoritism...
Far too many of the subject comparitives are among mainstream or slightly off-mainstream dispensationalists and folk of other prophetic interpretretive stripes who are near - nutcases.
Not reasonable by objective standards.
This list deserves to be largely ignored especially for its red-apple ‘dissing’ giant Bible scholars like Hank Hanegraaf and Dr. Walter Martin, whose reference books the list maker(s) is/are unworthy to carry.
Probably almost half the familiar names among the “green apples” are hermeneutically sketchy on their better days.
I will exclude certain notables such as John Ankerberg, J. Dwight Pentecost, Randy Alcorn (whom I knew personally), Dr Charles Stanley, Jerry Falwell, Josh McDowell and Charles Swindoll - who I find more sound and measured in their approach and reserved in arriving at conclusions in most situations...
Otherwise, George MacDonald, J.B. Lightfoot (an English relation of mine), Francis Schaeffer and C.S Lewis are quietly weeping over tea in a corner in heaven (or maybe they’re chortling in politely dignified disdain).
I like Sproul, though I disagree with him on the preterist thing. His book on holiness is great.
Accurate from my perspective, although I haven’t closely looked at Walter Martin, I did have a more favorable impression of his theology, although not based upon his eschatology. I’m also a little more positive on Jack Van Impe, although the criticism levied might be valid.
Excellent points on all counts, imho.
Sometimes I don’t know if it’s Jack Van Impe’s . . . zeal . . . or if he really is . . . quite convinced . . . about his own press releases.
That's exactly what it is. Athough I don't necessrily agree with all of what a preterist like Ken Gentry says, he makes a better case for his position than any of the futurists on the list.
Sproul is a "semi-preterist". He still believes in the future return of Christ. And I agree with you, although I don't agree with all his views on eschatology, he is brilliant reformed theologian.
Even Paul, which some have unsoundly used to dream up a rapture theory says we are to ICorinthians 5:7-8 keep the passover, and Paul never ever kept the holiday of Easter.
Christ Himself quotes Daniel in Matthew 24:21 and the very next utterance penned is Matthew 24:22 And except those *days* be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: *but* for the elect’s sake those *days* shall be shortened....
But all I keep hearing/reading is 7 years, 7 years,.......
I could go on and on and on and on wherein unsound doctrine has been produced that ignores the instruction Scripture gives from the ‘beginning’... Genesis 1:1 all the way through Revelation 22:21.
Christ did say these things need be.
No, youre simply not taking into account your state of confusion. Figure that in as well and then it will make perfectly good sense.