Skip to comments.The Lady of Fatima: Has Mary Appeared in Visions?
Posted on 02/19/2010 11:32:44 PM PST by bogusname
THE LADY OF FATIMA- Introduction Some Roman Catholics believe that Mary, the mother of Christ, has actually appeared to people in places like Fatima and Medjugorje. Well, did she?
THE LADY OF FATIMA- Biblical? In evaluating the alleged appearances of Mary, our primary concern would be to determine whether these apparitions are indeed biblical. Interestingly enough, these Marian apparitions (as they are commonly referred to) are inextricably woven together with the official Catholic teachings about Mary which, by the way, is known as Mariology. In fact, it would be fair to say that Catholic Mariology is the very foundation of Marian apparitions. Its been well said that a structure is only as solid as its foundation; and in looking at Marian apparitions, we need to examine the integrity of this whole concept referred to as Catholic Mariology.
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I don’t know why you insist on trying to post a viewpoint about a Catholic subject when it seems you could use a little bit more background understanding.
Fatima and the Theology of the Body: Part II
Fatima and Akita
Fatima and the Theology of the Body: Part I
The Story of Fatima -- Part 2
The Story of Faitma -- Part 1
Our Lady of Fatima, May 13
Litany of Our Lady of Fatima
Last Fatima child buried in final resting place (Sr. Maria's remains transferred to Fatima)
Sister Lucia, last remaining witness of Fatima apparitions, dies at 97
SISTER LUCIA RIP
LAST OF CHILDREN WHO CLAIMED TO SEE VIRGIN MARY DIES AT 97
Last child who claimed to see "Virgin Mary" dies
Virgin Mary Child Dies (Lucia of Fatima)
Mourning for Fatima seer (Portugal declares day of mourning)
Third Secret of Fatima is not fully revealed.
Sister Lucia, last remaining witness of Fatima apparitions, dies at 97
Sr. Lucia, Fatima, and Islam
Mystery Fatima: Death of Lucia Accents Famed Secrets & Area's Hidden History
"No More Secrets," Visionary Said in 2001 (Sr. Lucia Confirmed Russia Consecrated to Mary)
Papal praise at Sister Lucia's funeral
Our Lady of Fatima, counterrevolutionary and ecumenical
Fatima Statue Due at Vatican to Mark a Fateful Day 25 Years After Attempt on John Paul II's Life
Sister Lucia's Unpublished Writings Released - Visionary Reflects on Marian Apparitions
Sister Lucia's Last Moments
Fatima: Case Closed
Rosary Rallies Planned for Fatima Anniversary [Catholic Caucus]
Giant new church at Fatima shrine
Sister Lucia's Beatification Process to Begin ( Pope Waves 5-Year Waiting Period)
The faithful remember miracle of Fatima, Thousands gather in Washington Twp. on 90th anniversary
Pius XII Saw "Miracle of the Sun" [Catholic Caucus]
Thanks for the links.
Some people say the Third Secret has not been fully made public due to its content on the end of the world.
Lucia herself is reported to have explicitly stated that the Third Secret contains Apocalyptic content. According to one source, when Lucia was asked about the Third Secret, she said it was “in the Gospel and in the Apocalypse”, and at one point she had even specified Apocalypse chapters 8 to 13, a range that includes Apocalypse 12:4/
I tend to think that too. Part of it, as I understand it, showed a man in white (the Pope) with a lot of dead bodies around him. He was climbing a hill.
Many have said that the picture represented the attempted assasination of Pope John Paul II.
There just seems to be more than we really know right now.
BTW, the message of Fatima to the three children — Pray the Rosary daily for peace. Very simple message.
Why is it that so many people who claim not to believe in the authority of the Catholic Church cling to the writings that were produced by members of the Catholic Church, used in the liturgy of the Catholic Church, collected by the Catholic Church, and defined by the Catholic Church to be inspired and inerrant?
But the last Pope is supposed to be a fraudulent Pope, even anti-Pope.
I have even deeper and much more complicated questions.
Yes. We are still heading to the end times.
” Just what are we to make of these pronouncements? First of all, theyre non-biblical, as these dogmas have absolutely no scriptural support.”
I do think there was and has been a type of prestige for having writings handed down over the generations in the Catholic church...the popular thing to do like professors in colleges etc. do...or scientists do today...much of their “fame” is not that they teach but what they write. In fact most believe what they write is far more important than what they teach. I think in the Catholic Church...for centuries....it has been the same type of mindset.
Also the Catholic Church is big on storing all these writings, as different authors build their writings on top of the others who preceded them. Like a major library of their theological thoughts mingled with history as they saw it and wanted to believe it as.
The Greeks did this as well...they enjoyed hanging out with one another and have intellectual intercourse of their thoughts and writings. We have many of their writings as well. Mohammad did that too only his was to create his very own personal religion using Jewish beliefs and tweaked it to suit his culture and what he wanted to instill in his followers...even to making his own book and claiming it Holy...and from the pagan god of that time. Many other faiths over the years have in a sense high-jacked the faith to meet their own idea of what that should be...and they still do it today. They all believe they are right too...or found the “missing” book or had it delivered to them...or some were “lost”. Then each tweaks it to suit them in order to distinguish it's real “truth” from all the others....and writes today their own writings only they are called books today.
Arthur is referring to the Gospels, and to all those other books defined by the Catholic Church to be inspired and inerrant. We call that scripture 'the Bible'.
There's a reason why the Aquarian Gospel, the Babylonian Gospel and all those other Gnostic gospels aren't in the Bible. It's because the Catholic Church rejected them.
There are many outside of the formal Catholic Church who yet cling to the Bible, the body of scripture that the Church has declared inerrant. They implicitly trust the choices made by the Church, on the authority given it by Christ.
Ratzinger has given what must be the definitive answer on this. From an interview:
"Cardinal Ratzinger, have you read what is called the Third Secret of Fatima: i.e., the one that Sister Lucia had sent to Pope John XXIII and which the latter did not wish to make known and consigned to the Vatican archives?"
(In reply, Cardinal Ratzinger said)
"Yes, I have read it,"
(which frank response provoked a further question)
"Why has it not been revealed?"
(To this the Cardinal gave the following most instructive reply)
"Because, according to the judgement of the Popes, it adds nothing (literally 'nothing different') to what a Christian must know concerning what derives from Revelation: i.e., a radical call for conversion; the absolute importance of history; the dangers threatening the faith and the life of the Christian, and therefore of the world. And then the importance of the 'novissimi' (the last events at the end of time). If it is not made public - at least for the time being - it is in order to prevent religious prophecy from being mistaken for a quest for the sensational (literally: 'for sensationalism'). But the things contained in this 'Third Secret' correspond to what has been announced in Scripture and has been said again and again in many other Marian apparations, first of all that of Fatima in what is already known of what its message contains. Conversion and penitence are the essential conditions for 'salvation'."
--November 11, 1984 issue of Jesus magazine
Thanks to Canticle_of_Deborah for first posting the above
For the same reasons I don't believe in the Izlamic religion, or the Mormon religion, or the Buddhist religion...
Why would your religion falsely claim to write the scriptures and then make mincemeat out of trying to understand and teach it??? And why would your religion claim to write the scriptures when the scriptures condemn your religion in so many places???
These apparitions are not from God.
Those apparitions predicted the start of World War II 30 years ahead of it, of which there is excellent documentation. You may want to look into that before passing judgement.
Also, Mariology does have a very strong basis in church tradition. We Catholics view sacred tradition as just as important as the bible. If “sola scriptura” was to be the entire basis of a religion why doesn’t it clearly say to rely only and exclusively on the bible anywhere in the bible?
And the owners were blessed by someone purchasing this for $10,000. If that isn't a miracle I don't know what is.