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Catholic vs. Protestant - why is there so much animosity?
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Posted on 02/22/2010 10:21:17 AM PST by Between the Lines

Question: "Catholic vs. Protestant - why is there so much animosity?"

Answer: This is a simple question with a complicated answer, because there are varying degrees of, and reasons for, animosity between any two religious groups. This particular battle is rooted in history. Degrees of reaction have ranged from friendly disagreement (as reflected in the numerous ecumenical dialogues produced between the two groups), to outright persecution and murder of Protestants at the hands of Rome. Reformation teachings that identify the Pope as the Beast of Revelation and / or Roman Catholicism as Mystery Babylon are still common among Protestants. Clearly, anyone with this view is not going to “warm up” to Rome any time soon.

For the most part, today at least, most of the animosity comes from basic human nature when dealing with fundamental disagreement over eternal truths. Passions are sure to ignite in the more weighty matters of life, and one's faith is (or at least should be) at the top of the heap. Many Protestants think Roman Catholics teach a works-gospel that cannot save, while Roman Catholics think Protestants teach easy-believism that requires nothing more than an emotional outburst brought on by manipulative preaching. Protestants blame Catholics for worshipping Mary and Catholics think Protestants are apparently too dull to understand the distinctions Rome has made in this regard. These caricatures are often difficult to overcome.

Behind the particular disagreements over the role of faith and works, the sacraments, the canon of Scripture, the role of the priesthood, prayers to saints, and all the issues surrounding Mary and the Pope, etc., lies the biggest rift between Roman Catholicism and Protestantism: the issue of authority. How one answers the authority question will generally solve all the others. When it comes down to deciding a theological issue about defined Catholic dogma, there isn’t really much to discuss on the Catholic's side because once Rome speaks, it is settled. This is a problem when trying to debate a Roman Catholic - reason and Scripture are not the Catholic’s final authority, they can always retreat into the “safe zone” of Roman Catholic authority.

Thus, many of the arguments between a Protestant and a Catholic will revolve around one's “private interpretation” of Scripture as against the "official teachings of the Roman Catholic Church." Catholics claim to successfully avoid the legitimate problems of private interpretation by their reliance on their tradition. But this merely pushes the question back a step. The truth is that both Roman Catholics and Protestants must, in the end, rely upon their reasoning abilities (to choose their authority) and their interpretive skills (to understand what that authority teaches) in order to determine what they will believe. Protestants are simply more willing to admit that this is the case.

Both sides can also be fiercely loyal to their family's faith or the church they grew up in without much thought to doctrinal arguments. Obviously there are a lot of possible reasons, and while we should not divide over secondary issues, both sides agree that we must divide when it comes to primary issues. Beyond that, we can agree to disagree and worship where we find ourselves most in agreement. When it comes to Roman Catholicism and Protestantism, the differences are just too great to ignore. However, that does not give license for caricatures or ignorant judgments - both sides need to be honest in their assessments and try not go beyond what God has revealed.


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1 posted on 02/22/2010 10:21:17 AM PST by Between the Lines
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To: Between the Lines

People need drama in their lives?


2 posted on 02/22/2010 10:22:07 AM PST by Obadiah (Democrats and their life partners, the MSM)
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To: Obadiah

Exactly.


3 posted on 02/22/2010 10:23:04 AM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Between the Lines

I’ve never experienced it much. Part of my family is Catholic.


4 posted on 02/22/2010 10:23:45 AM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin!)
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To: Between the Lines

Most Protestants don’t understand their history and how the Protestant and Episcopalian movements started.

As a Protestant, I have no problem with the Catholics. Heck, they are the progenitors of all other New Testament Religions and from that well spring, we should learn from them while also holding our value system for worship.


5 posted on 02/22/2010 10:24:53 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Between the Lines

Animosity? Says who?


6 posted on 02/22/2010 10:25:09 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Between the Lines
I would say that at this time, animosity between protestants and catholics is at or near an alltime low. The real divide is between revisionist and orthodox Christians within the several denominations, and between Christians as a whole and seculars.
7 posted on 02/22/2010 10:25:35 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Obadiah

There is not much animosity anymore. Not given the last two Popes who have proclaimed loudly as Paul said, “I preach Christ crucified”. The last two Popes actually believe in scripture strongly and haven’t gotten caught up in the PC disaster that has doomed several protestant denominations.

The problem of course from the beginning is having a Pope to begin with. Having a human being between you and Christ. Protestants believe it is not necessary. There is the rub.


8 posted on 02/22/2010 10:25:50 AM PST by Patrick1
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To: Between the Lines
I only see it here, on FR.

Like much on the internet, people will say things they'd never dare to say to someone in person.

9 posted on 02/22/2010 10:27:10 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (One good thing about music, when it hits you feel no pain.)
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To: Patrick1

I think most of us Protestants have a great deal of respect for the Pope. We listen to what he has to say and may or may not agree with him.


10 posted on 02/22/2010 10:27:49 AM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin!)
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To: Between the Lines

I’ve been a “protestant” my entire life and I have ZERO animosity toward Catholics as a group. Certain individuals of various religious stripes are a different matter.


11 posted on 02/22/2010 10:27:52 AM PST by DesertSapper (God, Family, Country . . . . . . . . . . and dead terrorists!!!)
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To: Between the Lines

Are you going to explain the differences or is this a thought provoking piece?

It would help others to explain the differences in particular areas such catecism, Apostles Creed and even the whole praying to Mary thing.

I myself have not put much thought into as I accept the Catholics as Christians and a unique franchise within the body of Christ.


12 posted on 02/22/2010 10:29:07 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Between the Lines
Question: "Catholic vs. Protestant - why is there so much animosity?"

Answer: ...

Methinks that's the problem right there: enthusiasm to declare such answers, unbidden, unto judgement of others.

BTW: mea culpa.

13 posted on 02/22/2010 10:31:57 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Pelosi is practically President; the Obama is just her talk show host.)
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To: Between the Lines

I’ve been in ministry for 14 years, 6 as a Military chaplain. I don’t think Christians are spending a whole lot of time worrying about these things. I think most think of Catholics and Protestants as just different flavors of Christianity.


14 posted on 02/22/2010 10:39:31 AM PST by bethelgrad (Chaplain serving my beloved Marine Corps in Iraq)
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To: Vendome
It would help others to explain the differences in particular areas such catecism, Apostles Creed and even the whole praying to Mary thing.

It would be of more help to explain the similarities.

15 posted on 02/22/2010 10:39:34 AM PST by Between the Lines (AreYouWhoYouSayYouAre? Esse Quam Videri - To Be, Rather Than To Seem)
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To: Obadiah

That, the need to be right, and the convenient fact that no one’s faith can really be proven to be correct or not.


16 posted on 02/22/2010 10:43:39 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: Between the Lines

Our society itself is constantly attacking Catholicism. I’d wager if you haven’t noticed this you are not Catholic.

As a non-denominational Protestant most of my adult life, I was amazed when I and my family converted over a decade ago at the level of antagonism. I agree with Newman on this that such hostility simply indicates ignorance.

And attacks on Mary is just school kids insulting each other’s mom.


17 posted on 02/22/2010 10:43:59 AM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (To those who believe the world was safer with Saddam, get treatment for that!)
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To: Between the Lines

I’m Roman Catholic but Protestant on my dad’s side and I see no such animosity.


18 posted on 02/22/2010 10:44:21 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: Between the Lines

I blame the Zoroastrians...


19 posted on 02/22/2010 10:45:26 AM PST by Andonius_99 (There are two sides to every issue. One is right, the other is wrong; but the middle is always evil.)
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To: bethelgrad

I am from a Catholic family. I have a brother and sister who changed and became “Born Again Christians” They told my parents because they were Catholics they were not saved and they were going to Hell. My Parents never missed going to mass every Sunday and made all my siblings attend church. It was something that hurt my parents till they passed away. I am certain there are Freepers on this forum who believe the same.


20 posted on 02/22/2010 10:46:35 AM PST by Paratrooper
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

Converts here too — What I notice is news media constantly attacking Catholicism, in many different ways.

There is a target on the Catholic Church as there is on Rush, on Sarah Palin, on Dr. Laura — the Prophets who speak the Truth. The Protestant denominations are not huge, therefore they are less of a threat; they do not make a huge target in the way the Catholic Church does.

Satan hates the Truth.


21 posted on 02/22/2010 10:49:42 AM PST by bboop (We don't need no stinkin' VAT)
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To: Between the Lines

22 posted on 02/22/2010 10:51:39 AM PST by AdamBomb
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To: Vendome
As a Protestant, I have no problem with the Catholics. Heck, they are the progenitors of all other New Testament Religions and from that well spring, we should learn from them while also holding our value system for worship

And as a Catholic, I admire (and desire) to have the same degree of biblical devotion that mainline Protestant denominations emphasize.

And I recognize that the real enemies are militant atheists, intrusion of modernism/liberalism into Christian practices, blatant attacks on Christianity, restictions on worship, and in some parts of the world - the advance of radical Islam.

23 posted on 02/22/2010 10:52:07 AM PST by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: Between the Lines

Why d’ya think they call themselves ‘Protesters’?


24 posted on 02/22/2010 10:53:14 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Patrick1

“The problem of course from the beginning is having a Pope to begin with. Having a human being between you and Christ. Protestants believe it is not necessary. There is the rub.”

I think the rub is the prominence of Scripture. Protestants put Scripture above all else for matters of faith and practice. Roman Catholics place the Pope’s interpretation of Scripture above all else for matters of faith and practice.

All differences flow from that, as I see it. When we argue about this sacrament or that doctrine, the Protestant appeals to a verse from the Bible, or a group of verses. The Roman Catholic appeals to the Pope’s or the Holy See’s statements. Then we are at an impasse.

That’s why the big cry of the Reformation was, “Sola Scriptura.” (Scripture alone)

I say this without hatred, by the way.


25 posted on 02/22/2010 10:53:42 AM PST by Persevero (Satan tries to separate what God puts together and join together what God separates.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
I only see it here, on FR. Like much on the internet, people will say things they'd never dare to say to someone in person.

You make a good point, but just because it is mostly done anonymously on the internet doesn't mean that animosity doesn't exist. It just means that people are less willing to be confrontational about it face to face.

26 posted on 02/22/2010 10:57:37 AM PST by Between the Lines (AreYouWhoYouSayYouAre? Esse Quam Videri - To Be, Rather Than To Seem)
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To: Paratrooper

I have a friend who became a born again Christian and her Catholic mother tells her constantly that she is going to Hell. It goes both ways.


27 posted on 02/22/2010 11:02:47 AM PST by Spudx7
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To: Paratrooper

I’m sorry your family had to endure that. I think people can get awfully insensitive when they experience growth in their faith, ironically. I came from a non-religious family, became a Christian, and harassed my parents for a long time. I’ve mellowed out over the years and have learned to accept people where they are without trying to change them. Maybe that’s why I like being a military chaplain—I don’t have to worry about expanding my little piece of the theological pie. As a side note, I’ve ministered to many Catholics, especially in Iraq or in the field, and I’ve noticed a tremendous openness to other Christians on their part. Of course they’d prefer a priest who can say Mass, but they still come to my services and even recieve communion from my hand. They believe in Jesus and that’s good enough for me.


28 posted on 02/22/2010 11:05:11 AM PST by bethelgrad (Chaplain serving my beloved Marine Corps in Iraq)
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To: Between the Lines

There really shouldn’t be much, if any, debate between Protestants and Catholics about doctrine. If one claims that scripture is the final authority and the other claims that tradition holds the final authority then there’s really nothing to discuss. There’s no common authoritative source so trying to “prove” something is fruitless unless one grants tradition or the other grants scripture.


29 posted on 02/22/2010 11:06:26 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Between the Lines

Can’t all us Christians just get along so we can bash the Muslims together?


30 posted on 02/22/2010 11:06:47 AM PST by strider44
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To: hinckley buzzard

You, sir, have hit the nail on the head.


31 posted on 02/22/2010 11:08:12 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Vendome
...even the whole praying to Mary thing

Praying THROUGH Mary, not to.

32 posted on 02/22/2010 11:10:50 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Between the Lines
Never experience the animosity in my family. My Mom had a Catholic Mom and a Protestant Dad.
They had an agreement between them. The first child would be raised Catholic, the next Protestant and so on. They had 12 kids all together. My Mom just happen to fall in with the Protestant six.
I am very aware of the doctrine differences between the two, but who am I to judge who is right or wrong? I'll attend the church I feel fits my spiritual need the best which happens to be The Evangelical Presbyterian Church, and I'll let God do the judging.
I have too many more important things to do that to spend my time worrying about the doctrine of other churches. But sadly others thinks its the most important thing. I have an older sister that calls my church “baby Christians” because we don't speak in tongues. That's the kind of silliness that happens even within the Protestant churches.
33 posted on 02/22/2010 11:18:43 AM PST by NavyCanDo (Palin 2012 Teleprompter Not Required)
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To: Spudx7

Some people need Hell as a place in which they may take solace as the destination of their enemies.


34 posted on 02/22/2010 11:32:25 AM PST by Erasmus (Armageddon sentimental over you.)
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To: Between the Lines
Oh, I engage in "the disputed questions" as much as anybody, but without animosity. I hope!

Some of the FREEKIN SQUEEKIN FREEPER FREEKOUTS ON RELIGION are downright disedifyin', but I've finally learned to bow out before it gets to that point for the most part. I am mighty appreciative of people who competently explain their principles, and have the courtesy of listening to others who do the same.

Having most of the principal "flavors" of Christianity all in my immediate family (Catholic, Southern Baptist, Russian Orthodox, and more!) I find great peace in our shared and heartfelt conviction that "any friend of Jesus is a friend of mine."

35 posted on 02/22/2010 11:42:34 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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To: Paratrooper

Is one of them named Star Traveler?


36 posted on 02/22/2010 11:51:31 AM PST by CalvaryJohn (What is keeping that damned asteroid?)
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To: hinckley buzzard

As a Catholic I would disagree with you. Even here at FR I’ve been told that I was going to h*ll because I was Catholic and I’ll tell you there is nothing like being a 6 yo coming out of mass and being told that by adults that you pass on the sidewalk as they come out of their next door Prostestant church!


37 posted on 02/22/2010 12:00:30 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: Andonius_99

Good thinking.


38 posted on 02/22/2010 12:17:55 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Between the Lines

People always get emotional about things they care about. Sisters will fight over their dead mother’s mirror, and all because they each were jealous of the mother’s love way back when. Have a look at the fury of the religious wars begun by the Reformation. Greeks still hate Roman Catholicism for the sack of Constantinople in 1204. Christians still hate Jews, and vice versa because of Jesus.


39 posted on 02/22/2010 1:16:39 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: Between the Lines; Kitty Mittens; drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; Gamecock; ...
2nd. KUDOS of the day BTL!

"When it comes to Roman Catholicism and Protestantism, the differences are just too great to ignore. However, that does not give license for caricatures or ignorant judgments - both sides need to be honest in their assessments and try not go beyond what God has revealed."

This exact topic was a subject that was part of yesterday's afternoon worship. The issue of discension amongst denominations occur when men with sin diseased minds and tougues effect the Body of Christ. My assembly has been taught that when you disparage another believer or denomination for any matter that is not Biblical truth then you are a "pharisee" and your faux criticism is offered merely to justify a self righteous love affair.

I clearly stated that my choice for a ally, would be one Jesus loving member of the Roman denomination with a rosary hanging around his neck and a Saint Michael prayer card in his pocket then 10,000 idiots following the authors of "your best bowel movement now" or "a purpose driven grocery list".

The devil does not concern himself with dividing the Church, because there in enough jerks on both sides of the camp doing His filthy work.

Soli Deo Gloria!

40 posted on 02/22/2010 1:42:14 PM PST by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: Between the Lines

It has nothing to do with being Christian, and everything to do with power and control.

One side lost control in the Great Schism (you decide which), then Rome lost control over the Protestants.

Then the Protestants lost control over the Anabaptists. Any wonder why there is, in the Geneva Bible, a prayer against both the Papists and the Anabaptists?


41 posted on 02/22/2010 2:01:19 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Trailerpark Badass
I only see it here, on FR. Like much on the internet, people will say things they'd never dare to say to someone in person.

Absolutely. That's why I quit reading on the Religion Forum - too few people who bothered to act like Christians on either side.

42 posted on 02/22/2010 2:20:39 PM PST by Terabitten (Vets wrote a blank check, payable to the Constitution, for an amount up to and including their life.)
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To: strider44
Can’t all us Christians just get along so we can bash the Muslims together?

Now that's an enemy worth fighting.

43 posted on 02/22/2010 2:23:08 PM PST by Terabitten (Vets wrote a blank check, payable to the Constitution, for an amount up to and including their life.)
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To: alpha-8-25-02
I clearly stated that my choice for a ally, would be one Jesus loving member of the Roman denomination with a rosary hanging around his neck and a Saint Michael prayer card in his pocket then 10,000 idiots following the authors of "your best bowel movement now" or "a purpose driven grocery list".

The single funniest thing I've read all week -- and I agree wholeheartedly!

44 posted on 02/22/2010 2:25:54 PM PST by Terabitten (Vets wrote a blank check, payable to the Constitution, for an amount up to and including their life.)
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To: Vendome

Yes, those other protestant religions did come from the Catholic Church.

So why do people bash Catholics?


45 posted on 02/22/2010 3:06:53 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Andonius_99

LOL!


46 posted on 02/22/2010 3:09:57 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: CalvaryJohn

Not that I am aware of


47 posted on 02/22/2010 4:16:19 PM PST by Paratrooper
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To: Spudx7

That is really lousy theology on the Catholic mom’s part. I HATE when the Gospel is used to control behavior and as a veil for anger and anxiety and all that.


48 posted on 02/22/2010 6:33:38 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: alpha-8-25-02
I clearly stated that my choice for a ally, would be one Jesus loving member of the Roman denomination with a rosary hanging around his neck and a Saint Michael prayer card in his pocket

Good for you, alpha!

We can agree to disagree about stuff, but we'd better learn to work together as allies if our grandchildren are going to have a country and a culture in which to raise our great-grandchildren.

Ben Franklin was a strange sort of Christian, but he said something that is apropos here: "We must all hang together, or we will surely all hang separately."

49 posted on 02/22/2010 8:03:24 PM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: alpha-8-25-02

Amen to your Posts, my Brother, which are Excellent! Thank you for the Pings!


50 posted on 02/22/2010 9:19:11 PM PST by Kitty Mittens (Let Thy Mercy, O LORD, be upon us, According as we Hope in Thee. Ps.33:22)
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