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A Quantum Hologram of Christ's Resurrection? (Fabric of Time)
http://www.khouse.org/articles/2009/847/print/ ^ | Feb 22, 2010 | Chuck Missler

Posted on 02/22/2010 11:25:44 AM PST by TaraP

(I watched this Documentary last night on the TBN Channel Absoloutley Fascianting!)

In 2004, Dame Piczek became fascinated by the total absence of distortion of the Shroud image, a physical impossibility if the body had been lying on solid rock. Piczek’s work strongly suggests that the image of Jesus was projected as a quantum hologram onto the cloth as His body underwent the process of Resurrection...

The entire Resurrection process is akin to the Big Bang creation of the universe when something was created from nothing,” explains Piczek. “You can read the science of the Shroud, such as total lack of gravity, lack of entropy (without gravitational collapse), no time, no space—it conforms to no known law of physics.”

Dame Piczek created a one-fourth size sculpture of the man in the Shroud. When viewed from the side, it appears as if the man is suspended in mid air (see graphic, below), indicating that the image defies previously accepted science. The phenomenon of the image brings us to a true event horizon, a moment when all of the laws of physics change drastically.

Dame Piczek contends that the image was created in an infinitesimally small fraction of a second and its formation was absent of the effects of gravity.

The Physics Behind the Holographic Image

The DVD copies of The Fabric of Time include 3-D glasses to better view and appreciate the holographic images.


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1 posted on 02/22/2010 11:25:44 AM PST by TaraP
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To: All
Have scientist discovered a Quantum Hologram that gives us a message of Hope? Have scientists actually been able to produce a full three dimensional image of Christ?
2 posted on 02/22/2010 11:27:29 AM PST by TaraP (*GOD* made love so strong, so it would carry you all the way home.....)
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To: TaraP

Do we really need an old piece of cloth as proof? That’s why it’s called faith my friends, because we don’t need proof to believe.


3 posted on 02/22/2010 11:28:31 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: TaraP

ROFLMAO LOL SNORT. . .


4 posted on 02/22/2010 11:28:56 AM PST by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: TaraP

Ping for later


5 posted on 02/22/2010 11:28:57 AM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Quix; Star Traveler; All

The film highlighted the object around the neck to spell out the hebrew letters ABA-ABBA....


6 posted on 02/22/2010 11:30:08 AM PST by TaraP (*GOD* made love so strong, so it would carry you all the way home.....)
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To: goodwithagun

Science does...Let them see TRUTH! because they surely do not understand it!


7 posted on 02/22/2010 11:31:15 AM PST by TaraP (*GOD* made love so strong, so it would carry you all the way home.....)
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To: TaraP

Dancing Queen?


8 posted on 02/22/2010 11:31:28 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: goodwithagun
Do we really need an old piece of cloth as proof? That’s why it’s called faith my friends, because we don’t need proof to believe.

To each their own. I am a man of very little faith, call it being 'jaded', experience or disappointments due to a lifetime of hearing lies, deceit and betrayals. For me, hard physical proof was required for me to join the church I joined. I relish pictures of the Ark, the shroud and other 'facts' that are given in the scriptures that are only lately being substanciated by science. For some of us; these bits of physical material give us the 'boost' we need to have faith in the unknown.

9 posted on 02/22/2010 11:32:28 AM PST by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: TaraP

I thought Thomas got his proof?


10 posted on 02/22/2010 11:33:49 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: TaraP

Fantastic work ! I’ve often wondered about how this image became proportioned so...

I’ll try to catch this book / special on shelves / tv. Thanks !


11 posted on 02/22/2010 11:35:34 AM PST by Celerity
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To: Hodar

Well GOD bless you for your honesty...

I guarantee you will be as fascinated as I was, when watching the film..*The Fabric of Time* I do not think I blinked or moved for the entire hour it was on...

Wish I had the 3-D glasses!


12 posted on 02/22/2010 11:36:43 AM PST by TaraP (*GOD* made love so strong, so it would carry you all the way home.....)
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To: zot; Interesting Times

Is this similar to your theory?


13 posted on 02/22/2010 11:41:47 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Hodar

“For some of us; these bits of physical material give us the ‘boost’ we need to have faith in the unknown.”

Praise God, I am grateful this helps you and others like you. Whether it is THE burial cloth or not, it has qualities that astound physicists and defy the natural laws as they are currently understood.


14 posted on 02/22/2010 11:42:42 AM PST by beefree
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To: TaraP
the total absence of distortion of the Shroud image, a physical impossibility if the body had been lying on solid rock.

That's a pretty stupid statement when you are referring to someone that was born to a virgin and raised from the dead.

15 posted on 02/22/2010 11:43:16 AM PST by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: TaraP

Knew this...well at least it was the only way the image, if indeed it is that of Jesus, was put on the cloth.

God invented the technology, and He can use whatever means necessary to take care of things. We have NO idea of the technology that has not yet been “discovered,” but is there already.


16 posted on 02/22/2010 11:52:16 AM PST by madison10
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To: TaraP

Correct me if I am wrong but if I was laid out on a slab and a sheet was placed over me would it not go across my face and then go down the sides of my head over my ears etc., then if I gave off an image onto the sheet then the sheep was stretched out flat (like the picture) would not the image of my head be really wide and fat oval shaped? Not perfect like a photo as in the picture?


17 posted on 02/22/2010 11:53:51 AM PST by fish hawk
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To: fish hawk

18 posted on 02/22/2010 11:56:39 AM PST by TaraP (*GOD* made love so strong, so it would carry you all the way home.....)
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To: BubbaBasher

see my post #17 and give me an answer.


19 posted on 02/22/2010 11:57:58 AM PST by fish hawk
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To: fish hawk

Why would it?


20 posted on 02/22/2010 11:59:13 AM PST by TaraP (*GOD* made love so strong, so it would carry you all the way home.....)
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To: GreyFriar; Interesting Times
Is this similar to your theory?

I don't know anything about "quantum holograms" and I doubt the assertion that there is no distortion in the image on the shroud, but from the NT reports, it seems obvious that his body was dematerialized in the tomb, and then re-materialized and dematerialized again in the upper room.

21 posted on 02/22/2010 12:00:34 PM PST by zot
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To: goodwithagun

“Do we really need an old piece of cloth as proof? That’s why it’s called faith my friends, because we don’t need proof to believe.”

If you had been there at the moment of Resurrection, would you need faith to believe in Christ? NO, you wouldn’t. You saw it happen, after all. And so, neither did the Apostles and the 500 who saw the resurrected Christ.

The point is, that Christ’s Resurrection is not only an article of faith, but also IT WAS A REAL PHYSICAL FACT/HAPPENING, AND THE SHROUD ATTESTS TO IT, AND YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN A REAL PHYSICAL FACT/HAPPENING HAD YOU BEEN THERE....

Christ’s story is not just “faith”, it really happened.

Ask yourself if you would today toss away a “video” (had that been possible in ancient times) of the parting of the Red Sea because, you reason, you don’t really need it because you have “faith” that the Bible says it happened.


22 posted on 02/22/2010 12:01:00 PM PST by Nabber
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Scientists have failed to identify blood on the Shroud of Turin. Not True................... Immunological, fluorescence and spectrographic tests, as well as Rh and ABO typing of blood antigens, reveal that the stains are human blood. Many of the bloodstains have the distinctive forensic signature of clotting with red corpuscles about the edge of a clot with a clear yellowish halo of serum. The heme was converted into its parent porphyrin, and the spectra examined. This too, revealed the fact that bloodstains are blood. Microchemical tests for proteins were positive in blood areas. Much of this work is published in peer reviewed scientific journals including Archeological Chemistry: Organic, Inorganic, and Biochemical Analysis (American Chemical Society), Applied Optics and the Canadian Society of Forensic Sciences Journal.
23 posted on 02/22/2010 12:01:48 PM PST by TaraP (*GOD* made love so strong, so it would carry you all the way home.....)
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To: fish hawk

Not if the body is hovering and the sheet above it is hovering over it when ‘blast’ of radiation created the image like a photograph.


24 posted on 02/22/2010 12:02:15 PM PST by beefree
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To: zot

“I doubt the assertion that there is no distortion in the image on the shroud”.

Yeah, I’m an expert just like you, and I doubt you exist. Don’t you love bold, unsubstantiated expert testimony?


25 posted on 02/22/2010 12:03:40 PM PST by Nabber
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To: TaraP
You lost me. Why would it what? You paint your face with fresh paint or any kind of stain and let me put a towel over your face and then take off the towel and see what the image looks like. The sides of you head and ear area will be going out to the right and left and look like a horizontal oval shape. Now if I just did the very front of your face your hair which is in back and your ears which are down the sides would not show.
26 posted on 02/22/2010 12:04:05 PM PST by fish hawk
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To: TaraP
You can read the science of the Shroud, such as total lack of gravity, lack of entropy (without gravitational collapse), no time, no space—it conforms to no known law of physics.”

What in the world is he talking about?

27 posted on 02/22/2010 12:04:47 PM PST by DManA
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To: fish hawk

The Shroud is not paint, and what you said does not make any sense...

You would have to paint your ears, fold a fabric over your ears and lay it out, and I have never seen someone do that on a peice of cloth...Have you?


28 posted on 02/22/2010 12:08:36 PM PST by TaraP (*GOD* made love so strong, so it would carry you all the way home.....)
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To: goodwithagun
"That’s why it’s called faith my friends, because we don’t need proof to believe."

The fundamental underpinning of Christianity, the belief that God became physically human, and corporeally manifest to walk among mankind, is one based on physical proof. If "The Word" were adequate, there would have been no need for the Word to be made Flesh.

29 posted on 02/22/2010 12:09:43 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: DManA

total lack of gravity, I think, means it was levitating above the slab, therefore, the underside of the body was not pressed flat as it would if it was against the slab. IIRC, theory might be that radiation came FROM the body, creating a ‘photograph’ on the cloth.


30 posted on 02/22/2010 12:13:51 PM PST by beefree
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To: beefree

The floating theory seems like total speculation to explain the alleged lack of distortion. I’ve never seen anyone with a face like the shroud face.


31 posted on 02/22/2010 12:16:52 PM PST by DManA
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To: DManA

Watch the documentary if you can, the physicists give a better explaination than the clumsy one I can give.


32 posted on 02/22/2010 12:22:24 PM PST by beefree
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To: TaraP
Well I think the figure looks a lot like FRANK ZAPPA in the face, and don't think JESUS CHRIST looked like Zappa. The Bible says he looked like any other Jew living in the area at that time, and that he could pass through crowds because of that. Indeed , we all know how that JUDAS had to give him a kiss to let his enemies know who HE was.
33 posted on 02/22/2010 12:23:06 PM PST by timestax (CNNLIES..BIG TIME)
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To: DManA

I could never explain it..You should watch the film!

Well worth it!


34 posted on 02/22/2010 12:23:10 PM PST by TaraP (*GOD* made love so strong, so it would carry you all the way home.....)
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To: zot; Interesting Times

That’s close enough for me. :)


35 posted on 02/22/2010 12:25:05 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: timestax

Maybe Frank Zappa looks like the Jews in Ancient Israel...

*Faceplam)

Do we have an photos of what the Jews looked like in Israel
when Jesus was walking about???


36 posted on 02/22/2010 12:25:59 PM PST by TaraP (*GOD* made love so strong, so it would carry you all the way home.....)
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To: TaraP
I could do it to you. All it takes is your cooperation. Now, if it was radiation shooting out, would it only shoot out through the face or out from all over the round head? According to the picture it only projected out the face and nothing on the sides of the head or the body.

And as my statement, why would a sheet stay straight out over a body and now settle down the sides. At night does not your sheep drape down the sides and around your body? Now if by some miracle it stays flat, that would explain the picture. I don't get your problem with logic and common sense.

37 posted on 02/22/2010 12:28:08 PM PST by fish hawk
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To: DManA

After being beaten and abused by Roman guards,then having a crown of thorns ( and these were particularly nasty large ones) shoved down on your skull, and being crucified my guess is that your face wouldn’t look to good either


38 posted on 02/22/2010 12:34:29 PM PST by the long march
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To: fish hawk

I don’t get your problem with logic and common sense.
But that’s not either.....

What you are making is assumptions how the body was laid in the tomb....

Do you know that much about radiation and how it works in something like this event?


39 posted on 02/22/2010 12:35:48 PM PST by TaraP (*GOD* made love so strong, so it would carry you all the way home.....)
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To: TaraP

Oh YEAH, you are probably 100% correct...The Jewish men prolly all looked just exactly like Frank Zappa !


40 posted on 02/22/2010 12:41:59 PM PST by timestax (CNNLIES..BIG TIME)
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To: timestax

I thought Zappa was Jewish.


41 posted on 02/22/2010 12:45:37 PM PST by TaraP (*GOD* made love so strong, so it would carry you all the way home.....)
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To: goodwithagun

Yes it is “faith” and you have to “believe”, as in not knowing first hand of a true fact. It involves only having to take someone else’s account, or other evidence to try to conclude what is truth. But believing and having faith, by definition, is an acknowledgment of not knowing.

If science elevates what is known to fact so that there is no more faith or belief, but rather knowing, it’s a whole new ballgame. At that point there is no need for believing or faith. It’s accept the proven truth. Or, said a different way, “Are you stupid? This is proof of an actual resurrection from the dead. You better get your own spiritual house in order.”


42 posted on 02/22/2010 12:50:37 PM PST by DaGman
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To: goodwithagun
Well, as a reminder that the Resurrection really happened. From time to time, God likes to provide hints that He exists. The significance of this sign is that Jesus was a man who lived and died, and then “rose from the dead” as that same man: not as a resuscitated corpse but as a "glorified" body."
43 posted on 02/22/2010 12:51:08 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: TaraP

He was originally Catholic, but became an atheist.


44 posted on 02/22/2010 12:52:55 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: TaraP; timestax

I’m pretty sure Frank Zappa was Italian.


45 posted on 02/22/2010 1:02:45 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: fish hawk

There was piece of cloth that went over the fact. As for the photo perfection, that has what has got the attention of the world. It was not until after the invention of photography and the image on the shroud was photographed that it was realized that the image was a photo-negative. Skeptics said that it has been made by the scotching the cloth by a hot statue. (My question being) why the supposed forger would have chosen to create such an image? Recently, a burial shroud was found in Palestine . It was dated to that time and was of a different weave. From that evidence it was contended that a eave like the shroud was not available in Palestine. This substantiates theclaim that the image is medieval. (My question being) If Jesus was laid in the tomb of a rich man and wrapped in a garment he provided, How do we know where he obtained the garment? It need not have got it locally. As part of an empire as extensive as the United States, “Joseph of Arimathea” might have had products from as far away as Britain or situated in the Middle east, as far away as India or China.

Bottom line, through: we don’t know anything for sure.


47 posted on 02/22/2010 1:07:07 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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No, mathematically it makes sense. It even makes sense if one thinks of it as an artistic creation.


48 posted on 02/22/2010 1:08:59 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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Do you know that much about radiation and how it works in something like this event? Yes. When the atomic bomb goes off does it only to straight up? I don't think so. You don't have to be a nuclear scientist to know that radiation goes in all directions. And yes, I am assuming that Christ was laid out straight and on his back. The same way everyone else was laid to rest, from King Tut to Teddy Kennedy.
49 posted on 02/22/2010 1:22:10 PM PST by fish hawk
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I thought the carbon dating on this was much later than the time of Christ? I remember the University of Arizona doing a carbon dating in the 90’s.


50 posted on 02/22/2010 1:54:54 PM PST by whiterhino
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