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Mary of Nazareth of the Holy Scriptures
The Ignorant Fishermen Blog ^ | 2/24/10 | DJP I.F.

Posted on 02/25/2010 2:31:11 PM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman

This study seeks to present from God's Holy Word what the Bible teaches about Mary of Nazareth, the young Jewish virgin that bore the Messiah, the Savior of the World. In this study we will seek to look at EVERY Bible verse found in the Holy Scriptures that pertains to Mary of Nazareth. Be sure to check out all the links for this study, for they will provide a deeper perspective into the person of Mary.

Introduction

In beginning this study, the clarifying statement should be made that the Bible, God’s infallible (reliable) and immaculate (perfect) Word, is the FINAL AUTHORITY when it comes to ALL matters pertaining to the truth of Christianity, which includes Mary (2 Peter 1:20-21; 2 Timothy 3:16).

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TOPICS: Apologetics; General Discusssion; Theology
KEYWORDS: bible; mary; virginmary
This post IS NOT an attack in any way on any of those of the Catholic faith. It is a general discussion and Biblical study of Mary of Nazareth and her person as the Holy Scripture clearly teaches. Be objective and let God the Holy Spirit and His infallible Word speak to your hearts! As an ex Catholic raised and taught as I started to study and read the Holy Scriptures for my self I saw that the Word of God barley mentions Mary and what it does was a contradiction to all that I was taught as a young Catholic.

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. St. John 16:13

1 posted on 02/25/2010 2:31:11 PM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

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2 posted on 02/25/2010 2:32:22 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Oh, here we go again.


4 posted on 02/25/2010 2:59:59 PM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

You wrote:

“In this study we will seek to look at EVERY Bible verse found in the Holy Scriptures that pertains to Mary of Nazareth.”

I seriously doubt that.

It is also clear that the entire “Introduction” is a slam against Catholics.

Then you made the usual errors in exegesis:

“These passages reveal that Mary was a sinner in need of a Savior!”

No. Mary had a Savior - and He saved her from sinning. The verse about Mary’s sacrifice shows she did what was expected - not that she did what was needed because of supposed sinfulness.

“There are distinctions given by the Gospel writers (2 Peter 1:20-21) that reveal Mary as the mother of Jesus’ human nature, but again the term “mother” was never used by Jesus when addressing Mary. We have absolutely NO record of that.”

“When Jesus saw his mother, and the disciple whom he loved standing near, he said to his mother, ‘Woman, behold, your son!’. Then he said to the disciple, ‘Behold, your mother!’” (Jn 19:26-27).

The Holy Spirit calls Mary Jesus’ mother.

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5 posted on 02/25/2010 3:11:20 PM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Mary is amazing! Blessed!

Just not co-redemptrix. But it’s sad that just because of Catholic idolatry, Protestant Christians have a tendency to outright diminish her significance. It does Christianity a huge disservice to dismiss her.


6 posted on 02/25/2010 3:14:19 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege ("When I survey the wondrous cross...")
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Come to think of it, you make so many errors it would literally take hours to post all that is necessary. I’ll just do this instead: Go to this page http://www.cin.org/cinmateo.html and look down the list to “Mary”. There you’ll find gems like this:

Father Mateo Archives, February 18, 1994, Mary’s Sin Offering at Presentation

Nancy’s message reminded me of a verse many Protestants use to support Mary’s sinful nature. When Mary goes to the Temple in Luke 2, she makes a sin offering of the two doves in accordance with Jewish Law. I have always answered this that it is a tribute to her sinLESSness that she obeyed the Jewish law requiring her to do so even though she was not subject to it. Could you comment on both my response and the Protestant argument? Do you know of any other explanations for this action of Our Lady? Thank you, and God bless you in your continued good work, Father.

Dear Jeff,

Your response was right on. It is truly necessary to take Protestant objectors through the relevant Scriptures supporting our doctrines. Logic alone, history alone will not carry the conviction of Scripture. If we haven’t the chapters and verses at our fingertips, we must offer to look them up. For this a good concordance is necessary.

In Luke 2:24, Mary makes the sin-offering commanded in Leviticus 12:6-8. (The context is verses 1-8.) She did this, not because she was guilty of moral failing in having conceived and borne a child, but because she and Joseph were faithful observers of the Mosaic Law (Luke 2:23,24,39). They did what the Law commanded.

Temple sin-offerings never implied moral guilt, but were sacrifices made to expunge legal and ritual uncleanness. This is very evident, not only from Leviticus 12:1-8, but even more from Leviticus 15, where involuntary emissions, menstruation, hemorrhaging, and sexual intercourse produce ritual uncleanness, some of which requires the making of sin-offerings.

Leviticus clearly distinguishes sin-offerings (which did not imply moral guilt) from guilt offerings (which did imply actual sinfulness). The former are discussed in 6:17-23, the latter in 7:1-6. The distinction is reaffirmed in 7:7 and in Ezekiel 40:39.

In Ezekiel 43:18-27, directions are given for purifying the altar and making atonement for it. Verses 19, 21, 22 and 25 call for sin-offerings on behalf of the altar. Of course, an altar can be ritually unclean, but it cannot be guilty of moral guilt. Yet “sin” offering was made for it!

An example of guilt-offering being made to atone for actual moral failures is found in Ezra 10:10,19. The people’s sin was in taking foreign wives in violation of the Mosaic Law (Deuteronomy 7:3). For this, they were truly guilty.

Thank you for your message. I hope you will continue in your zeal to pray for others and help them to see the truth.

Sincerely in Christ,
Father Mateo


8 posted on 02/25/2010 3:17:10 PM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Thank you, finally, a factual account of the life of Mary that is in perfect harmony with the scriptures.


9 posted on 02/25/2010 3:19:42 PM PST by pctech
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

The co-redemptrix title isn’t even Catholic dogma! If you’re going to argue with us, argue over actual doctrine, which includes her title of Mother of God (Theotokos), perpetual virginity and her Assumption (all of which the Orthodox also believe), and her Immaculate Conception.


10 posted on 02/25/2010 3:20:16 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

I’m not here to argue with Catholics. I was commending Fisherman’s post honoring Mary as God’s Word revealed her to be.


11 posted on 02/25/2010 3:24:26 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege ("When I survey the wondrous cross...")
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Mary is to protestants what Palin is to leftists....


12 posted on 02/25/2010 3:28:35 PM PST by raygunfan
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To: raygunfan; CondoleezzaProtege
Mary is to protestants what Palin is to leftists....

No, not even close.

Protestants just don't believe in lifting her up above the Apostles or anyother Christian, because Christ himself, according to scriptures never lifted her up to the exalted position that Catholic Tradition lifts her up to.
13 posted on 02/25/2010 3:32:04 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: CondoleezzaProtege; The Ignorant Fisherman
It does Christianity a huge disservice to dismiss her.

You're right she was truly blessed.

Trouble is the statement above sounds demeaning when others are deifying her.

14 posted on 02/25/2010 3:36:09 PM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: raygunfan

hey... That’s not true at all. We just do not worship her or give her a place that contradicts the Holy Scriptures. We keep her real and human.


16 posted on 02/25/2010 3:44:25 PM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

“We just do not worship her...”

Catholics don’t worship Mary. You can tell by the lack of Catholics saying they worship Mary.

Freegards


17 posted on 02/25/2010 3:54:34 PM PST by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matthew 7:21-23

What is, “...the will of my Father which is in heaven...”?

Clearly it is not this list of works these deluded souls list out to the Lord in an attempt to justify themselves. But if not, then what IS it? Jesus tell us in John 6:29.
“This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” This is the much hated doctrine of justification by faith alone as taught by the Lord Himself.

Note that those who list out their works of piety are damned, not having believed the Gospel even though they are very actively ‘Christian’ and very religious, no doubt.

But Christ tells us that when we have done all that we should do, the best we can say about ourselves is that we are unprofitable servants. Note how different the attitude is from these false Christians in Matthew 7 who boast of their works.

Matthew 7:21-23 describes all Roman Catholicism and most Protestantism. Hell will be full of very religious people.


18 posted on 02/25/2010 3:54:45 PM PST by vigilo
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Thank you for posting this. Mary was an amazing, courageous young woman! She was so blessed! I can’t wait until I get to heaven and get to meet her.


19 posted on 02/25/2010 3:57:25 PM PST by T Minus Four (I already have a Savior. It's a President I'm looking for.)
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To: raygunfan

Huh! Good call.


20 posted on 02/25/2010 4:02:05 PM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

You wrote:

“We just do not worship her...”

Neither do we.

“...or give her a place that contradicts the Holy Scriptures.”

Neither do we.

“We keep her real and human.”

We know she is real and human. We do not claim she is unreal and inhuman. It’s really dishonest for anyone to imply we do.


21 posted on 02/25/2010 4:04:57 PM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vigilo

May God Help you. You isolated that scripture from the rest, that person or persons are saying that quote to Jesus from his statement. It can mean they are complete liars and never did it just to say anything to get into heaven. Also Matthew 25:31-46 [the Sheep and the Goats] -Depart from me........into the eternal fire... For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat,I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me,I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.” ....... He will reply , ‘I tell you the truth,whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ Then they will go away to eternal punishment,but the righteous to eternal fire.” So the righteous are Christians doing christian works. What does I will spit you out neither hot nor cold but lukewarm in Revelation- Its an action You don’t just say your a Christian or I’m imputed. You act too. When Paul talks about works he is talking about Temple works[Mosaic law and offerings] which were still going on as he wrote the epistles. As James reads whats faith without works. Please reread bible on your own carefully . In His Love Jesus Bye


22 posted on 02/25/2010 7:44:01 PM PST by johngrace
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To: johngrace

Are you doing many mighty works for Jesus? Are you a profitable servant?

The righteous are those who have believed in the one whom the Father sent. Those are the ones who enter the kingdom as Jesus clearly teaches in Matthew 7.

You do not understand yourself or the Gospel.


23 posted on 02/25/2010 9:10:04 PM PST by vigilo
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To: vigilo
You do not understand

Reading the mind of another Freeper is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

24 posted on 02/25/2010 9:13:45 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: SoConPubbie
lifting her up above the Apostles or anyother Christian>

The Apostles are what they are because Jesus was born of Mary. Other Christians are what they are because of the Apostles. Your radical egalitarianism is not what Christ taught either.

25 posted on 02/25/2010 9:43:47 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Religion Moderator

“Reading the mind of another Freeper is a form of “making it personal.”

I didn’t read his mind. I read his post.


26 posted on 02/25/2010 9:55:28 PM PST by vigilo
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To: vigilo

Truer words were never spoken.


27 posted on 02/26/2010 4:21:36 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Who is dismissing her... just letting the Holy Scriptures define her. No Mary hating here.


28 posted on 02/26/2010 1:39:15 PM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: pctech

Thanks. Glad that you are objective and let the Holy Scriptures define her.

God Bless


29 posted on 02/26/2010 1:40:27 PM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Yeah of course, I was not referring to you! I was commending your post FOR letting the Scriptures define her. I was talking about the people who do not investigate her through God’s Word at all.


30 posted on 02/26/2010 6:46:26 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege ("When I survey the wondrous cross...")
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31 posted on 02/26/2010 6:47:50 PM PST by narses ("lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi")
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To: 3722535r
Mary was not a wh###.......
No kidding.
But she was not holy either...
And the Angels said: "Hail (Mary) full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou amongst women"
Nor does she have anything to do with ones salvation.....
Behold the handmaid of the Lord: Be it done unto me according to Thy word.
32 posted on 02/26/2010 7:01:57 PM PST by narses ("lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi")
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To: narses

How does that suggest that she has anything to do with ones salvation?.....Mary’s cousin was filled with The Holy Ghost while carrying John The Baptist.....That doesn’t make her Holy......But she was blessed.....Focus on The Lord’s Christ for your salvation, and stop worshipping idols....This is pointless, but I do pray you accept Christ for what He did, and who He is to each one who believes in Him as Messiah.....”


33 posted on 02/27/2010 6:50:11 AM PST by 3722535r
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To: 3722535r

“Behold the handmaid of the Lord: Be it done unto me according to Thy word.”

But for that humble submission, she would not have been the Mother of God. She was the path God chose to give us His Son for our Salvation. She chose to accept that job. Free will, remember?


34 posted on 02/27/2010 6:52:41 AM PST by narses ("lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi")
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To: narses

Ah, sadly it is never ending is it?


35 posted on 02/27/2010 8:50:06 AM PST by Jvette
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To: Jvette

Lent is here. So is the Father of Lies.


36 posted on 02/27/2010 4:35:49 PM PST by narses ("lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi")
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