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The rabbi who studied Jesus
Chiesa Espress Online ^ | February 20, 2010 | Anna Foa

Posted on 02/27/2010 1:12:42 PM PST by annalex

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To: Erskine Childers

Traditional Jews who look at the details do not believe any such thing.

Peter Schafer is a Christian, by the way, who is held in high regard by the Judaism haters in the nihilistic secular Jewish world.


21 posted on 02/27/2010 7:04:34 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: annalex

Good read


22 posted on 02/27/2010 7:29:00 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: jjotto
Traditional Jews who look at the details do not believe any such thing.

Perhaps you mean Jews like Maimonides?

I paste below an excerpt from his Epistle to Yemen wherein he restates succinctly some of the basic ideas concerning Jesus and Mary contained in the Talmud which, as you know, he influenced greatly. So, c'mon. Maimonides himself believed that these stories related to the Christian Jesus.

The first one to have adopted this plan was Jesus the Nazarene, may his bones be ground to dust. He was a Jew because his mother was a Jewess although his father was a Gentile. For in accordance with the principles of our law, a child born of a Jewess and a Gentile, or of a Jewess and a slave, is legitimate. (Yebamot 45a). Jesus is only figuratively termed an illegitimate child. He impelled people to believe that he was a prophet sent by God to clarify perplexities in the Torah, and that he was the Messiah that was predicted by each and every seer. He interpreted the Torah and its precepts in such a fashion as to lead to their total annulment, to the abolition of all its commandments and to the violation of its prohibitions. The sages, of blessed memory, having become aware of his plans before his reputation spread among our people, meted out fitting punishment to him.

I believe that Christians and Jews have so much in common that we don't need to sugarcoat the nasty things we've said about each other ages ago. Let's start by getting honest about what these texts are and what they always meant

23 posted on 02/27/2010 9:51:28 PM PST by Erskine Childers
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To: annalex
The Sacred Page

The Chief Rabbi Who Became A Catholic and His Book on Jesus

L'Osservatore Romano, the Vatican newspaper, has just run a review praising a new edition of a book that is often overlooked. The book is Il Nazareno, and it was written more than seventy years ago by Israel Zoller, the former chief rabbi of Rome, who shocked the world by becoming Catholic in 1945. Significantly, the book was written before the rabbi's controversial conversion.

Incidentally, Zoller was baptized with the name "Eugenio". Eugenio, of course, was the name of Pope Pius XII. Zoller took the name to express his admiration for the pope.

The book by Zoller is reviewed by Anna Foa, a Jewish scholar, who is professor of history at the University of Rome "La Sapienza." The review is largely positive.

For more, go here.

It's nice to see this book getting republished. I always enjoy reading the works of Jewish scholars about Jesus. In fact, one of the clear shifts in emphasis in recent historical Jesus scholarship has been the attempt to understand Jesus within the historical context of Second Temple Judaism.[1]

In light of this it is sort of ironic that the works of many important Jewish scholars of the past are often overlooked. Among them all I must highlight the scholarship of Zionist scholar Joseph Klausner, whose work offers some insightful observations[2]. Other important Jewish scholars include Hans-Joachim Schoeps,[3] and David Flusser.[4] While such works were exceptional in their day,[5] Craig Evans is right in assessing the present state of scholarship: “The fruitful progress of the rediscovery of the Judaic character and setting of Jesus is now everywhere seen.”[6] Of course, the major difference between older scholarship and more recent research is that older scholars were a bit less critical in their use of the later rabbinic traditions in reconstructing the Judaism of the first century.

Of course, Israel Zoller's work stands out as unique among these works: none of the other Jewish scholars mentioned here ended up converting to Catholicism.

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[1] Colin Brown, “Historical Jesus, Quest of,” 337: “If there is a common theme [of "Third Quest" Jesus scholarship], it lies in the belief that Jesus was not the Jesus of liberal Protestantism or of the New Quest, but a historical figure whose life and actions were rooted in first-century Judaism with its particular religious, social, economic and political conditions.” This emphasis in recent scholarship has been noted by numerous other scholars (see, e.g., Tom Holmén, “The Jewishness of Jesus in the ‘Third Quest,’” in Jesus, Mark and Q: The Teaching of Jesus and its Earliest Records (eds. M. Labahn and A. Schmidt; Sheffield: Sheffield Academic Press, 2001), 149–50. Indeed, this is part of a larger trend in New Testament scholarship, which emphasizes greater continuity between early Christianity and Judaism. Thus, for example, in Pauline studies the Jewish backdrop of Paul’s letters is increasingly coming into focus. See, to name only a few, E.P. Sanders, Paul and Palestinian Judaism (Minneapolis: Fortress, 1977); Mark Nanos, The Mystery of Romans: The Jewish Context of Paul's Letter (Minneapolis: Fortress Press, 1996); Chris VanLandingham, Judgment and Justification in Early Judaism and the Apostle Paul (Peabody: Hendricksen, 2006).
[2] Joseph Klausner, Jesus of Nazareth: His Life, Times and Teaching (trans. H. Danby; New York: Macmillan Co., 1925; repr., New York: Bloch, 1989), trans. of Yeshu ha-Notzri (Jerusalem: Stybel, 1922). Particularly useful is Klausner’s survey of the history of Jewish scholarship. For our purposes here it is worth mentioning that Klausner highlights the work of a number of Jewish scholars largely ignored by contemporary writers. For example, Klausner discusses the way Albert Schweitzer’s seminal survey of the history of Jesus research pays hardly any notice to the work of Joseph Salvador, Jésus Christ et sa doctrine: histoire de la naissance de l’église, de son organisation et de ses progrès pendant le premier siecle (2 vols.; 2d. ed.; Paris: M. Lévy Frères, 1864–65). As Klausner observes, that this work was overlooked cannot simply be chalked up to the fact that the work was originally written in French since Salvador’s work had been translated into German by the time of Schweitzer’s writing. Strikingly, not only is Salvador’s work badly mischaracterized and mentioned only in passing, but Schweitzer even misspells his name (“Salvator”)! See Schweitzer, Von Reimarus zu Wrede: Eine Geschichte der Leben-Jesu-Forschung, 161. See also Craig A. Evans, “Assessing Progress in the Third Quest of the Historical Jesus,” JSHJ (2006): 36 n. 3.
[3] See Hans Joachim Schoeps, Das Leben Jesu: Versuch einer historischen Darstellung (Frankfurt: Eremiten, 1954). Schoeps own work on Jesus followed his own comprehensive study of ancient Judaism. See Hans-Joachim Schoeps, Jüdisch-christliches Religionsgespräch in 19. Jahrhunderten; Geschichte einer theologischen Auseinandersetzung (Berlin: Vortrupp, 1937).
[4] David Flusser, Jesus in Selbstzeugnissen und Bilddokumenten (Rowohlts monographien; Hamburg: Rowohlt, 1968). With the current climate of scholarship warming towards such approaches, Eerdmans recently republished two of Flusser’s works into English. See David Flusser, Judaism of the Second Temple Period: Qumran and Apocalypticsm (vol. 1; trans. A. Yadin with D. Bivin; Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 2007); trans. of Yahadut Bayit Sheni: Qumran ve Apocalyptica (Jerusalem: Hebrew University Magnes Press and Yad Ishax Ben-Zvi Press, 2002); and The Sage from Galilee: Rediscovering Jesus’ Genius (trans. R. S. Notley, with J. H. Charlesworth; Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 2007); trans. of Jesus in Selbstzeugnissen und Bilddokumenten (Hamburg: Rowohlt, 1968). For a fuller survey of Jewish scholarship see Donald A. Hagner, The Jewish Reclamation of Jesus: An Analysis and Critique of Modern Jewish Study of Jesus (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1984). Another scholar who was clearly ahead of his time in calling for an approach that rooted Jesus in first-century Judaism was Joachim Jeremias (e.g., Neutestamentliche Theologie: I. Die Verkündigung Jesu [Gottingen: Vandenhoeck & Ruprecht, 1971] and other works cited above).
[5] For a fuller treatment of the neglect and retrieval of the Jewishness of Jesus in the history of research see Keck, Who is Jesus, 22–47.
[6] Evans, “Assessing Progress in the Third Quest of the Historical Jesus,” 39. Scot McKnight (“Jesus of Nazareth,” in The Face of New Testament Studies: A Survey of Recent Research [eds. S. McKnight and G. R. Osborne; Grand Rapids: Baker Academic, 2004), 170], citing words spoken by John Dominic Crossan in public settings, describes how “modern scholarship is in a contest to see who can find the most Jewish Jesus.”

24 posted on 02/27/2010 10:09:56 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: annalex

Thank you for posting it. I posted the article from Michael Barber’s blog also.


25 posted on 02/27/2010 10:13:53 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: mgist
Judaism was our spiritual origin

Yes, absolutely. Catholic Christianity is the perfection of Jewish temple worship. The Jews need to convert only insofar as they no longer practice the Judaism of their forefathers. But as the Second Temple was destroyed, it was also rebuilt by Christ. Gaze at the Altar and see Jerusalem in Heaven.

26 posted on 02/27/2010 11:56:51 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

mark


27 posted on 02/28/2010 7:08:44 AM PST by Jaded (I realized that after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says W T F)
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To: 1010RD

Why did he teach prayer as a Jew then? “Our Father...”


28 posted on 02/28/2010 9:10:35 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Poe White Trash

By the way, you had questions? Here’s a good thread to discuss Catholics vis a vis the Jews.


29 posted on 02/28/2010 9:46:48 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
By the way, you had questions? Here’s a good thread to discuss Catholics vis a vis the Jews.

I had several questions concerning your views on a certain writer's positions, not just his position on Judaism... but on ANOTHER thread.

If you wish to answer those questions, my understanding is that it would be best to do so on THAT thread.

30 posted on 02/28/2010 12:51:26 PM PST by Poe White Trash (Wake up!)
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To: Poe White Trash

I don’t know anything about Dr. Rao’s views on that and will not sidetrack the thread that has nothing to do with your questions.


31 posted on 02/28/2010 1:37:36 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
...and will not sidetrack the thread that has nothing to do with your questions.

Good! I'm sure the moderators will appreciate that.

32 posted on 02/28/2010 2:01:36 PM PST by Poe White Trash (Wake up!)
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To: BlackVeil

you need professional help....


33 posted on 02/28/2010 9:56:05 PM PST by Beamreach
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To: Beamreach

It is a ... ah ... satirical reply to post 5.


34 posted on 03/01/2010 12:48:53 AM PST by BlackVeil
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To: 1010RD
Yes, Jesus was Jewish. He was called 'Rabbi' by many of His followers, and he frequently taught in the Synagogues. He wouldn't have been able to do that, had he not been Jewish.

It is Jesus's followers who call themselves 'Christians'.

35 posted on 03/01/2010 7:09:56 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

Rabbi and teaching in synagogues are contextual to the time.

Do you believe Jesus is God, the Son of God or the Messiah?

That he died and was resurrected in payment of your sins?

Are these Jewish concepts?


36 posted on 03/01/2010 7:33:38 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: onedoug

Do you accept that he is the Son of God, God and the Messiah? Do you believe he was resurrected and died for your sins? Are these religious acts Jewish?


37 posted on 03/01/2010 7:34:21 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
Hyam Maccoby, Revolution In Judaea: Jesus And The Jewish Resistance

Semikhah, or the ordination of rabbis was performed only by the Pharisees. It's obvious you don't like it. But Rabbi Jesus was a Jew: Prayed as a Jew, ate as a Jew, admonished that the Law be kept as a Jew, went to Temple as a Jew, was buried as a Jew. Read your Bible.

That he was resurrected, I'm agnostic. But the United States could not have been founded without the Christ saga. So, perhaps the Father made him the messiah after all.

38 posted on 03/01/2010 10:13:20 PM PST by onedoug
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To: 1010RD
Yes, Jesus is the Savior, the Son of God, and by His death and resurrection, He redeemed us, and made it possible for us to spend eternity with Him, if we live according to His Word. That doesn't mean he wasn't Jewish. The Old Testament is full of prophecy about a Redeemer. They were waiting for a Messiah. If there were no concept of redemption, why would they NEED a Messiah?

Most Jews rejected Jesus, because they had come to anticipate a Messiah who would liberate them from the yoke of oppression, be it the Babylonians, or the Romans, later. They'd gotten away from the notion of spiritual bondage, and the need for liberation from it.

39 posted on 03/02/2010 10:45:05 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

You’re confusing noise with the signal. What was the relationship of Jesus to the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scribes supportive?

Is Christianity a correction of Judaic lost knowledge?

Is the Gospel of Christ eternal and had from Adam or from the birth of Christ?


40 posted on 03/02/2010 3:51:34 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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