Posted on 02/28/2010 4:35:54 PM PST by ComeUpHigher
Francis Eugene George is not just a cardinal. He is also president of the United States conference of catholic bishops and sets the tone and direction for church policy and position in the country. His comments, therefore, on the positive attributes of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS), more commonly known as Mormons, seem surprising given the enormous theological and demographic differences between the two groups. Or do his words herald a spirit of co-operation among disparate religious movements in the fight against secularism?
(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...
They don’t have to agree to be one theologically, for heaven’s sake — just to join hands fighting common enemies. Makes sense to me. The Mormons were front and center here in California fighting for Prop 8/ sodomite marriages.
Satan works overtime making sure that there is fighting within Families, Fighting between church members and fighting between Christian churches. His success depends on in-fighting.
I agree.
But it's disingenuous of George to play up the similarities.
Cardinal George wasn't calling for integration, but for a mutual support network based on commonly held values between the two groups.
This terrifies the secular humanists. It is good for the world that these two and other like-minded religious groups team up to stem the tide.
It is killing our children and government schooling is driving morality off a cliff.
Stand together for families
Stand together against abortion
That’s how I take it.
It wasn’t intended any other way nor does the article indicate otherwise. The title is from the article. So they have “joined forces” in defending traditional families and fighting abortion. Good thing in my opinion, don’t you agree?
The Catholic church is not recognizing them as Christian, they are only working with them.
That is an excellent statement. I know a priest visiting us on a mission who will be very interested in this.
I heard the Cardinal’s speech on BYU-TV today. It was great! I think he was courageous.
Whew! What a relief. The Catholic Church is “only” working with the Mormon Church to defend traditional marriage and fight abortion. Heaven forbid that in joining forces with a “cult” to defend traditional marriage and fight against abortion the Catholics do anything that would give legitimacy to Mormons as Christians.
all the while the mormons thinking in the back of their minds - apostate professor of the great harlot
Of course it must be a relief if you did not know that.
So they have “joined forces” ...fighting abortion.
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Where does it say that in the article ???
While the Catholic Church has always been pro-life...
The mormons have not...
“We have no revelation on abortion” The mormons need a so called “revelation” to know that abortion is murder ???
The Mormon church accepts abortion for a number of reasons. The Church Handbook of Instructions, approved in September, 1998, states that abortion may be performed in the following circumstances: pregnancy resulting from rape or incest; a competent physician says the life or health of the mother is in serious jeopardy; or a competent physician says that the “fetus” has severe defects that will not allow the “baby” to survive beyond birth. In any case, the persons responsible must first consult with their church leader and receive God’s approval in prayer
This same Handbook, the official policies of the Mormon church to be followed by all local church leaders throughout the world, also claims: “It is a fact that a child has life before birth. However, there is no direct revelation on when the spirit enters the body”
Previous teachings by former Mormon prophets referred to the unborn child as “a child,” “a baby,” a “human being,” and decried abortion as “killing,” “a grievous sin,” “a damnable practice.” Spencer W. Kimball, the prophet who died in 1985, taught, “We have repeatedly affirmed the position of the church in unalterably opposing all abortions” (Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, 189).
It appears that this “unalterable” position, constantly “affirmed,” is just another in a series of doctrinal and moral teachings that Mormons have reworded, reworked, rescinded, or reneged—though never officially renounced. Such is the quality of the Mormon belief in “continuing revelation.” Don’t expect dogmatic or ethical consistency. Rather, look for expediency and conformity with “the times.”
A further statement in the Handbook says: “The church has not favored or opposed legislative proposals or public demonstrations concerning abortion (156).” While the Mormon prophet claims to speak the mind and will of God, he can neither figure out when the unborn child becomes human or if it is God’s desire that we protect the unborn unconditionally.
If it upsets you that the Catholics have joined forces with the Mormons on certain social issues, please explain why. Otherwise, your efforts to hijack the thread aren’t appreciated.
CUH - you may say that on a Caucus thread, but this is an OPEN thread. If confused you may need to re-read the RM’s policy statement
Cardinal George praised the Mormons for their work with Catholics to protect the conscience rights of health care providers and institutions that do not want to participate in abortion or assisted suicide and to defend marriage as the union of a man and a woman.
"When the government fails to protect the consciences of its citizens, it falls to religious bodies to defend them," he said.
True religious freedom means not just freedom to worship or "individual conscience rights as long as you don't make anyone unhappy," but the right to "influence the public square," he added.
The cardinal said Catholics and Mormons shared not only a common understanding of religious freedom, but the common experience of growing from a small, sometimes persecuted religious minority to larger communities of 67 million U.S. Catholics and about 6 million U.S. Mormons today.
"Both our communities have prospered in a nation that respects religious freedom and recognizes that government should never stand between its citizens and almighty God," he said.
Catholics and Mormons also have stood side by side in efforts against "the degradations associated with pornography" and in promoting "respect for the lives of those waiting to be born and respect for marriage," he added.
http://www.thebostonpilot.com/article.asp?ID=11512
If Cardinal George's statements upset you regarding the efforts of Catholics and Mormons to work together on social issues, please explain why. Otherwise, I would appreciate your not hijacking the thread.
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