Posted on 03/02/2010 7:59:21 AM PST by Gamecock
You must understand that I was simply offering the definition, not agreeing with it. I am a dispensationalist, myself.
The game the Amillennialists play is to point out the errors of Dispensationalism, and then present their doctrine as the only alternative. Never mentioning there is another view that is not Dispensational - Historic Premillennialism. They want prospective converts to be kept in the dark about it.
You must not be looking the same places I'm looking. I see plenty of engagement with postmils and historic premils. Dispensationalism gets most of the visible response because that's where all the shouting and heated rhetoric is coming from.
Postmill? Above My Pay Grade reflects my sentiments when he said:
“Post-millennialism is pure nonsense. Amillennialism is slightly less ridiculous, but still clearly wrong.”
I mentioned Dispensationalism as not being “historic,” well, neither is Postmill. I find no evidence whatsoever in the early writings of anybody who believed such nonsense.
One would expect, considering the proximity of the early writers to the Apostles and the church of the first century, to find evidence of what they believed on eschatological issues carried over into the next century. We have lots of evidence.
Writers like Irenaeus and Tertullian even went so far as to claim their beliefs were passed from the Apostles to those of their time. Their eschatological beliefs were what theologians call today Futurism, Posttribulationism, and Premillennialism.
***I’m sure we’ll all find out eventually. Until then, I don’t see the need to get into arguements over it.***
I think it is important to read through all of this.
What will happen may surprise most of us, but we should be watching and waiting.
Haven’t seen any real arguments during this series. I think folks have been very tolerant of other views.
Clarification:
One would expect, considering the proximity of the early writers to the Apostles and the church of the first century, to find evidence of what they (the Apostles and church of the first century) believed on eschatological issues carried over into the next century. We have lots of evidence.
#102 When is 1000 years more or less then 1000 years?
No arguemnt here
chesley, disregard #12
Hmmm...what's with the #102? Is that some sort of question book?
In answer: when the term used is thousands, not thousand, i.e., plural instead of singular, an adjective instead of a noun. In Revelations 20 one will not find the number of years being spoken about, just that it is thousands.
I don’t think the “thousand years does not really mean a thousand years” argument holds up so well if you test it against other numbers in the Revelation. Seven, for instance, are we to believe the seven seals, trumpets, bowls, and all the other places we see the number seven in the Revelation, doesn’t really mean seven? It can also mean 70, or 700 trumpets? etc? The three and one half years (42 months, 1,260 days) of tribulation doesn’t really mean 3 1/2 years?
You got a point?
No Sir, It (the Holy Bible) reads a thousand years. I call that 10 centuries, you call it anything othter than 1000 years.
(a= indefinate article, meaning any 1000 year time span, but no more or no less than 1000 years)
(thousand= singular, meaning no more or no less than 10 centuries)
Your welcome.
Tom
chesley said: You got a point?
fatboy said: Disregard this. I’m sorry I didn’t read your entire post before responding.
Where did you get that definition? I got mine from what was found in old manuscripts of the book of Revelations. The term is "chilias" - a plural, and the adjective, "chilioi" - which is also plural. The term for 1,000 is chilia, period. Check our Strong's Concordance with the Greek dictionary attached.
OK, no problem.
But where are these numbers (#101) coming from? I went to the referenced site, and the essays were not numbered, and there sure weren’t 101 of them visible.
Ken, you are applying greek grammar to english words.
I’m looking at the English. Take your English Bible, Rev 20 and diagram it.
Not for a lack of greek dictionaries, lexicons, word studies and commentaries in my home library, but I just find it more convenient to read English translations.
chesley,
If you go to the web site that the OP quotes from, there are a whole bunch of theology FAQs and they are numbered. So I just added to the number starting at 101.
Small joke, very small.
Where did you study greek where they used the dictionary in strongs concordance to determine grammar?
Agree. Our Father is like our own parent - takes care of His own and out of the way of any harm. Unless one truly knows The Father through a personal relationship, it would be hard for them to conceive of HIS GOODNESS and FAITHFULNESS.
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