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Please leave your confession after the beep:Fury of French bishops -phoneline for sinning Catholics
The Daily Mail (U.K.) / Various ^ | March 2, 2010 | Ian Sparks

Posted on 03/02/2010 10:01:50 AM PST by Stoat

A 'pay-to-confess' telephone hotline for Catholics too busy to go to church has been condemned as 'utterly unacceptable' by bishops in France.

The service - called the Phoneline to the Lord - charges users 30p a minute to confess their sins to an automated answering machine.

When the number is called, a soothing male voice says: 'For advice on confessing, press one. To confess, press two. To listen to some confessions, press three.'  

But with soft organ music playing in the background, the voice warns: 'In case of serious or mortal sins - that is, sins that have cut you off from Christ our Lord - it is essential to confide in a priest.'  

The hotline was set up at the beginning of the Christian fasting period of Lent by Paris-based telephone messaging service AABAS.

Its creator told French news agency AFP she could only give her first name as Camille as she had already received threats about the service from irate Catholics.

She said: 'The idea is to confess sins which are not capital sins, but minor sins, directly to God.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: catholic; confession; france; napl; phoneline
Also :

French church criticises 'confession' phone line

French bishops seek to disconnect the Line of the Lord

 

 

1 posted on 03/02/2010 10:01:50 AM PST by Stoat
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To: Stoat

Wow! Now that is taking Capitalism WAY too far. As a Catholic, I am saddened by this, but as a business, it is incredible. Some things are too sarcred to tough no matter how inventive it is.


2 posted on 03/02/2010 10:03:36 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

tough = touch

Dang spelling...


3 posted on 03/02/2010 10:04:17 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: NYer; monkapotamus

NYER you won’t believe this


4 posted on 03/02/2010 10:05:10 AM PST by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: Stoat
Its creator told French news agency AFP she

Figures.

There are many theological arguments against female priests ... I have always found that the best practical argument against ordaining women is found in the character of the women clamouring for ordination.

5 posted on 03/02/2010 10:08:02 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer; Coleus; narses; Salvation; Pyro7480; Slings and Arrows
confession
6 posted on 03/02/2010 10:10:21 AM PST by Stoat (Sarah Palin 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
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To: ArrogantBustard
"I have always found that the best practical argument against ordaining women is found in the character of the women clamouring for ordination."

You have hit the proverbial nail on the head. Couldn't have said it better myself.

7 posted on 03/02/2010 10:25:54 AM PST by davisfh ( Islam is a very serious mental and social illness)
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To: Stoat; netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; ...

Ping!


8 posted on 03/02/2010 10:27:30 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: SevenofNine
NYER you won’t believe this

By now I would believe anything. Thanks for the ping!

9 posted on 03/02/2010 10:28:49 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer

Are we that narrcist as society that we don’t have time go to church anymore

At my local Cathoic church we have services from 7am to 12:30pm on different time then SPanish speaking mass they have twice at 8am and 12:30pm

We have 5pm mass and Vietnamee mass at 6:30 on Saturday


10 posted on 03/02/2010 10:38:13 AM PST by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: Stoat

And for the really busy sinner, an automated call in confession to the automatic listener. “Have your machine call my machine” kind of thing.


11 posted on 03/02/2010 10:47:26 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: SevenofNine
You are most blessed to have such a parish and, more importantly, a strong faith. That is a gift from God!

Recall that Pope Benedict XVI has cautioned everyone about the growth of secularism and the growing trend towards moral relativism (anything goes). Much of Europe has already caved. We need to pray for them, especially now during Lent.

12 posted on 03/02/2010 10:47:41 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Stoat

I like the part about dialing to listen to somebody else’s sin. Inquiring minds want to know...

And of course you can call back to confess that you’ve been listening to stuff that is none of your business.


13 posted on 03/02/2010 10:53:07 AM PST by married21
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To: Stoat; SevenofNine

"Bless me Father, for I have sinned .... "

All pardon for sins ultimately comes from Christ’s finished work on Calvary, but how is this pardon received by individuals? Did Christ leave us any means within the Church to take away sin? The Bible says he gave us two means.

Baptism was given to take away the sin inherited from Adam (original sin) and any sins we personally committed before baptism—sins we personally commit are called actual sins, because they come from our own acts.

For sins committed after baptism, a different sacrament is needed. It has been called penance, confession, and reconciliation, each word emphasizing one of its.aspects. During his life, Christ forgave sins, as in the case of the woman caught in adultery (John 8:1–11) and the woman who anointed his feet (Luke 7:48). He exercised this power in his human capacity as the Messiah or Son of man, telling us, "the Son of man has authority on earth to forgive sins" (Matt. 9:6), which is why the Gospel writer himself explains that God "had given such authority to men" (Matt. 9:8).

Since he would not always be with the Church visibly, Christ gave this power to other men so the Church, which is the continuation of his presence throughout time (Matt. 28:20), would be able to offer forgiveness to future generations. He gave his power to the apostles, and it was a power that could be passed on to their successors and agents, since the apostles wouldn’t always be on earth either, but people would still be sinning.

God had sent Jesus to forgive sins, but after his resurrection Jesus told the apostles, "‘As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.’ And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained’" (John 20:21–23). (This is one of only two times we are told that God breathed on man, the other being in Genesis 2:7, when he made man a living soul. It emphasizes how important the establishment of the sacrament of penance was.)

14 posted on 03/02/2010 10:53:16 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: married21

I can’t imagine confessing my sins to an answering machine, particularly since the tape could end up anywhere.


15 posted on 03/02/2010 11:01:54 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer

THe Church I go to offer this including my childhood Cathoic church that few miles away I am attending from

My childhood Cathoic church has same services and same outreach program during the 1970 to help Cathoic Vietname community back in da day


16 posted on 03/02/2010 11:12:51 AM PST by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: Stoat

This photo brings to mind a scene from the movie, “The End” starring Burt Reynolds, Sally Field, Dom Deluise and Robby Benson. Reynolds is making a confession to a priest (Robby Benson) and poses the question, “Is whacking off still a sin, Father.” “Ah yes,” replies Benson. “That’s my big sin.”


17 posted on 03/02/2010 11:14:52 AM PST by davisfh ( Islam is a very serious mental and social illness)
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To: Stoat; MeekOneGOP; Conspiracy Guy; DocRock; King Prout; Darksheare; OSHA; martin_fierro; ...
Pfft. You can get a note placed in the Wailing Wall via the Web, for free.


18 posted on 03/02/2010 11:48:22 AM PST by Slings and Arrows ("Jim Robinson is the onle person that sweets proper nut sweet. leave the man alone."--Sarah-bot)
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To: Stoat
She said: 'The idea is to confess sins which are not capital sins, but minor sins, directly to God.

She's a grifter. Any Catholic worth their salt knows that venial sins do not have to be confessed, although it is recommended, and are indeed forgiven during the Penitential Rite during Mass.

19 posted on 03/02/2010 12:04:33 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: trisham; All
I can't for the life of me think why nobody's posted this yet:

Automatic Confession

20 posted on 03/02/2010 12:53:29 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

LOLOLOLOLOL!


21 posted on 03/02/2010 1:23:25 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Stoat; Slings and Arrows; AnAmericanMother

"Forgive me, father, for I have sinned. I'm a sexual compulsive. By the way, what're you wearing?"

22 posted on 03/02/2010 2:33:14 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: SevenofNine
My childhood Cathoic church has same services and same outreach program during the 1970 to help Cathoic Vietname community back in da day

Awesome! I still vividly recall Operation Babylift from Vietnam, back in 1975.

At the time, I worked for Air France and desperately wanted to join them in this rescue.

23 posted on 03/02/2010 3:42:08 PM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Any Catholic worth their salt knows that venial sins do not have to be confessed

Tell me, is there a list somewhere that spells out what is considered venial vs. mortal sin?

24 posted on 03/02/2010 4:20:53 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: boatbums
Generally, for a sin to be mortal requires three things:

1. Serious Matter

2. Sufficient Reflection

3. Full Consent of the Will

More detail here. Just search for "examination of conscience" and mortal and venial, and you'll find numerous discussions.

25 posted on 03/02/2010 5:27:53 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: boatbums
IV. The Gravity of Sin: Mortal and Venial Sin
26 posted on 03/02/2010 8:21:52 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham; AnAmericanMother
Thank you both for your replies. I tend to see sin like Jesus did. It is more important that the spirit of the law rather than the letter of the law be obeyed. I see no need to call some sins venial and some mortal, because according to God's word all sin is mortal to God. Sin is what separates us from God both regarding eternal life - because he is all holy and cannot even look upon sin - and regarding our day-to-day fellowship with him. As a Christian, the debt of all my sins was paid for by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross. He paid the eternal penalty for my sin and God offers me salvation as a gift because of his amazing grace.

After I was born again into his family by faith, I began my walk with him. When I sin, either in word, deed, or thought, I put up a wall between us and because of my shame, I lose fellowship with him (never my eternal security - since it was never based upon my being sinless (as if) in the first place). He promises, though, that when I confess my sin (name it like he names it - no quibbling), he is faithful and just to forgive my sin and to cleanse me from all unrighteousness. My fellowship with him can be restored, and this is something he desires and grieves when it's lost.

This by no means is saying God winks at sin and I can just live as I please. Far from it. Besides the obvious physical consequences that can happen from sin, God is now my heavenly father, and he is a loving but strict parent. He won't let his kids get away with wrong. He disciplines just like a good father does, and the purpose is our own happiness and joy. He knows when we stray from him, we get hurt and he loves us too much to let us do that. Praise his name!

27 posted on 03/02/2010 9:19:35 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: boatbums
(never my eternal security - since it was never based upon my being sinless (as if) in the first place).

"Wherefore he that thinketh himself to stand, let him take heed lest he fall." 1 Corinthians 10:12

"Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but much more now in my absence,) with fear and trembling work out your salvation." Philippians 2:12

Better do some more research into that man made once saved, always saved program you've bought into.

28 posted on 03/02/2010 9:52:26 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Stoat

Unbelievable!


29 posted on 03/03/2010 3:24:06 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: Slings and Arrows

That I heard.


30 posted on 03/03/2010 3:29:46 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: Stoat
She said: 'The idea is to confess sins which are not capital sins, but minor sins, directly to God.

If that's the idea, why does anyone need her service? Save the 30p and go to a Church.

Thank goodness the French bishops are looking to disconnect their service.

31 posted on 03/03/2010 5:42:48 PM PST by fortunecookie (Please pray for Anna, age 7, who waits for a new kidney.)
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