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Notre Dame Fails Again
cmr ^ | March 3, 2010 | matthew archbold

Posted on 03/03/2010 10:43:39 AM PST by NYer

This is bad news for those who have hope for Notre Dame University. Dr. Charles Rice has been writing a column for the Notre Dame Observer for many years. But this week, the editors refused to run his column on the Church's teaching on homosexuality. Joe from Defend Us In Battle writes:

Notre Dame... fails again.

This is hitting just now in a few well respected Catholic News outlets:

Dr. Charles Rice (Notre Dame Law School - Bio) recently wrote a column/piece for the Notre Dame Observer, as he does every few weeks. The topic this week is: The Church's Teaching On Homosexuality. Only... this week they didn't print it.

Here is the article: Dr. Rice's - "Right or Wrong?" Column: March 1, 2010 - Homosexuality.

The Editor of the Observer didn't print it for a variety of reasons...or so they say. None of the listed reasons was legitimate.
You've got to read the editor's letter and Dr. Rice's response. It's a great response to a very sad situation. Click here to read it.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: catholic; education; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; ndu; notredame; rice

1 posted on 03/03/2010 10:43:39 AM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...

In so doing, the school is only hurting themselves.


2 posted on 03/03/2010 10:44:32 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer

If this kind of thing continues, the Church must take action.


3 posted on 03/03/2010 10:47:59 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer

Our Lady weeps...


4 posted on 03/03/2010 10:48:54 AM PST by Antoninus (It's a degenerate society where dogs have more legal rights than unborn babies.)
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To: NYer

This is terrible. Dr. Charles Rice is a great man: Marine, law professsor, Catholic.

I’ll never forget the time he came into my high school class room in South Bend and proved the existence of God by reason and logic.

Notre Dame should be naming buildings after this guy - not censoring him.


5 posted on 03/03/2010 10:54:49 AM PST by bagadonutz
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To: Antoninus
. . . well, she is certainly weeping with Christ in her arms in Michelangelo's pieta in the pope's very own basilica. Oops! The Michelangelo feller was a little light in the sandals, wasn't he?
6 posted on 03/03/2010 10:56:58 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: NYer

Dr. Rice’s response:

From: Charles Rice
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:04 PM
To: Matthew Gamber
Subject: Rice Column on Catholic Teaching on Homosexuality

Dear Mr. Gamber:

Thank you for your email informing me that my column presenting the teachings of the Church on homosexuality will not be published. Since 1992, I have been privileged to publish every two weeks a column, entitled “Right or Wrong,” in the Observer. I emphasize my appreciation for the unfailing professionalism and courtesy of the Observer editors with whom I have had contact over those years.

You mention the column “far exceeded our word limit guidelines.” It is in fact significantly shorter than each of the three previous columns published this semester in the Observer. I was not asked to shorten any of them. The rejected column accurately presented relevant teachings of the Catholic Church on homosexuality. I understand why you are concerned over the content of the column. You further propose that if I examine the topic of homosexuality in the future, “we thought it might be beneficial to do so in a point-counterpoint format, perhaps with an author of an opposing or differing viewpoint. That way, each ‘side,’ so to speak, would have the opportunity to present relevant facts, evidence and analysis to define its position.”

In a university that claims to be Catholic, I am not willing to restrict my presentation of Catholic teaching to a format that treats the authoritative teaching of the Church as merely one viewpoint or “side” among many. If you require that future columns of mine on homosexuality comply with a format such as you propose, it will be inappropriate for me to continue writing the column for the Observer.

Sincerely,

Charles E. Rice
Professor Emeritus
Notre Dame Law School


7 posted on 03/03/2010 10:59:43 AM PST by bagadonutz
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To: MrChips

Yes, he was. But he confessed regularly, and prayed, and was a faithful Catholic. He didn’t run around spouting pro-sodomy agitprop.


8 posted on 03/03/2010 11:09:00 AM PST by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: Arthur McGowan

He wrote poetry and letters to “friends.” You have no idea how “faithful” he was or was not. Personally, I don’t care what he did on Saturday nights between the carving the pieta and painting the sistine chapel. Nor should the Church to which he gave them. And you know, in Renaissance Florence, I don’t think the Church did care, at least not very much. It was a little more broad-minded.


9 posted on 03/03/2010 11:19:44 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips

He lived to be 90+. I would expect that he found time to repent.


10 posted on 03/03/2010 11:22:13 AM PST by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: Arthur McGowan

And you “would expect” that he felt he had the need to? Some of those poems and letters, personal expressions of love, are exquisitely beautiful. I try not to make windows into other men’s souls, especially men who are dead. I just agree or disagree, and in the latter case, I tolerate, and appreciate them for who there were.


11 posted on 03/03/2010 11:28:54 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: NYer

Congrats to Mr Rice for standing up to the editor.

Sad to see another institution turning away from Christ to adopt secularism.


12 posted on 03/03/2010 11:43:58 AM PST by TheStickman
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To: MrChips

Of course he would feel the need to repent. He wasn’t an illiterate Catholic of the so-called 20th Century.


13 posted on 03/03/2010 12:03:57 PM PST by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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Hateful. Every Catholic and every Notre Dame alumnus should know this.

14 posted on 03/03/2010 12:30:42 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: MrChips
The Michelangelo feller was a little light in the sandals, wasn't he?

Total non-sequitur. And way to slander the dead, btw. Be happy if men don't tag you with a bizarre sexual fetish after you die.

At the end of the day, none of Michalangelo's sexual practices matter a hill of beans. The man's soul is either in Heaven or hell. I pray he received the grace of final repentance.
15 posted on 03/03/2010 1:04:53 PM PST by Antoninus (It's a degenerate society where dogs have more legal rights than unborn babies.)
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To: MrChips
Some of those poems and letters, personal expressions of love, are exquisitely beautiful.

Yes? And did any of them mention sodomy explicitly, by chance?

I try not to make windows into other men’s souls, especially men who are dead.

Uh, you just did that. You basically tagged him with a vice that his soul is, no doubt, deeply ashamed of now.

Pray for him, in case he's still in Purgatory. I just did.
16 posted on 03/03/2010 1:09:45 PM PST by Antoninus (It's a degenerate society where dogs have more legal rights than unborn babies.)
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To: Antoninus

Thank you. It really annoys me to see people slandering someone just because they can.


17 posted on 03/03/2010 2:56:20 PM PST by BenKenobi (And into this Ring he poured his cruelty, his malice and his will to dominate all life.)
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To: Arthur McGowan; MrChips
. . . well, she is certainly weeping with Christ in her arms in Michelangelo's pieta in the pope's very own basilica. Oops! The Michelangelo feller was a little light in the sandals, wasn't he?

I believe this statement to be incorrect. There is no proof that Michelangelo was Gay, there is loads of evidence that he was a devout Catholic. Finishing St Peter's Basilica for free is one case.

18 posted on 03/03/2010 3:23:34 PM PST by Bayard
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To: Bayard

There’s plenty of evidence. But my point is greater than that: why should it matter? Few of us can ever hope to bring as much glory to God as did he.


19 posted on 03/04/2010 10:50:28 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: Antoninus
none of Michalangelo's sexual practices matter a hill of beans

My point exactly. Sorry if I put it awkwardly.

20 posted on 03/04/2010 10:52:30 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips
“Why should it matter”?
Who lives out that faith? Who are those who constitute faithful examples of Christ?

There are very good reasons for proclaiming saints, if there were none, then we wouldn’t have a Church, let alone a single saint.

There is “no Glory to God” if Jesus never changed anyone’s life, this is the reality of his mission. A death and resurrection which reached no one is meaningless.

Because we have examples of personal faith, we can say that there is something concrete about that faith.

21 posted on 03/04/2010 12:35:43 PM PST by Bayard
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To: Bayard

I have no idea what you are saying.


22 posted on 03/04/2010 1:16:17 PM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: Bayard

That is honestly as well as I’ve heard it put - thank you, that was most inspiring.


23 posted on 03/04/2010 1:30:04 PM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: bagadonutz; NYer; Markos33; Salamander; Slings and Arrows
From Dr. Rice's response:

"You further propose that if I examine the topic of homosexuality in the future, “we thought it might be beneficial to do so in a point-counterpoint format, perhaps with an author of an opposing or differing viewpoint. That way, each ‘side,’ so to speak, would have the opportunity to present relevant facts, evidence and analysis to define its position.”"

Open question to The Observer:

Are you going to apply the same standard to all other issues of sin addressed in your publication?

Should a commentator who sddresses the ramifications of murder be "counterpointed" with the opinions of a psychopath who took pleasure in his victim's suffering?

Or perhaps the viewpoint of a serial molester could be juxtaposed against the crime of pedophilia? (And of course, we can easily find a few Muslim goat rapers to enlighten us on the joys of bestiality.)

Kudos Dr. Rice. But for your stand on this wedge issue, the other examples I mentioned would not be hyperbole for long.
24 posted on 03/04/2010 1:34:47 PM PST by shibumi ("..... then we will fight in the shade.")
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To: NYer

BTT


25 posted on 03/04/2010 7:48:15 PM PST by marine86297 (I'll never forgive Clinton for Somalia, my blood is on his hands)
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To: NYer
In so doing, the school is only hurting themselves.

Yes, true, themselves. And no doubt some of their students, too. Seems they are getting mileage out of calling themselves Catholic, but are CINO at best.

26 posted on 03/06/2010 5:51:03 PM PST by fortunecookie (Please pray for Anna, age 7, who waits for a new kidney.)
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To: bagadonutz
I’ll never forget the time he came into my high school class room in South Bend and proved the existence of God by reason and logic.

Wow. You were very fortunate, some of us were sitting through (or walking out of) high school and college classes that were drivel, even heretical (yes, Catholic institutions). What a privilege that must have been.

27 posted on 03/06/2010 5:54:35 PM PST by fortunecookie (Please pray for Anna, age 7, who waits for a new kidney.)
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To: bagadonutz

I too had the honor of meeting Dr. rice he is truly a great man


28 posted on 03/06/2010 6:03:18 PM PST by hoosierboy (I am not a gun nut, I am a firearm enthusiast!!!)
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To: NYer

Prayers for the Holy Spirit to work and bring that great university back to its origins.


29 posted on 03/06/2010 6:04:55 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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