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Responding to the Pope’s Anglican Invitation (priest relates journey from Pentecostalism)
NC Register ^ | March 6, 2010 | TIM DRAKE

Posted on 03/06/2010 3:02:21 PM PST by NYer

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Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori takes the primatial staff from outgoing Bishop Frank Griswold at her investiture as the presiding bishop of the Episcopal Church at the National Cathedral in Washington Nov. 4. The ordination of women as priests and bishops is one reason some Anglicans are leaving the church — and seeking membership in the Catholic Church.

This past week, the U.S. branch of the Traditional Anglican Communion formally requested entry into the Catholic Church. They did so under the terms of the apostolic constitution Anglicanorum Coetibus , issued last fall by Pope Benedict XVI.

Father Douglas Grandon is a former Anglican priest who became a Catholic in 2003 and was ordained a priest for the Diocese of Peoria, Ill. in 2008. His spiritual journey has taken him from Pentecostalism to evangelicalism to the Episcopal Church and finally to Catholicism.

He currently serves as associate pastor of Sacred Heart Catholic Church in Moline, Ill. He spoke with Register senior writer Tim Drake.

Where are you from originally and what is your faith background?

I’m from northern Illinois. I didn’t grow up in a Christian home. I first heard the Gospel at the age of 14 at a coffee shop that offered free donuts, coffee, pop and a little bit of folk guitar music. I heard the Gospel there and responded to it a few weeks later by attending the Pentecostal church of the fellow I met there. That’s where I was during my high school years.

Later, I joined the Evangelical Free Church, a Scandinavian breakaway church from the Lutheran Church. As I was being drawn toward Catholicism, but was a little too afraid of the Catholic Church, I spent several years in the Episcopal Church. It was there that I met the very fine Episcopal Bishop Edward McBurney.

What led you to become an Episcopal pastor?

As an evangelical, I was a missionary in the former Yugoslavia for five years. I started an Evangelical Free Church in Peoria and was pursuing a doctoral degree in historical theology. I was reading, very seriously, the Church Fathers, and going back before the Reformation I began to realize there was a huge gap in my understanding of the Church historically. I had studied the medieval Church and the Church Fathers as an evangelical, but when I began to read them more seriously, I took them more seriously. This caused me to understand that liturgy and the sacraments were an important part of the Church’s experience.

What kept you from the Catholic Church?

I had a lot of prejudice about the Catholic Church. As a high school kid, my Pentecostal church had drummed into me that the Catholic Church was anti-Christian, and that after the death of the apostles the Church went into darkness and only came out with the Reformation.

There were many things that I thought the Church believed, taught and practiced that I was wrong about. I had to kind of hold my nose when I became Episcopalian because the national Episcopal Church was in pretty much a mess, but the Diocese of Quincy, Ill. had a series of faithful bishops whom you could describe as evangelical and small “c” catholic. It was attractive to me and a safe place from which to explore more fully what it meant to be Catholic.

When did you first feel drawn to the Catholic Church?

Episcopal Bishop Ed McBurney gave me the book Evangelical Is Not Enough. That book really impacted me. It showed me that the Church was not purely evangelical as an institution. That’s what caused me to feel like I needed to make a move toward a Church with bishops, liturgy and sacraments.
As I was reading the Church Fathers, I saw the centrality of the Eucharist and the necessity of bishops if you’re going to be in a well-ordered Church.

When I went to England for a year of study and preparation for Anglican ordination, I imagined that the Church of England would come to the rescue of the wayward Episcopal Church and help those who wanted to be faithful to the Anglican tradition. There, I saw that they were as confused as we were and they were in no position to come and help us. There was no solution to this problem of lack of authority in the Anglican Communion.

What hurdles did you face?
There were theological and practical hurdles. Theologically, it looked like Catholics were giving worship to Mary. I didn’t understand the difference between veneration and worship. As an evangelical, I wasn’t comfortable with the whole sacramental system. The Anglicans helped me a lot with that. I also didn’t see the need for bishops. I was taught that every individual church was autonomous. I also had to get over purgatory and the role of the Pope.

Practically, becoming Catholic for me meant laying my ministry on the line. Ever since I was 15, I understood that I was called to ordained ministry. While that understanding developed over time, I was hesitant to lay that on the altar and never get it back.

What led you to seek ordination as a Catholic priest?

I remember meeting with our new Catholic Bishop in the Diocese of Peoria, Daniel Jenky, about a year before I came into the Church. He was very kind to meet with me. I told him during the course of the conversation that I was coming into the Church because I needed the Church; the Church didn’t need me. I wanted him to understand that, and that he didn’t owe me a job, or ministry, or priesthood. He told me that he was aware of the pastoral provision for former Anglicans and that he was very happy to sponsor me as a possible priest from the diocese.

When I came into the Church, I didn’t know what I was going to do. My wife’s income wasn’t enough for our family. I didn’t know, but I believed that God would take care of us.

About a month after I came into the Church, I was asked to be the chair of the religion department and the senior religion teacher at Assumption High School in Davenport, Iowa. In the spring of that academic year, Bishop Jenky asked me if I would become the director of the catechetical office for the diocese. I ended up doing that for about five years, and it was very instrumental in my spiritual growth. I came to know the good and bad points of catechesis in the Church and the crisis that we’re just coming out of.

After being in the Church for about a year, we began the formal process of putting together a dossier and working with the pastoral provision office. Seton Hall University prescribed a course of study, and a year later there was an examination. Thanks be to God, I went through that process and was approved. I always say that the one advantage I have over the celibate priests who didn’t go through the pastoral provision is that not one of them had to have their life, education, and experience examined by the Pope himself.

Would the apostolic constitution have made your journey into the Church any easier?

It would have made it easier, because one of the difficult things about leaving one ecclesial community for the Church is leaving friends and traditions. There are a lot of things that make life very pleasant wherever you serve as a pastor. I left wonderful friends behind. There’s a book about this wrenching experience written by Cardinal Newman and the others who left the Church of England in the 1840s, titled The Parting of Friends.

The constitution allows for the possibility of communities of Anglicans around the world to come into the Church together. That will be very, very helpful. I’m grateful for the graciousness of Pope Benedict XVI and the Vatican.

What do you find to be the most difficult part of being a Catholic priest?

To be a Christian, but particularly to be a priest, you have to be willing to climb on the cross every day, and stay there, and suffer. Service means some degree of suffering, but there is so much delight in all of that as well.

Life isn’t about being happy every day, which is distinct from being filled with joy. Our circumstances of life will not always bring maximum happiness. I can think of other things that I could be doing that would make me happier, but there is nothing that could bring greater joy than being obedient to Christ and suffering for his name.

The media has said that the Church is “rustling, poaching and sheep-stealing.” Do you see the constitution that way?

The London Times had a headline to the effect that the Vatican’s tanks were parked on the lawn of the Archbishop of Canterbury. From my years in the Church of England and the Catholic Church, the Catholic Church has been doing the opposite of conducting ‘raids’ on the Episcopal faithful and clergy. It’s been anything but an invasion or raid.

There have been negotiations going on for decades now. When the Episcopal Church decided to ordain women and women bishops, and then a practicing homosexual man as bishop, and to provide liturgies for homosexual “marriage,” this threw a bomb into the middle of those negotiations.

Since the time of Newman, a Catholic party has existed within the Church of England and the Anglican Communion. They have a historic memory that was revived by Cardinal Newman. They recognize that they are separate, yet they’ve maintained a strong commitment to the liturgy, the sacraments, and the historic understanding of the papacy. They’ve been making overture after overture either individually or corporately to try to find some way to re-enter the Catholic Church.

When it became clear that the Church of England was going to ordain women bishops, my friend Bishop Andrew Burnham realized that you could no longer say you were a “third branch” of the Catholic Church if you were so corrupting the potential line of apostolic authority being passed down. If women were ordaining priests, there was no way you could say that you were Catholic any longer, and so he began serious conversations with the Vatican.

In addition, all of the bishops of the Traditional Anglican Communion (TAC) signed the Catechism of the Catholic Church saying they would recognize the authority of the Pope. The TAC represents some 400,000 Anglicans worldwide.

Finally, Pope Benedict realized that it wasn’t enough to write a letter to express solidarity, but that he needed to send them a lifeline that would allow them to come in together, and what a lifeline it was. Bishop Burnham said, “We asked for a lifeboat, and they sent us a galleon. We should be free to get on it and not be quibbling about all of the conditions.”

The constitution will allow for the creation of personal ordinariates in which the new Catholics would be able to retain some of their cultural and liturgical elements. What would that include?

Through the pastoral provision, the Vatican has allowed some communities to use an Anglican-use liturgy, which is a slightly revised version of the beautiful liturgy that is used around the English-speaking world by Anglicans.

In addition, they could use their particular garb, which came out of the pre-Reformation English Church. There are also prayers that could be said that are part of the Anglican Book of Common Prayer, which would not be anathema to the Catholic faith.

There are different liturgical flairs that can be retained. It’s been said by those who have gone to these Anglican-use communities or Anglo-Catholic parishes, that there’s a certain beauty that’s been preserved in the Anglican approach to worship which you don’t always find in the post-Vatican II liturgy in the Catholic Church. They can retain anything that would not be inconsistent with the Catholic faith.

Under the constitution, Anglican priests who are already married may be ordained as Catholic priests, but a married Anglican bishop could not be ordained as a Catholic bishop, is that correct?

That’s right. This is part of the ancient Catholic tradition and Anglican tradition — to have married priests. The Eastern rite Catholic Churches have also allowed marriage [before ordination].

But there is no tradition for us to have married bishops. Early on in the Church’s history it was decided that our bishops had to be celibate.

Bishops will have to decide which is more important — their miter or being in full communion with the Catholic Church. For many, this will be an extremely difficult position, because there’s a lot that comes with the miter. It takes a great deal of humility. It’s like the camel that needs to fit through the eye of the needle — you have to take everything off its back to get it through there.

Pope Benedict and the Vatican have shown that they are willing to go the nth degree to accommodate a community like the Anglicans. This is a great example for the Orthodox as well, that we would not require too much of them.

How do you see the constitution impacting the Anglican Communion worldwide and the Episcopal Church in the United States?

The Episcopal Church will be only mildly impacted. Most of those clergy and bishops have already left who had any Catholic sense. In the U.S., the primary ones who will consider this would be the Anglo-Catholics.

In England, there will be a huge impact on the Church of England. It’s estimated that as many as a thousand Church of England Catholic-minded priests could come into the Church. There will be several bishops coming into the Church as well.

We ought not be discouraged that they don’t all come immediately. There will be a first wave of them, and the others will come in over time.


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1 posted on 03/06/2010 3:02:21 PM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...

Catholic / Anglican ping!


2 posted on 03/06/2010 3:03:02 PM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
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3 posted on 03/06/2010 3:06:29 PM PST by narses ("lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi")
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To: NYer

And so it begins. Pope Benedict has come to us at the turning of the tide.


4 posted on 03/06/2010 3:12:29 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

Nice allusion to a great Catholic book...The Lord of the Rings.


5 posted on 03/06/2010 3:49:59 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: NYer
Wow, That is amazing. A calling to the priesthood, is a huge sacrifice in worldly terms, for Catholic men and a supernatural blessing. A calling to His church by someone who was indoctrinated against the church since childhood, is a true miracle of the Holy Spirit.

The Angels and Saints are singing n heaven! Glory be to God.

6 posted on 03/06/2010 3:56:48 PM PST by mgist
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To: big'ol_freeper
"Nice allusion to a great Catholic book...The Lord of the Rings."

It is rare to see one so completely and unashamedly proclaim ones ignorance.

7 posted on 03/06/2010 4:06:28 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law
RE: It is rare to see one so completely and unashamedly proclaim ones ignorance.

Must suck to call someone ignorant and find you are the ignorant one. The good news for you is that today that ends.

To quote J.R.R. Tolkien: "[The Lord of the Rings is] a fundamentally religious and Catholic work."

Come back and chat when you abandon your ignorance.

Why Tolkien Says The Lord of the Rings Is Catholic

8 posted on 03/06/2010 4:19:20 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: big'ol_freeper
"Come back and chat when you abandon your ignorance."

Tolkein was a devout Catholic and Catholic themes greatly influence his works but the Lord of the Rings is NOT a Catholic work. Try to keep you with the class.

9 posted on 03/06/2010 4:30:51 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: big'ol_freeper
Nice allusion to a great Catholic book...The Lord of the Rings.

The Catholic influence is indisputable. There are elements of a Catholic morality play. "Despair is only for those who see the end beyond all doubt. We do not. It is wisdom to recognize necessity, when all other courses have been weighed, though as folly it may appear to those who cling to false hope. Well, let folly be our cloak, a veil before the eyes of the Enemy! For he is very wise, and weighs all things to a nicety in the scales of his malice. But the only measure that he knows is desire, desire for power; and so he judges all hearts." We wouldn't know of a theology like this, would we?

10 posted on 03/06/2010 4:31:11 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Natural Law

That would be news to Tolkien since he HIMSELF described the work at primarily a Catholic work. Wake up.


11 posted on 03/06/2010 4:32:14 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Natural Law
There are many elements of Catholic morality in these writings. Tolkein was, by the accounts that I have read, a good Catholic and a moral man. He reclaimed C.S. Lewis to Christianity.

"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair, and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."

"“Frodo: I wish the ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened. Gandalf: So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”"

12 posted on 03/06/2010 4:35:13 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; Natural Law

The bottom line is I was congratulating you on your reference to The Lord of the Rings with your description of Pope Benedict having “come to us at the turning of the tide.” A very dramatic “resurrection” moment in the book. Evidently that is cause enough to have one’s intelligence attacked.


13 posted on 03/06/2010 4:36:14 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Natural Law; big'ol_freeper

One of the things I liked most about The Lord of the Rings was its many Catholic elements. I know JRR Tolkein wrote in one of his letters that the lembas bread of the Elves was really based on the Eucharist.


14 posted on 03/06/2010 4:43:29 PM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998; Natural Law

Be careful. Saying that will cause you to be labeled an ignorant moron by some folks.


15 posted on 03/06/2010 4:45:45 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: big'ol_freeper; Natural Law

I’m certainly not looking for an argument with Natural Law - who I like and who is great Catholic brother here at FR. Then again, and this is JUST MY OPINION, I think that Screwtape Letters is a pretty Catholic book and that was written by a Protestant!


16 posted on 03/06/2010 4:50:56 PM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998

Great Catholic brothers don’t usually engage in character assassination.


17 posted on 03/06/2010 5:01:21 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: NYer

I heard a Roman Catholic apologist once with a similar story....going from one semi-pelagian (do-your-best-God-will-do-the-rest) form of Christianity to another. Pentecostal-E. Free-Episcopal-Roman, none of which really are actually “evangelical” by the way (in spite of the name “Evangelical Free” (it derives from the historic continental European use of “evangelical” which just means protestant), and certainly not reformed.

Anyway, for every “evangelical” to go to Rome, I reckon I could find 10 evangelicals who came from Rome.

Shalom!


18 posted on 03/06/2010 5:37:53 PM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: NYer

(sigh) I love stories like this. Thanks so much for posting, NYer. Makes me feel again that I’m not alone as I paddle across the Tiber.


19 posted on 03/06/2010 6:14:26 PM PST by ottbmare (I could agree wth you, but then we'd both be wrong.)
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To: AnalogReigns

Hey asshat, count me in as one of the evangelicals who swum the Tiber.

Folks like you make me ashamed I was ever a prot.


20 posted on 03/06/2010 7:06:26 PM PST by BenKenobi (And into this Ring he poured his cruelty, his malice and his will to dominate all life.)
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To: big'ol_freeper
The bottom line is I was congratulating you on your reference to The Lord of the Rings with your description of Pope Benedict having “come to us at the turning of the tide.” A very dramatic “resurrection” moment in the book.

And I thank you for it. I have in the past compared BXVI to the character of Gandalf. As bishop and cardinal, he laboured long and without thanks in the cause of good, then when the moment came, he stepped up and is leading the Church in the fight against evil, and in the restoration of the Church from the shambles of Vatican II evolution.

21 posted on 03/06/2010 7:07:49 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: NYer

No testimony of repentance/turning to Jesus...Not even a single mention of Jesus in the entire article...


22 posted on 03/06/2010 7:21:47 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: AnalogReigns
Anyway, for every “evangelical” to go to Rome, I reckon I could find 10 evangelicals who came from Rome.

Let's have the reckoning, if you please, with sources quoted.

23 posted on 03/06/2010 7:28:09 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: BenKenobi
Folks like you make me ashamed I was ever a prot.

I think that the interesting point of all this is that an accident of birth is just that. Adult decisions should be treated a whole lot different. If one does not decide to change his ways from childhood to adult, then that is no longer an accident of birth, but acquiescence by default.

24 posted on 03/06/2010 7:30:48 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Iscool
Not even a single mention of Jesus in the entire article...

Follow the link. And while you're at it, browse the Vatican.va website for an education in Christianity. The Church of Iscool (population one) seems a tad deficient in that area. We may even acquaint you with real Scripture.

25 posted on 03/06/2010 7:34:33 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: vladimir998
"I’m certainly not looking for an argument with Natural Law.."

I am not disputing the Catholic influence in Tolkein's works, but don't consider them to be Catholic literature or even overtly Catholic. Perhaps I hold to a higher standard.

26 posted on 03/06/2010 9:37:28 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law

Perhaps Tolkien wouldn’t consider anything you write to be overtly Catholic either.


27 posted on 03/06/2010 11:06:28 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
"Perhaps Tolkien wouldn’t consider anything you write to be overtly Catholic either."

That doesn't pass the so what test.

28 posted on 03/06/2010 11:13:34 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law

I think that I will take the author’s opinion over yours.


29 posted on 03/07/2010 11:08:35 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius
I don't dispute the catholic themes in Tolkein's or his admitted Catholic influences. My point is only that his stories are not overtly Catholic.
30 posted on 03/07/2010 12:24:01 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: MarkBsnr
Follow the link. And while you're at it, browse the Vatican.va website for an education in Christianity.

You mean if I search long enough, Jesus' name will pop up somewhere???

31 posted on 03/07/2010 1:06:48 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
You mean if I search long enough, Jesus' name will pop up somewhere???

Jesus seeks out all men. His Name is everywhere. Try the link and see for yourself.

32 posted on 03/07/2010 1:17:51 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: NYer

**To be a Christian, but particularly to be a priest, you have to be willing to climb on the cross every day, and stay there, and suffer. Service means some degree of suffering, but there is so much delight in all of that as well.**

This is one thing that the unchurched in the world don’t understand.

May God bless you abundantly, Father Douglas Grandon!


33 posted on 03/07/2010 4:48:57 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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